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Everything is about the "Quality" of the product. If the samples, "Knock the guys socks off." It gets more clicks, it gets more conversions and it gets longer retention. Because. Producing that kind of content is hard and costs more. Because others pay more, the guys who can produce charge more. And that factor not only has a big effect on the surfer. It makes duplicating the site very tough. Giving the surfer more reason to sign up and more reason to stay. and that's why earnings on some companies galleries were better than others. Once you go the route so many did, with content that was easily copied. The surfer had so many options. It hurt all those with easily copied content and the solution for many was just more traffic. When you have a hole in your bucket, the solution isn't to pour more water in. It's to fix the hole. The problem is the repair kit to fix the bucket cost more than water, because water is free. :1orglaugh |
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You show me what you are in your posts. Your lack of knowledge about this business shows me you are ignorant. Your disrespect shows me WHY you are ignorant and why you are doomed to stay at your level the rest of your life. :) |
Paul is right I ran twistys into the ground and I'm very thankful for the life preserver Fabian threw me it saved me from drowning
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Paul I was a nobody when I started twistys. No bro status.
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And I'm telling you that between 1997 and 2007/2008 my "Babe" section got more traffic than any entire softcore site that you know of. And we made a few grand a month of off those sales. Compare that to what we made off of the "Hardcore", "Anal", "Big Tits", "Milf", and "Teen" category pages it wasn't even in the ballpark. It was more in the ballpark of our "Redhead", "Shemale", "Ass", and "Black" categories. |
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For example http://www.wehateporn.com/2010/07/15...he-first-time/ |
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As a professional content producer for 3 decades it was easy to spot where the content was letting down the site.QUOTE] You mean to say you took photographs for magazines. Magazine that not only were not interested in photography, but wanted the same boring bland photos over and over again. Magazines run by editors lacking in any visual skills. Photography that is now dated dull and uninteresting. You were never trained as a photographer. You have never read any books on photography. You have never won any awards as a photographer. And as a video maker you have no expertise at all, the recent scene you shot was a train wreck. You don't even know how editing programs work. Your scene would not even get you an interview to get into a film school. So why do you keep talking about other peoples work like you know something? Or only comment when people post "Is this photo suitable for publication in a jazz mag in 1985?" |
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want proof search for his idea on how he would make nat's tube sites a success he basically argued that the would mininova the site (use mininova failed go legit process) on the tube site. he not only thought copying someone elses failed process would work but he thought it was a brilliant innovative :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh idea |
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You did a great job promoting Twistys and had a good crew that you were smart enough to hire. I remember doing pretty well back when you had that one promo tool where you had a different girl every day or week (can't remember if it was daily or weekly) who did a little promo vid. It changed dynamically on your end to a different girl the next day (or week...my foggy memory) I used to put that up on the main page of Ampland and leave it on "auto-pilot" and it would make a few sales each week like clockwork. Another "softcore" site that sold UNGODLY amounts was Lightspeed's Tawny Stone when she first came out. She just had that "it" factor. I put this tiny ass 120x60 button on the left hand side of our main page and it would make 50 to 75 sales a week off of that. Even though I do maintain that hardcore outsells softcore in general...there are always exceptions to the rule. Always. :) |
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I would have thought it best to have a page with both hard and soft core content on it. Lonking the hard core pics to hard core sites and the soft core pics to soft core sites. but I was asking as this is not something I know about. |
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http://adultmarketing.co.uk/ 5 references to me. And some to Gary on the first page. He's a marketing man promoting himself. And too stupid to realise this isn't the way to do it. At least GG is bright enough not to show us what he does. Good night guys, tomorrow will pick this up. :1orglaugh |
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You are truly off your rocker, troll. |
Damian's site and knowledge are pretty pathetic when it comes to marketing.
One of my brothers is in the car business. And THOSE guys can sell shit. And sitting with my brother looking over the details of marketing with a car dealership is pretty educating. This is the movie that all car dealers and salesmen love to watch. And if you ever watch it you begin to really understand the psychology of how to sell to people: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0199054/ To me it was like watching what I already knew because I've been in entertainment/showbiz since I was a child. So everything has always been "carny" and "working" people and promoting and entertaining. I get people everyday...program owners, solo girl sites, porn girls...wanting me to take over their stuff and make them money. They can't figure out how I do what I do with CM's site. And the answer is really easy. It's my entire life of being in show biz. A front man, a song and dance man, etc. You either have "it" and get the experience needed in life to supplement that ability...or you don't. It's how I do what I do. While some guys are poring over stats and making painfully long decisions on what color to use for the background...I'm up and running circles around them off of what I instinctively know my audiences want. Reading that stuff on Damian's site...it's pretty generic. And I'm sure he is helpful to some folks and gets them to a level that they think is really good. I look at it and know that a guy like Damian would walk into a bar full of car dealers and try to tell them about marketing and be laughed out of the building. Replace "car dealers" with any of my managers/agents of my bands over the years and the same thing would happen. It's why most things in this world fail. If everyone was good...there would be no "winners". So thanks to the Damians and Gideons of the world, I get to look really good while I'm making all this money. lol |
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umm why the jeff koons photo? what does that prove?
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according to you it would have changed the entire industry for the better and made who ever accepted the savior of the industry hell why not use all those millions you earned as an affiliate to buy porn hub and put it thru your magic make over. Quote:
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some of the biggest paysites now are softcore-ish nude art sites like x-art and ftv. it`s not gangbang teens.
the surfers who like those sites - and it is a fair amount - don`t like tasteless raunchy hardcore with cocks all over the place. |
So I just read Robbie's prior post about what he would do with PornHub.
He would make it the same as GayTube.com (which Fabian bought off Shap) and JustUsBoys.com, which is now owned by Intense Cash ... or RocketTube, which is still owned by the guys who founded JustUsBoys.com. Those sites are the largest gay affiliate sites. As far as I know, Fabian has no plans to change GayTube.com as that is a cash cow. Fabian now owns a site that does exactly what Robbie suggested for PornHub so Fabian certainly knows the potential. GayTube has been like that for years. Obviously both models are equally lucrative, just comes down to the path you choose to take. |
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@ Damian - you marketing genius you - pornbeer must be making you MILLIONS with all those 100+ view videos :thumbsup |
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http://upload.gaytube.com/submit/ still taking uploads and even if you were right (which your not) have you seen the difference between pornhub traffic and gaytube 's traffic there are hundreds of straight tube sites who would carve up the traffic of pornhub if you were stupid enough to do what robbie suggested you should do just like all the torrent sites that grew bigger when mininova decided to use the same stupid plan to go legit. just like file lockers that grew when rapidshare decided to buckle and go legit. it plain stupid to believe it would be any different this time. |
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and gay tube is currently the biggest gay porn site, despite other gay tubes that are filled with full length "user uploaded" content. working with sponsors did not hurt it's traffic or market share in the least. |
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I accept user uploads, too. 90% is affiliates uploading watermarked promo vids. The rest is mostly truly amateur stuff. That's why I never believed the hype about 40k full length videos being uploaded by users. Yeah, I don't have PornHub traffic, but %s should still be the same on any site. |
Oh and so we are not drawn into a debate, when I say 90% I am just trying to make a point.
We are averaging 200 uploads by users a day and very rarely do I see anything that isn't a promo or appears to be truly amateur. Due to safe harbor everything goes up but I still have an idea of what is. |
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It's one thing to to read the words or sit down in a classroom and study a subject. As a front line salesman in many fields. Some of that advice is absolute bottom level basic and some wrong. The first thing to do it identify If the prospective client has a problem you can solve. No point in trying to sell someone who needs a car a bus ticket. Unless you're a conman. A good opening question is vital in selling and should get a client talking about his business. After you researched his business. In selling media space it's easy. Look at his advertising. Spot something they also do and don't feature as a headline in their present advertising and get them to talk about that part of their business. The most important part of selling is to identify, understand and know your client, his needs and your product. If they don't match, then fix your product or find new clients. He's a failure and now telling me he can shoot, market and sell porn better than me. That's why he lives in a hovel. Ho chose to do a job he's bad at to earn less money. :1orglaugh |
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Trolling is one thing, but you can't just post lies. Or I could post some back about you, and I don't think you'd like that. Would you? |
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Maybe one day I can be as good as you at life? Do you do coaching? |
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And he offered you the chance to prove him wrong and you made excuses as why you couldn't. Saying you wanted $5000 in costs to shoot one scene. |
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Met-Art is softcore and they hit it very well. Missing it with low grade content isn't even going to start getting sales, unless you can find 100s of affiliates to waste time sending tons of traffic to a poorly performing site. Quote:
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Can you back up your current lie of damian saying Ancher's content was shit paul? Just quote him saying Ancher's content was shit, that'll do the job.
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I thought you had a clue. Guess not. |
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