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Jel 10-31-2011 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18521957)
By solo girl, I mean a site with solo girls scenes

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18521957)
Think the message through, 1000 joins = $30,000 a month turn over. How much traffic? Top quality at 1-100 = 100,000 hits, do you know anyone with that much traffic? A spammer maybe, but with that many emails the internet would grind to a halt.

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All links are now working.

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How many of those join links were wrong?

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I guess what must really piss you off is I make more money than you. Keep whoring your sig.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18521957)
The Magic Join links was a clear pointer to the ignorance of so many. The site was being advertised for free on GFY for weeks. Because I made a mistake and saw that the flaming was bringing in sign ups. GFY is saturated with surfers. You know how fast you can change join links and I did not have to as the others worked.

Top, top work :thumbsup

jimmycooper 10-31-2011 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18526077)
It's a great example of the business skills of online porn. I doubt if it has got any better. Most are stuck in a rut and remain there. Yes the time to change on that level is gone. Still is illustrates that the people many regarded as gurus, weren't so bright. Weren't and aren't.

OK, fine. You win. I'll answer the question as it would just be too cruel to toy with you and hold out for much longer.

Yes, Paul, selling members area content offline is a great revenue stream. Hopefully Shap has been able to pry himself away from this stupid fucking thread, but if he's still inexplicably stuck here with the rest of us, maybe you should ask him about Twistys Members Only DVDs.

http://cdn.dvderotik.com/8/1/8155600...jpg?2010-11-04http://cdn.dvderotik.com/8/1/8155600...jpg?2011-01-21

http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/price_se...-(twistys).htm
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18526077)
I could of given a shit.

Does this mean that you actually take pride in being wrong?

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18526077)
Quoting Cherry illustrates your level of thinking. He's wrong on this point and stupidly shows it. Do you think the top glamor guys were not selling to advertising companies? That's what companies like "Picture Bank" were for. Illustrates a level of intelligence that good grammar won't hide.

What is Picture Bank? And what advertising companies? I worked at J. Walter Thompson before moving to Zenith focuse solely on media planning/negotiating. I also interned at DDB right here in your hood (Prague not Staines). Pretty good companies for someone with my low level of thinking, but admittedly not nearly as prestigious as Astralmotherfuckingblue.


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Stupid statement and you need to look at my work over the last 30 years to see how wrong it it. My craft wasn't photography, don't make the mistake of following Cherry down that route. One guy is everyone. :1orglaugh

One guy is not everyone but the reasoning for advising 'one guy' to not mention wedding photography services on his art and architectural photography website was because of the generally negative perception it would have amongst everyone. Or at least pretty much everyone except for you. Sorry if I confused you.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18526077)
"The skill of shooting people is your level of 'People Skills'.
The photography part is very easy compared with that."

- Paul Markham 10/30/2011

Yes getting a camera to work right is easy, knowing how to get a model to work right is much harder.

OK, i've never been on a set, so I just want to ask one question. You do what you do to set up the camera and get it to work right and you also set up the lighting and all the other technical things. The model gets there, you have a chat, show off your world class people skills, make her comfortable, try get a vibe going and what not, and just make sure that everything model related is set up to work right. My question is that after the camera is set up to work right and after the model appears as if she will work right, how do you make sure that the photographer's brain is working right? Or is that something that can be overlooked?

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18526077)
Jimmy think harder before you post.

Thank you. I will try.

Jel 10-31-2011 05:59 AM

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I would of

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I did not of

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You could of

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How could you of

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I would've liked to of

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She did of

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No way they would of

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I am an annoying cunt

:1orglaugh

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 10-31-2011 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18526142)

In porn there are lots of different levels of revenue. Limiting it to only one is costly.

Fatfoo? :error :helpme :upsidedow

ADG

jimmycooper 10-31-2011 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 18526347)
:1orglaugh

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IZH83BZECb...un_To_Head.jpg

Jel 10-31-2011 06:26 AM

Indeed, lol

Paul Markham 10-31-2011 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmycooper (Post 18526341)
OK, fine. You win. I'll answer the question as it would just be too cruel to toy with you and hold out for much longer.

Yes, Paul, selling members area content offline is a great revenue stream. Hopefully Shap has been able to pry himself away from this stupid fucking thread, but if he's still inexplicably stuck here with the rest of us, maybe you should ask him about Twistys Members Only DVDs.

http://cdn.dvderotik.com/8/1/8155600...jpg?2010-11-04http://cdn.dvderotik.com/8/1/8155600...jpg?2011-01-21

http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/price_se...-(twistys).htm
http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/price_se...-(twistys).htm

Seeing the Hardcore BG I saw different level of porn quality. So Shap sold a small part of his site on DVD. Did he sell the sets to magazines as well? Solo girl, that's where the money is. DVD is more for Hardcore. So how many other sites did the same. Or does just a few doing it mean the vast number who didn't missed out on a great opportunity.

Yes I know a few did go over to DVD, better late than never.

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What is Picture Bank? And what advertising companies? I worked at J. Walter Thompson before moving to Zenith focuse solely on media planning/negotiating. I also interned at DDB right here in your hood (Prague not Staines). Pretty good companies for someone with my low level of thinking, but admittedly not nearly as prestigious as Astralmotherfuckingblue.
If you worked in advertising you would know of this method of buying single pictures. Just a quick search.

http://www.picturebank.co.uk/

http://www.shutterstock.com/

Just different ways of monetising content. and this is how easy it is for people who own content to sell that content many times. Surprised someone who was in advertising didn't know of the brokers who were selling images.

http://www.photorama.nl/ even in porn it's a well know concept. And just how easy it was for people with good content to squeeze every dollar out of the content.

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OK, i've never been on a set, so I just want to ask one question. You do what you do to set up the camera and get it to work right and you also set up the lighting and all the other technical things. The model gets there, you have a chat, show off your world class people skills, make her comfortable, try get a vibe going and what not, and just make sure that everything model related is set up to work right. My question is that after the camera is set up to work right and after the model appears as if she will work right, how do you make sure that the photographer's brain is working right? Or is that something that can be overlooked?
With this level of understanding of what a good pornographer does. You shouldn't be questioning me. In fact with this level of "man management" I'm left confused why you would even open yourself up to my answer. Or maybe you were just being sarcastic.

Being a pornographer needs different skills, some more important than others. Unless your going to start working in the top end of the glamor market, the "Photography" skills are very basic.

Set the lights, cameras, sound etc or with todays cameras and many niches, point and shoot. What ever the level once learned little changes, except light and sound in some locations can present different problems that are often the same or similar ways. Still once learned, it's easy to repeat. Unless you work in a very high end, which isn't anyone here.

Then a knowledge of porn and the niche. Otherwise the end product is wrong. Much like mixing a cake, you have to know the recipe and get the ingredients right.

Now the toughest part. Managing models. People are different, we all respond to different motivations. Need handling a different way. To bring out the best in us or the required performance to ensure the scene is good.

Models are not always easy people to deal with, very few come to work with any thought of having lots of orgasms. In fact the opposite is more likely the case. And we need a convincing performance from a girl who can't act, doesn't want to real fuck and get "dirty". To look like she will fuck a stranger for the kick of it. And when she does, she's really getting into it. Even if it's solo girl, she needs to put over a performance that convinces people.

Now that takes skills. If you look at the scenes of mine that were put on Tubes and read the comments. You see how well I can do it. If it's so easy, why are the comments so positive? The idiots here who post the links thinking it shames me are idiots. They should read the comments and look at the votes. Then try to figure out what I'm doing that surfers like and they can't see.

Handling models is often what shooting people is all about. Getting them to reflect the mood you need, to come out of their shell, to now be too scared or shy, not try to dominate and do it their way, not go onto auto pilot and float through the work.

If you look at Cherry's scene of the girls bumping and grinding to some bland music. You see clearly his lack of skills to motivate models. I get the impression they really don't know what he's trying to achieve. What ever it, they look like they're going through the motions. What ever his camera skills are they're wasted when he shoots girls who don't have a clue what they're trying to do. If you look at a lot of porn, you see this over and over.

Look at Christine and see a girl who knows what she's doing.


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Thank you. I will try.
Yes please do.

porno jew 10-31-2011 08:07 AM

yes maybe if shap was a success in the magazines he could have retired at half your age without having to be a benefits leech ... oh wait ...

Jel 10-31-2011 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18526549)
yes maybe if shap was a success in the magazines he could have retired at half your age without having to be a benefits leech ... oh wait ...

Could of retired :thumbsup

VikingMan 10-31-2011 08:26 AM

Wow, almost 5,000 views to this thread already. Damian J is the master!!!!!

Let's disect this:

1. He trolled Paul Markham
2. Lured Shap out of retirement (not difficult when it consists of changing countless poopy diapers)
3. Used Manwin in the title

Now each one of these aspects are not difficult to do but to combine them into one thread title approaches brilliance.
I am in awe of you Damian J http://www.myemoticons.com/images/em...before-you.gif

DamianJ 10-31-2011 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ******* (Post 18526574)
Wow, almost 5,000 views to this thread already. Damian J is the master!!!!!

Let's disect this:

1. He trolled Paul Markham
2. Lured Shap out of retirement (not difficult when it consists of changing countless poopy diapers)
3. Used Manwin in the title

Now each one of these aspects are not difficult to do but to combine them into one thread title approaches brilliance.
I am in awe of you Damian J http://www.myemoticons.com/images/em...before-you.gif

Thanks. The key really was Paul lying. But he does that all the time, so it was something I could predict easily.

I give classes.

:D

Paul Markham 10-31-2011 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ******* (Post 18526574)
Wow, almost 5,000 views to this thread already. Damian J is the master!!!!!

Let's disect this:

1. He trolled Paul Markham
2. Lured Shap out of retirement (not difficult when it consists of changing countless poopy diapers)
3. Used Manwin in the title
4. Makes himself look stupid AGAIN.
5. Wastes time doing so when he needs to work, so he can pay the rent.
6. Dumb enough to to spot I was goading him into posting the thread. :1orglaugh
7. Gave me a little bit of trolling to do, to help pass the day between walking the dog, watching TV, cooking, reading, teaching my daughter English and maths.


Now each one of these aspects are not difficult to do but to combine them into one thread title approaches brilliance.
I am in awe of you Damian J http://www.myemoticons.com/images/em...before-you.gif

I filled in a few you missed.

Cherry7 10-31-2011 11:20 AM

Oh Fuck don't blow this....

Now everyone will want to jump on-board.

I was hoping no one else would notice Damian's ploy.

Paul Markham's comedy gold threads are great advertising.

The way he shows the most awful movies to contrast with our movies, could we pay for better?


I dread I'll get an invoice from Damian any day.

DamianJ 11-01-2011 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 18527179)
I dread I'll get an invoice from Damian any day.

It's OK, I do this as a public service.


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