and there's people that considers Drupal an alternative to WP...

[harvey]

Some years since I used Drupal for the last time (and enjoying life without it) and now I had to convert Drupal to a decent CMS (as in WORDPRESS). So far so good, but, in the meanwhile, our client needs the former site to be alive in a new server. I have everything, so it should be a piece of cake, right?

WRONG!

Drupal continues to be a piece of crap and even installing it is a nightmare. I said to myself "well, I'm not too bright, let's find some help" and found out people posting comments are coders, programmers and system developers who can't even get the fucking default install to work.

Anyway, took me a couple days to find out WTF was going on... as opposed to the famous WP's 5mins install... and they are wondering why WP is rolling all over them

anyway, for those still thinking of trying it, take a look at this crap http://drupal.org/documentation/install/run-script

Anyway, lesson learned, next time I hear someone willing to use Drupal I will run away as fast as I can! /RANT

[porno jew]

i love Drupal.

[Horny Dude]

I tried Joomla for a project, but it was a resource hog. Plus I could never get it to look the way I liked.

[Zoxxa]

I code my projects from scratch with a framework, but I have used drupal for multiple projects and it is extremely easy to install and a very good option for advanced websites for people that struggle with database design concepts since drupal gives you a visual option.

You can also create excellent websites with wordpress if you understand custom templates and hooks.

I could probably go on for quite awhile about how ignorant you are of the concepts of drupal but it is a waste of my time. You are missing out and trust me, they won't miss you using their FREE cms.

[Zoxxa]

Btw, my post is not to insult you, it is to assure other webmasters reading your retarded thread that drupal is a good option and that in fact you are the difficult factor in your described situation.

[Aric]

Drupal is leaps and bounds ahead of Wordpress.

It's just not for everyone.

[Zoxxa]

Originally Posted by Horny Dude

I tried Joomla for a project, but it was a resource hog. Plus I could never get it to look the way I liked.

You can easily scale joomla, drupal, wordpress, etc...most of the issues generally arise from poor database design and indexes, not from the script itself. Also, not to be mean, but your lack of knowledge on how to customize the look and feel of joomla is your own fault, not the joomla developers. I am so tired of everyone ripping on these amazing free cms systems that majority of people don't have the issues you claim.

[Aric]

This post reeks of Wordpress fanboism, as much of your posts do.

If you can't figure out Drupal, move on. Seriously.

Real developers know: use the right tool for the job.

[harvey]

Originally Posted by Zoxxa

Btw, my post is not to insult you, it is to assure other webmasters reading your retarded thread that drupal is a good option and that in fact you are the difficult factor in your described situation.

yes, I noticed the intention you have to "not insult me". The fact is that even professional coders and developers are saying the same. But hey, not everybody is as smart as you, leave us humble little brains alone

Originally Posted by Aric

Drupal is leaps and bounds ahead of Wordpress.

And yet WP is used by the likes of The NEw York Times, Yahoo, CNET and even the fucking NASA. You know, those guys that are so smart that can fake a moon landing. Maybe with some time they will discover Drupal

[Aric]

Originally Posted by harvey

yes, I noticed the intention you have to "not insult me". The fact is that even professional coders and developers are saying the same. But hey, not everybody is as smart as you, leave us humble little brains alone



And yet WP is used by the likes of The NEw York Times, Yahoo, CNET and even the fucking NASA. You know, those guys that are so smart that can fake a moon landing. Maybe with some time they will discover Drupal

Yet, you can't figure Drupal out... and you're a Dev?

Whitehouse uses Drupal BTW.

I like both scripts -- I'm just not a fanboi of either.

[harvey]

Originally Posted by Aric

This post reeks of Wordpress fanboism, as much of your posts do.

If you can't figure out Drupal, move on. Seriously.

Real developers know: use the right tool for the job.

I assume you're very smart and cool, but reading isn't your forte

Originally Posted by harvey

Anyway, lesson learned, next time I hear someone willing to use Drupal I will run away as fast as I can! /RANT

No intentions to use that piece of crap again. Oh, btw, I don't see Pimproll using Drupal

[Failed]

It's just a learning curve. I remember going from frontpage to mambo and having my mind blown. Now, every cms seems like a piece of cake.

[Aric]

Originally Posted by harvey

I assume you're very smart and cool, but reading isn't your forte



No intentions to use that piece of crap again. Oh, btw, I don't see Pimproll using Drupal

What exactly does PimpRoll have to do with Wordpress OR Drupal? Seriously?

Does Facebook use a canned script? Google? How about Twitter? Go troll them.

We don't use NATS either.

[Failed]

I wonder if mambo is still around...I think I was using frontpage 97 when I tried it for the first time...hmm...I'm going to go look and reminisce.

[porno jew]

maybe try http://www.drupalfordummies.com/

hth.

[harvey]

Originally Posted by Aric

Yet, you can't figure Drupal out... and you're a Dev?

Whitehouse uses Drupal BTW.

I like both scripts -- I'm just not a fanboi of either.

fact: I figured it out
fact: I never called myself a dev (????????)
fact: you lack comprehension and reading skills when I compared Drupal retarded install with (please take a closer look, I'll do it big and bright):

WORDPRESS 5 MINUTES INSTALL

fact: I shown you how developers that call themselves "devs" are complaining about that crap
fact: that page has code to override newbie errors on Drupal core

the day you show me a FACT instead of your fanboism (never heard that word, so thank you for the lesson), maybe I'll learn something useful. In the meanwhile, unless you have something that shows the facts I mentioned are wrong, just avoid expressing your opinions. btw, you're taking this too seriously, did I hurt your feelings?

[Aric]

Anyone can learn Wordpress in a weekend.

Drupal may take a few more days.

Neither is better than the other -- best tool for the job. Both are GREAT scripts.

But then there's fanboi Harvey.

Form your own judgements.

[Aric]

Originally Posted by harvey

fact: I figured it out
fact: I never called myself a dev (????????)
fact: you lack comprehension and reading skills when I compared Drupal retarded install with (please take a closer look, I'll do it big and bright):

WORDPRESS 5 MINUTES INSTALL

fact: I shown you how developers that call themselves "devs" are complaining about that crap
fact: that page has code to override newbie errors on Drupal core

the day you show me a FACT instead of your fanboism (never heard that word, so thank you for the lesson), maybe I'll learn something useful. In the meanwhile, unless you have something that shows the facts I mentioned are wrong, just avoid expressing your opinions. btw, you're taking this too seriously, did I hurt your feelings?

Bottom Line: 75% of your posts promote Wordpress. Fanboi. Learn to develop in something other than WP.

[Aric]

Just for the record... I use Wordpress when it fits the job. I use Drupal when it fits the job.

According to Harvey, we should be using a canned open-sourced script for all of our PimpRoll/Porn.com needs -- just because.

Seriously.

Multi-million dollar sites using canned scripts. LOL

[harvey]

ha ha, don't cry, it's Saturday night, kinda sad you get so pissed with such an idiot issue. Really, grab a beer, grab a girl, see a movie, whatever. You calling names makes nothing on me but I can see you're getting a post on GFY way too deep. Seriously, chill out and have fun!

[Zoxxa]

Originally Posted by harvey

yes, I noticed the intention you have to "not insult me". The fact is that even professional coders and developers are saying the same. But hey, not everybody is as smart as you, leave us humble little brains alone

I was attempting to be some what polite, I am fucking leap years beyond what you will ever aspire to be. Your own personal conflicts and lack of dedication to learn a new tool such as I have done for almost all major cms systems is a mirror of your own negative limitations. Majority of these cms systems were built to be "all in one " solutions where a qualfied developer could modify their setup to accommodate their projects purpose. You obviously do not contain the simple skills to achieve these basic setups and it simply boils down that you can only blame yourself 100%. To be honest, anyone that truly knows what they are doing is neutral to all of these fanboy arguments and realizes how much of a fool you are. Btw, NASA's main programming language is Python idiot.

[Aric]

Originally Posted by harvey

ha ha, don't cry, it's Saturday night, kinda sad you get so pissed with such an idiot issue. Really, grab a beer, grab a girl, see a movie, whatever. You calling names makes nothing on me but I can see you're getting a post on GFY way too deep. Seriously, chill out and have fun!

Errr. I have 923 posts on GFY since 2002 -- I think I'll be alright.

I just don't get the blind Wordpress promotion. WP and Drupal are both GREAT scripts. Good devs know how to adapt either to the work involved.

Like I said before: Best tool for the job.

The rest is up to the developer.

That is my only point.

[Aric]

Originally Posted by Zoxxa

I was attempting to be some what polite, I am fucking leap years beyond what you will ever aspire to be. Your own personal conflicts and lack of dedication to learn a new tool such as I have done for almost all major cms systems is a mirror of your own negative limitations. Majority of these cms systems were built to be "all in one " solutions where a qualfied developer could modify their setup to accommodate their projects purpose. You obviously do not contain the simple skills to achieve these basic setups and it simply boils down that you can only blame yourself 100%. To be honest, anyone that truly knows what they are doing is neutral to all of these fanboy arguments and realizes how much of a fool you are. Btw, NASA's main programming language is Python idiot.

Right on man.

I still don't get why people focus on 1 tool and promote the fuck out of it and hate on others. I use whatever is best to get the job done (in my personal endeavors, professionally I hire the best "tools").

The best developers out there know their tools and don't favorite one over the other just "because" -- they adapt.

[fris]

the drupal backend really sucks

[Aric]

Originally Posted by fris

the drupal backend really sucks

Same could be said for any backend really.

I hate them all equally myself.

Custom is always the best.

[harvey]

Originally Posted by Zoxxa

I was attempting to be some what polite, I am fucking leap years beyond what you will ever aspire to be. Your own personal conflicts and lack of dedication to learn a new tool such as I have done for almost all major cms systems is a mirror of your own negative limitations. Majority of these cms systems were built to be "all in one " solutions where a qualfied developer could modify their setup to accommodate their projects purpose. You obviously do not contain the simple skills to achieve these basic setups and it simply boils down that you can only blame yourself 100%. To be honest, anyone that truly knows what they are doing is neutral to all of these fanboy arguments and realizes how much of a fool you are. Btw, NASA's main programming language is Python idiot.

no, please, I'm too sensitive, don't be mean to me... and I was thinking Python is a programming language and WP is a CMS used on certain parts of a network, my bad, now I know everything is the same

and like I say Aric, have fun, some day I'll try to be like you. Not even try to be like Zoxxa because... well, I can't even aspire to that.. to the point you're calling me a "developer", something I never knew I was nor I tried to... I'm too stupid to realize even the simplest things in life, you guys already know all about me!

[Aric]

Originally Posted by harvey

no, please, I'm too sensitive, don't be mean to me... and I was thinking Python is a programming language and WP is a CMS used on certain parts of a network, my bad, now I know everything is the same

and like I say Aric, have fun, some day I'll try to be like you. Not even try to be like Zoxxa because... well, I can't even aspire to that.. to the point you're calling me a "developer", something I never knew I was nor I tried to... I'm too stupid to realize even the simplest things in life, you guys already know all about me!

Look at my post count. I'm having fun.

You, or your opinion, mean nothing to me (not an insult, seriously, don't know who you are) -- I'm married, it's Saturday night, the Leafs won. Winning (perspective).

I love Wordpress. I love Drupal. I use what works best for the work involved.

In my professional life (PimpRoll, PORN.COM, TBA), it does not matter -- I hire the best programmers. Free software built for "whatever" can never do what high-level programmers can for a specific project/task.

Stay tuned for some new offerings from us.. game changers ;)

[Aric]

WTF?!

I announce we have high-level programmers working on some cool shit (not using Wordpress, Drupal, or any other bloated open source CMS) that will blow you away and you've got nothing??

Stay tuned...

[Klen]

Note:drupal is cms script,while worpress is blog script(which can be also be cms by using various plugins).But i personally dont like cms systems due their blotted code and having tons of features by default which are not needed.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by harvey

And yet WP is used by the likes of The NEw York Times, Yahoo, CNET and even the fucking NASA. You know, those guys that are so smart that can fake a moon landing. Maybe with some time they will discover Drupal

If that list is supposed to mean something, than this list probably means a little bit more.

Organizations using Drupal.

Forbes, Harvard and Cornell Universities, CNN, Ubuntu, The Whitehouse, BBC, Sun Microsystems, Novel, Fedex, Warner Brothers, Adobe, RackSpace, 20th Century Fox, Electronic Arts, Universal and Sony Music, Mattel, Nike, Novell, America Online, Fast Company, Greenpeace and the fucking UNITED NATIONS...and a lot more.

That said, my girl works at Cornell University and they are in the process of moving all sites from CommonSpot (coldfusion cms) to Drupal. It's not for the faint of heart, that much is for sure.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by Failed

I wonder if mambo is still around...I think I was using frontpage 97 when I tried it for the first time...hmm...I'm going to go look and reminisce.

Mambo Open Source is still around. At some point a while back, Mambo was the base for Joomla.

[porkbrothersdotnet]

I have used them both. Drupal gives you much more control than WordPress. If you believe that your site is one day going to go big time I would use Drupal. I?m not knocking WordPress, I was hooked on them for years and never wanted to try anything else. I still use them for my blogs. WordPress is easier to learn for novices than Drupal.

[Failed]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Mambo Open Source is still around. At some point a while back, Mambo was the base for Joomla.

I remember using mambo and then seeing a lot of drama on their forums about developers from mambo going over and either starting or joining the joomla project. This was some time ago, so I'm not exactly clear anymore on all the details. But, it seemed at that point, we all started using joomla.

[blazin]

Drupal is an extremely advanced CMS.. it's not the most efficient out the box but with a little know-how can get configured for very high performance.

[Matt 26z]

I code by hand in EditPlus (Notepad with pretty colors) and make my databases in PhpMyAdmin and modify them in super simple scripts made for each site.

Is there any advantage to me switching to WordPress, Joomla or Drupal?

[Phoenix]

make your own CMS..it is the only way

[fris]

Originally Posted by harvey

fact: I figured it out
fact: I never called myself a dev (????????)
fact: you lack comprehension and reading skills when I compared Drupal retarded install with (please take a closer look, I'll do it big and bright):

WORDPRESS 5 MINUTES INSTALL

fact: I shown you how developers that call themselves "devs" are complaining about that crap
fact: that page has code to override newbie errors on Drupal core

the day you show me a FACT instead of your fanboism (never heard that word, so thank you for the lesson), maybe I'll learn something useful. In the meanwhile, unless you have something that shows the facts I mentioned are wrong, just avoid expressing your opinions. btw, you're taking this too seriously, did I hurt your feelings?

[fris@fris ~]$ perl -le 'print pack(c5,(8**2+3**2),42-10,sqrt(3600),oct(63),(unpack(c, "&")-6)),pack(c9,(87,111,114,100,80,114,101,115,115))'
I <3 WordPress
[fris@fris ~]$

[Socks]

What exactly in the drupal install process had you this mad? It's used by hundreds of thousands of people. The install is easy.

It's not wordpress, get over it.

[candyflip]

From a server security standpoint, one is much more secure than the other.

Anyone who's had a hacked Wordpress install can probably tell you the answer.

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by harvey

Some years since I used Drupal for the last time (and enjoying life without it) and now I had to convert Drupal to a decent CMS (as in WORDPRESS). So far so good, but, in the meanwhile, our client needs the former site to be alive in a new server. I have everything, so it should be a piece of cake, right?

WRONG!

Drupal continues to be a piece of crap and even installing it is a nightmare. I said to myself "well, I'm not too bright, let's find some help" and found out people posting comments are coders, programmers and system developers who can't even get the fucking default install to work.

Anyway, took me a couple days to find out WTF was going on... as opposed to the famous WP's 5mins install... and they are wondering why WP is rolling all over them

anyway, for those still thinking of trying it, take a look at this crap http://drupal.org/documentation/install/run-script

Anyway, lesson learned, next time I hear someone willing to use Drupal I will run away as fast as I can! /RANT

Add x-cart to the list of shitty scripts - fuck i HATE that script