"This is top end, Twistys, OT class."
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Well it's what Shap wanted Twistys to compete with.
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These shots would look better and make more money in a magazine than online.
Online is dead, right? So why bother?
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seriously
just compare the two
hell look at the shot
your girl has a strangly lock of hair that distracts from the photo
while jay rocks properly frames her face.
you could have fixed it by photoshoping that out and you didn't even do that.
it way better than the regular crap you sell off but, are you really trying to argue that what you showed is better then the stuff that appears in twisty/Met-art etc.
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Funny, I prefer Paul's shot.seriously
just compare the two
hell look at the shot
your girl has a strangly lock of hair that distracts from the photo
while jay rocks properly frames her face.
you could have fixed it by photoshoping that out and you didn't even do that.
it way better than the regular crap you sell off but, are you really trying to argue that what you showed is better then the stuff that appears in twisty/Met-art etc.Comment
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I wouldn't say 'better', but I think, presuming that the rest of the shots in the set are of equal or better quality, these two are Twistys caliber. P
She actually goes by 'Deborah' now. Get your facts straight.
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That's pretty damn hot and equal (or better) to alot of Twistys stuff i've seen-
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Why do you English guy's, hate each other so much?
You are like little boys who never grew up.
Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. married/dated English girl's, and they all have the same story about English guys, they care more about hanging out with there bum chums, and what they think about them, rather then looking after there own women. sad but true.
No offence, just saying, what I know to be true.
You guy's need you're own "English section" on here, so you can bitch at each other, all day every day, it's getting annoying.
I'm going for a pint now, cheers.
ps: nice pic's Paul btw, you have nothing to prove to anyone.
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I would say it's a lot better than Twistys.
And so it should be, this is Michael Ancher's content. A Penthouse and Playboy level shooter. He's in the top levels of shooting this kind of porn. Comparing my work with his and not seeing the difference is sad. Saying Michael isn't good enough to shoot for Twistys is plain, well you decide. At no time did I indicate it was shot by any of us.
Explanation. I was discussing with Cherry the difference between what he shoots and what's top quality work in the erotic/glamor niche. Damina who is clueless about porn and therefore the business he works in and loves to prove it. Jumped in with his usual bullshit.
The difference in styles are obvious to anyone who shoots. It should be obvious to anyone in porn.
Damian threatened to bring it here to make me look stupid.
Seems the ball bounced beck into his mouth.
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I've no time for damian, who is supposedly an intelligent bloke, yet fails to see the similarity in a big built person using bulk to physically intimidate and/or beat up the smaller kids and see it as some sign of how great they are, yet continually picking on Gary, who anyone can see is actually a nice guy, but not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I digress. Where did Damian say those pics that you were passing off as your own weren't good enough? Also you said the pics in the OP were OT/Twisty's class - are you still saying that? I'm confused...Comment
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I'm saying the work of Micheal Ancher is above Twistys standard. He's one of the classiest shooters in porn. http://www.glamourgirls.com/ http://www.glamourgirls.com/petra2/index.html http://www.glamourgirls.com/lucie_nz/index.html what do you think?Last edited by Paul Markham; 10-23-2011, 01:13 AM.Comment
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Any idea when the shots were taken?I would say it's a lot better than Twistys.
And so it should be, this is Michael Ancher's content. A Penthouse and Playboy level shooter. He's in the top levels of shooting this kind of porn. Comparing my work with his and not seeing the difference is sad. Saying Michael isn't good enough to shoot for Twistys is plain, well you decide. At no time did I indicate it was shot by any of us.
Explanation. I was discussing with Cherry the difference between what he shoots and what's top quality work in the erotic/glamor niche. Damina who is clueless about porn and therefore the business he works in and loves to prove it. Jumped in with his usual bullshit.
The difference in styles are obvious to anyone who shoots. It should be obvious to anyone in porn.
Damian threatened to bring it here to make me look stupid.
Seems the ball bounced beck into his mouth.
While I think it's pretty fucking awesome how you set up Damian, it's not necessarily the slam dunk boo-ya you think it is.
Ancher started shooting for magazines back in 82' so is likely in his mid-fifties or older and has lived in Prague since 2000. So even if they were shot recently, it's a small sample size, feature a late teens/early 20s Czech girl, were shot by someone with life experiences similar to yours, someone whose notion of the ideal is likely very similar to yours, and given your acknowledgement that he's a better photographer than you, I think it's reasonable to assume that you've at least somewhat emulated his work over the years.
http://www.michaelancher.com/about.htmlLast edited by jimmycooper; 10-23-2011, 03:46 AM.
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I saw that thread, but missed him saying those pics were shit, maybe I need to read it again. I almost posted to there say I was actually impressed at your work for the first time ever, but couldn't be arsed to login just for that.
Anyway, the pics in the OP - are you saying they are twistys/OT class, yes or no?Comment
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It wouldn't be.... Paul isn't as spiteful & vindictive to give a slamdunk to Little miss Damsel (A compliment to Paul btw).
To give the number of vicious attacks, Damian does, especially to cover his actions & for people not to notice the reasons for them, a person needs a childish, twisted & messed up mind. The truth is, the decent, kind & stronger people should stay strong, look up & continue without using this kind of obsessive, nasty behaviour.
Anyone would have thought, I would have laughed when I see those photos of Damian, considering the harrassment he has dealt to me over the years.... I didn't!
I don't get off on the similar spiteful ways, my thoughts were "oh look, there's that obnoctous little twat. Ahhhh someone's giving it some to damian, he probably deserves it, whether I agree with it or not."
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They were shot in 2001.
These are his posts.
I'm saying they are Penthouse/Playboy class and as Shap said that's who he was trying to compete with. It's all that needs to be said.
I think they are above Twistys from seeing what was in Twistys.
You can think what you like.
It just proves Damian shoots off his mouth without thinking and can't even tell the distinct difference between Michael's work and mine. It should be obvious to anyone in porn.Comment
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We don't... Damian pretty much hates anyone in the business & feels it works with him to use his negative comments rather than get on with people & see positive or keeping it real.
I read a comment on another forum how much he wants me dead & has sent posts into my user id here saying he wishes I had cancer.... like wtf, I don't like to waste my mind of nasty behaviour
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are you seriously trying to claim that because some of the pictures of a photographer are featured in penthouse and playboy every single thing they shoot meets that standard
that they are perfect every single time.
you picked a shoot that was at the low end,
now granted that low end is way better than what an average photographer could do on their best day.
But there is no comparison there are mistakes made in those particular shots that would not meet the standards of twisty's
imperfections are being showcased in a distracting way.
It just proves Damian shoots off his mouth without thinking and can't even tell the distinct difference between Michael's work and mine. It should be obvious to anyone in porn.
yup there is a huge difference between class and crap.
like i said the worst of a great photographer is better than the very best of an average photographer.
I was surprised that it was your work when i saw it (that fact that it not makes sense)
it was potentially believable because it was
1. represented as your highest calibre work
2. clearly not the best shots of the real photographer
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They aren't, they're shit. So, he didn't say those other pics you were trying to set him up with were shit, and you think those pics of yours that are shit, are twistys/OT class. Ok, business as usual then.They were shot in 2001.
These are his posts.
I'm saying they are Penthouse/Playboy class and as Shap said that's who he was trying to compete with. It's all that needs to be said.
I think they are above Twistys from seeing what was in Twistys.
You can think what you like.
It just proves Damian shoots off his mouth without thinking and can't even tell the distinct difference between Michael's work and mine. It should be obvious to anyone in porn.Comment
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Like with any job or career.... the worst in professionals are still better than those in amateurs or at least the best of the average joes.
Although to add... An great amateur could be a great professional if given the chance with the right tools. A tradesmen never blames his tools, but must have the right tools for the job, lighting, camera, lens etc etc.
A photographer with a 5d canon should be able to make a photo look twice as good as taking the same photo with a 350d. Yes, the angles of the photo, the lighting & everything else comes into account, but depending on finances, this alters the appearance of the photo
Paul works with amateur & professional, & shows this in his content. He manages to reach both levels
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Twistys wasn't about the photographers it was about the models.Comment
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No babe site ever came close to updating like Twistys. If we had one update a week like Ftv the we would have been much pickier. We had 5 updates everyday. Our goal was to showcase the most beautiful models from around the world by a variety of photographers. We Had a very diverse member base. Some loved Dean some didn't some love hicks some didn't our goal was to have a site that had enough variety and enough quality to keep them happy.Comment
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[QUOTE=Paul Markham;18509497]I would say it's a lot better than Twistys.
And so it should be, this is Michael Ancher's content. A Penthouse and Playboy level shooter. He's in the top levels of shooting this kind of porn. Comparing my work with his and not seeing the difference is sad. Saying Michael isn't good enough to shoot for Twistys is plain, well you decide. At no time did I indicate it was shot by any of us.
Explanation. I was discussing with Cherry the difference between what he shoots and what's top quality work in the erotic/glamor niche. Damina who is clueless about porn and therefore the business he works in and loves to prove it. Jumped in with his usual bullshit.
The difference in styles are obvious to anyone who shoots. It should be obvious to anyone in porn.
Damian threatened to bring it here to make me look stupid.
Seems the ball bounced beck into his mouth.
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Paul Markham gets upset when people point out the faults in his work, but I has never fails to slag off other peoples work using his Pseudo photo babble even though Markham has no photographic training, has never studied photography, does not read books, has never won any photographic awards.
Back in the day shooter were employed by editors with limited cultural outlooks to take the same picture again and again, bland flat lighting and just change the girl.
After all they wanted to make money, not fuck around with art and photography.
Now, of course, all this led to rules, nothing to do with photography but to do with the foibles of mag production.
But this was a long time ago, and photography is a lot easier and better quality on line.
Sadly Markham has not changed, does not read books, does not understand photography.
I don't think penthouse or playboy is very interesting anymore, is it ?Comment
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That with respect was your problem. Your daily spend on updates would of been enough to have less quantity and a higher quality. Not only you, the obsession online had with quantity over quality was clear on many sites. Now they all have content that rarely stands out.
Getting a "babe" shot by someone who isn't at the top of their game, so you can go quantity over quality is wrong. You want to stand above the rest of the pack, employ a shooter others can't employ or whose work isn't able to be duplicated. IMO.
I know you will tell me how well you did, could you have done better with member staying longer, eager to get tomorrows update?Comment
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gideongallery you're an idiot. Michael consistently shot and sold to Penthouse and Playboy. If you had a clue about porn you would know that.Comment
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Funny you mention because after doing the Top 10 galleries post last year and realizing that Tammy shot the Emily Addison shower set, and having only recently become familiar with VIP Area, I went back and looked at dozen of Twistys galleries to see if I could figure out which ones were hers. In doing so I got the impression that her Twistys work was kind of like a constrained version of her VIP Area style. Pretty much a waste of time on my part but interesting nonetheless!
The thing I admire most about Twistys is it's ability to simultaneously appeal to both a 'highbrow snob' type target and a 'mass adult consumer target' without alienating either. A delicate balancing act that's extremely difficult to pull off. Hopefully they'll be able to keep it up.
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