Never remembered him and some of his comments made me think he was making it up. We don't live in a cottage, it was built in 2000, 3 bedroom house, it's not surrounded by fields as you can see from the photos we posted, it is out of the city on the outskirts of a village, got orchards near and ir was facing the river when he came, they built opposite us since then. The studio was than 2,000 sq ft so not small. The comments about where it was he showed were online already by another interview I did. He met the staff in the office, so could see we weren't a small operation, had 8 people employed then, including the Nanny at home so Eva could work.

Eva's main job was shooting sets and doing the company accounts. The idea I was going to take her away from a lucrative shooting roll and a very vital accounting roll, to shoot cheap sets is stupid.

The land we shot the scene on is public land, so no one can throw us off, shot their lots of times. Don't even take people to our home. It's our home ad for friends only. And if we want to impress them, don't give them a pasta dinner. :Oh crap

Still you understand the operation we had, being close to content production. The idea that I was chasing "not expensive" custom work that would mean 2 of our crew taken away from the main business is ludicrous. It would of lost us money.

The idea we were broke is a stupid lie. Set number 1737 and video 9296. We shot until set number 902482 on a pretty steady basis. 745 sets. not the mass churned out stuff Squealer was looking for, we shot magazine sets and at 2 a day and rarely more than 2 a week. 745 is 372 days work, 186 weeks, 3.5 years. So for a company going broke something seems wrong. You know we were never chasing custom work, simply not viable for us to tie up our teem, equipment, staff and time with it.

We never even did what Max did and got in some cheap teams to shoot. Still too much time and would mean new equipment and locations. At $300 a scene, what would you choose if you had a market paying $3,000 a set?

No if he put this deal to me in the coffee shop common sense and logic says a guy like me would leave him in the coffee shop. I'm known for blunt speaking, in fact he says so. Would never of entertained him for the day.

Is it legal to have web cam studios in Russia, but not shoot solo girl sets of them? Will ask my friends who work in Russia.

So as I said I never remembered him, his story seemed bullshit and has got worse. So I said he was never here. Mistake I admitted to and explained.

I read so much bullshit here I jump there first. So a lot of his story is bullshit and I jumped wrong. :Oh crap

The proof of the pudding is in any of the trolls coming up with an offer for a gold mine of bankable content. Or is that just more GFY bullshit?

Prove me wrong guys. :thumbsup

I'm trying to hit 30,000 before I bow out. :1orglaugh

Ah, there's your mistake Paul. Don't make bad tours. These are vintage porn customers. Treat them accordingly.

If you split test a bad tour that you made in 10 minutes yourself versus a 'good' tour that a professional designer made you'd see why your cunning idea of making a bad tour was a mistake.

But yes I've offered to buy it from you twice now.

Here's the third offer.

6 months of revenue. I will paypal you this today.

I'll need Epoch to confirm the revenue, obv.

6 months of what a failure s doing with it or 6 months of what you can do with it?

The last 6 months included summer slow down, so not going to sell it for the worse 6 month period.

It's only on CCBILL.

Straight offers for a bankable goldmine in the hands of an expert only please. Site passes will be given to all reasonable offers.

Paul, the standard when purchasing a site is 3-6 month's revenue. That's my offer. And I've offered it 3 times. Do you want to sell it or not?

If you *really* think there is such a thing as a summer slowdown, I will take ANY of the 6 month periods since the site's launch. But, it will need to be confirmed by CCBill.

(Ps setting up cascading billing will add 10% to your bottom line overnight and will take about 2 hours work)

Yeah, and once he gets busted lying - suddenly, it all comes back to him in amazing detail and he magically recalls in great detail how I was just a loser.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

yes i told you i thought your ideas were worthless and you were full of shit. how many times do i need to repeat it? your suggestions would have hurt the site you were talking about, so i told you to fuck off. you can keep begging but you failed.

no one on gfy is taking you seriously. you are only producing anger and hatred because you don't know anything about today's porn business.

everybody keeps saying - SHOW US WHAT YOU KNOW. how are you making money in TODAY'S online porn market?

the fact is you aren't. you said you purposely made your Astral tour shitty. maybe it was a good strategy 5 years ago, but i do hope you realize that strategy is not working today.

you dropped the ball Markham. how can i refer you to my clients?

what in the world are you talking about? i wouldnt buy your garbage content. Damian said he made an offer. there's no way i could monetize that crap. i don't even think Manwin could make money off it.

if your content was selling, you would have better things to do than cry and troll on gfy all day. i barely have time to read subscribed threads, much less write thousands of words a day.

you have nothing else to do because you can't figure out how to get your foot back in the business. bitching and trolling isn't going to get you where you want to be. it only makes people hate you. probably not a good thing to do so close to death :winkwink:

skyped you.

You simply just do not get it.

I can afford to sit back and do nothing. I made my money and retired.

Get my foot back. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Yes you proved it, you're stupid.

Reviewing some of the sites running with your CMS now. Most people think the sites have nothing to do with you. You just sell the CMS. Are they right or do you give marketing advice?

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1040390

Seems if they're right, it's obvious why you don't want me to know who your clients are.

i call bullshit. people who made their money and retired NEVER log into this hellhole of a board. unless you've closed your business, or sold it, or turned it over to someone else to run, YOU ARE NOT RETIRED.

you are still chasing sales. check your sig. when you remove that, or i see someone else slinging that sig instead of you, then you are retired. until then you are just a broke clueless asshole.

i missed the proof.
ah, but that's not one of your strengths.
you just babble on with no proof :thumbsup

you mean a dickhead started a thread to slam sites running on my cms? that's not very nice to the site owners i think. one more reason i wouldn't refer you to them. you are insulting some very hard working and honest site owners in that thread.

yes the default template is not pretty. it is very simple with simple functions. the template system is easily configurable with PHP - not some Smarty or other proprietary bullshit. all you have to do to pimp a PornCMS site is go into the Template editor and start writing PHP code. many have done it.

i don't run the sites on PornCMS and i rarely look at them. if a site owner wants to improve their design, i refer them to one of the many designers familiar with the cms - like Zuzana.

that BriannaBeachLive site you slammed is making really good money, enough that he has our PRO account and a dedicated server. you should spend time on your own sites, Markham. they look like shit with no chance of survival.

awesome man you should have hit me up for a kickback. email me via the site :)

Coudos to The Squealer.


Finally someone that understands and can properly vocalize what marketing is all about. You also obviously read Seth Godin books :)

Seriously, you've hit nail on the head a dozen times in this thread.

No need man, I just like putting people together. He was using a proprietary thing, and we needed something fast for a new project and he tried your CMS and loved it so much all new sites are being rolled out using it. He loves it!

thanks man its pretty good and will only get better. 80% of my time is spent doing custom upgrades & template installs but i do try to spend at least a few hours a week upgrading the cms. i have a huge whiteboard of planned upgrades, but of course i have to put the custom programming customers first :)

Its funny you said that about Seth Godin, I have a few of his books here but haven't read them. But you might have said that because of the "they buy an image" comment. I do think I recall Seth Godin saying that in a speech to Google, which I believe is where I got it.

It stuck in my mind because my ex-wife would say things like "please get me some water, but get the one with the mountains on it"... clearly she wanted to buy the image, not the water. It was at that same time that I happened to see that video which is why it resonated with me.

Actually the water reference is more from "All Marketers Are Liars/Tell Stories". Most of what you've been saying is what Seth talks about in the book. Its by far one of his best.

http://ws.assoc-amazon.com/widgets/q...rsion=20070822

I think the idea virus and purple cow are his best books. I love that guy.

I'm starting Purple Cow after I finish Poke the Box

Thats funny. I don't have that book. I will find the audio and listen to it in the car. I swear, i've never read any of his stuff. I think many of the points I was trying to make should be common sense, but for most people in adult, they don't seem to be. Clarity, consistency, continuity etc.

Over the years, i've made some concrete guidelines for myself for building landing pages and sites and have learned to follow a very simple set of rules that work well. As Shap pointed out, I also began to realize that nothing has changed with that. From time to time, I forget that we are really only dealing with the very basics of marketing and sales, not a unique product in a new and unique medium with its own set of complicated rules as we tend to like to think. However, within those guidelines I have of course, all of those elements still require quite a bit of experimentation, testing, tweaking, tuning etc to get them dialed in with each new site/offer. I try to be as diligent as possible in following processes, site/page structure and design, evaluating the user experience/heuristics, making sure there is consistency throughout with user controls, design elements etc etc etc. Every little detail matters. Someone like Sly can vouch for the fact that I rarely underthink things :)

For someone like Paul to be telling people how to sell porn is absurd... He can't do it. That's why he is a failure and living off of pensions, not his 34 years of content. He may as well be spending his time telling CERN how to find the God Particle... or babbling to the physics community about how he's worked out String Theory and how the worlds greatest mathematical and physics minds are doing it wrong in physics... or screaming at squirrels in the park.

A great video, a great photo, a great smile etc are all just teeny tiny pieces of a much larger success equation and they certainly aren't the deal breakers.

Content is not king.

Content is important.

Great content doesn't overcome shitty marketing and a horribly laid out site/sales process.

Understanding ones traffic, marketing and sales will however overcome poor content (though not retention)... not to mention that traffic will pay for a whole lot more.

People chase traffic. They do not chase content. You can make sales with no content and just text links to sales pages if your offer is well done, well laid out and credible to the surfer.

This is where most people fail.

Bang Bus succeeded because people believed it was real for the longest time.

Yeah, thinking back, I always had people asking me if it was real.

But people break that most basic rules when it comes to credibility with a litany of absurd claims that are not credible "the most beautiful", "the best", "the Internets biggest", "the most popular XYZ online" (or whatever) thinking those claims are a benefit but they are really a negative. You're a surfer, i'm a surfer. You know better. I know better. Others know better.

Webmasters don't seem to know better

Thats what "All Marketers Tell Stories" covers and explains really well.

Thanks man! I will check it out for sure. It's always possible to learn more or gain new insights. I am always leery of marketing books because it always seems to be different ways of saying the same stuff... same with management/leadership. Same materials, just a new parable or example. I went through a phase where I was trying to learn and absorb everything I could and then realized all the "best sellers" tended to be very much like the previous best sellers. But Godin is certainly a very credible author, the videos I remember watching were very interesting and thought provoking. Definitely gave me a lot of food for thought.

Not when selling porn content. You can send traffic to a site for them to make a sale with their content. Sending traffic to a porn content site which has no content, ain't going to make you a lot of money.

Today the sites with the most traffic and sales have it for one reason. They have tons of content. It's free but the surfers are coming in the numbers they do because of the amount.

Surfers come to online porn for content. 999 out of a 1,000 will get moved around as traffic by content. 999 out of 1,000 of those who click a link will do so because of content.

999 out of 1,000 will pay based on the content they see on the tour.

1,000 out of 1,000 will stay a member because of the content inside the members area. They will then go on to buy from another site based on their satisfaction of the way they have been supplied with content in the past.

Yes you can't sell the greatest content with no traffic. You can't sell the greatest traffic with no content.

Yes you can sell bad content with good traffic. But you're an idiot if you do because you're losing money. To make the best ROI on your traffic you send it to the best converting/retaining sites. Which is usually based on

CONTENT.

We've been running online porn according to the idiots who think content is second to traffic for 12 years and watched sales decline against the numbers we're trying to sell to.

Now we see them plummeting and you guys are still trying to convince yourselves that traffic and marketing is more important than supplying the customer what he really needs and what 10,000 others can't do the same.

NoWhErE did the content or the words that sent the surfer to the site convince them it was real?

Thank you, proves my point. They bought because of the content.

When an industry thinks giving 1,000s as much as they want is called selling. Sou know something is wrong. When the product is a 20 minute high and they want to sell a months supply of it with the free model. You know some thing is very wrong.

now you can sit here and lick each others balls and asses till the sun goes down. But while you do, millions are getting off for free on content while you try to give more away. To get 1-5,000 or what ever, from these 1,00s to actually buy a months membership.

Thank you marketing Dept. Instead of selling to more you now sell to less.

Will look into this. That might be very possible.

Paul, there is no "we". You have yet to demonstrate that you know anything at all about sales or that you've ever ran a pay site successfully, or even how to sell porn to a surfer. At best, you can make the case that you can get a model to feel comfortable when you shoot her. That's about as far as your credibility goes.

You have yet to demonstrate why you have any credibility at all in commenting on paysites or sales since you have neither. Erm... well, you have a few paysites that look like they were designed by an idiot and that clearly do not convert traffic.

No one in adult thinks you have credibility except you. You're a failure, no one is basing pay sites around your 34 years of content or giving you rave reviews. Not even you. You live off of government pensions, not 34 years of shooting content or pay site sales. You don't live off of content sales.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

gallery traffic from shitty filler content on long forgotten and neglected tgps is not "sales" or "revenue" dumbass.

Do you buy bottled water because of the content or because of the idea that bottled water is better than tap water?

Fact is there is no difference, water is water. You were sold some nice words that made up a nice story that makes you feel better about drinking water from a bottle.



Does the surfer stay purely for content? No. Most porn is the same shit. In & Out, Cumshot, End Scene. What they stay for is the fantasy they can create in their minds. Thats what the wording and presentation (aka marketing) is for and thats whats keeping them there. If you can promise something that interests the surfer and then deliver on your promise, you're set.

I think the delivering on the promise is where it all happens. And that is what Paul is saying.
Problem is he is completely discounting all other factors.

Yeah...porn pretty much does sell itself..BUT, even before piracy and sites like pornhub, etc showing full scenes to millions of people a day...you STILL had to compete with other paysites for sales.

And yeah, that's where "marketing" came in and still does.

And there are a lot of different approaches.
Some guys are real successful crunching numbers, analyzing stats, A-B testing, making slight tweaks to text and/or graphics, etc.
Other guys are real good with having a "feel" for what works and doesn't work.

It's just a different way of doing things. But I've seen people have great success both ways.

And of course there are TONS of guys who think they know how to "market" that haven't got a clue. And it's easy to pick them out as they have nothing to show but a lot of talk.

I don't think that Paul is an expert at the marketing aspect. But I think he has a valid point that a lot of paysites are going to have to up their game as to what they are offering the consumer.

Of course he's taking the argument to the extreme to piss people off.
After all...he IS the GFY Troll Of The Year. :pimp

But no matter what Paul says or does...he'll never get any disrespect from me.
I'm in the PORN business. And 90% of the people on GFY have never even BEEN to a porn shoot. So Paul has my respect as a guy who actually DOES it (or in his case DID it for many years).

Marketing? Not so much.
But he's as good at marketing as the majority of broke ass losers on GFY for sure. lol

stop calling paul a troll. he sincerely believes in this shit he spews. shows how out of touch adult is with popular trends that he is called a troll ...

the sites that got killed by the tubes were generally shit and deserved to die anyway. members areas with 12 shitty dvds and crap like that. x-art is growing, seemygf is growing. why?

Put a truck load of bottled water outside a shop selling bottled water and see what it does to shops sales. Damian got it spot on.
You hit the nail on the head with Most porn is the same shit.

That's the problem today. So much porn is the same shit. People who have sites with content that isn't the same and not shit, enjoy better conversions and better retention because of the better and different content. Not talking niches here.

Like FTV, Alsscan, Met-Art. When you apply the same or a little less marketing to it you get a far far better results. You don't have to sell so hard if you're the only guy in the mall with the great products. When it comes to visual content all you have to do is let them see the visual content. Add some nice words, but the content has sold itself.

Example. A guy selling a Ford is up against 10 other car dealers, selling a similar product. He has to work harder than a guy selling a Rolls Royce, this guy opens the door and lets you into the showroom. After maybe qualifying you can afford one.

My original question comes right back at you. Is it affordable today?

I've been around online porn for well over 15 years. And in the last 12 few people have been able to afford to employ top shooters. A lot of BS was put out, if you were around then, that the surfer wanted the content online was able to afford then. Well today we can afford better and have Twistys, Met-Art, Sapphic, Brazzers and more with good to great content and the shitty sites are sunk or sinking. Did the audience change or the ability to pay?

Fabian was telling us the porn surfer didn't want LA Valley Porn, imagine my shock when I opened Brazzers and saw LA Valley Porn. :1orglaugh

Yes good marketing is good. Good porn is better.

Simply because the number of people who can do good marketing is large. The number of people who can shoot good porn is small. And anyone who thinks good porn has anything to do with image definition or lighting is in the wrong business. Anyone can buy a decent camera and shoot with it. Lighting for a video never was hard except at the top levels, get a monitor and check it. Lighting for film was a bit harder, but not that hard, as I could do it and it's well known I'm an idiot.

The skill in shooting porn is a skill in being able to get a model who is only there to earn money, no intentions of enjoying herself and wants to be in and out ASAP. To look like she would fuck you for a pizza and bring ice cold beers with her. That's a skill very few have.

Then having the budget to shoot some scenes. They cost money to get right. Got right they are worth to the shooter more than online was prepared to pay.

Good marketing is a field most can achieve and not costly. Good porn is a field few can achieve and costly. But the ROI on good porn used to be far better than on good marketing in online porn.

Few sites would ever pay $3,000 for a solo girl scene. But that's what top shooter could sell them for offline. So online ended with Most porn is the same shit.

And the surfer knows it and doesn't stay long and is hard to convert, no mater what you promise him.

We've been upping the marketing game for the last 12+ years and look where we are now. Loads of sites with tons of traffic and few joins. Because Most porn is the same shit.

Robbie is spot on, if you want to turn this ship around you need to up the content game, or do you still think there's room to up the marketing game after 12 years of doing nothing but?

Robbie if you're selling Rolls Royces you don't need a marketing expert. You need someone to open the door. :1orglaugh

And that's why content is King. :thumbsup

It's fucking hard and expensive to get it to a good level. I shot a scene a few moths ago and you saw the state of me. I still shot a better scene than most of you online shooters. And movies is something I haven't done properly for years, concentrated on sets. Still not bad for an old invalid. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

So can sites afford to shoot great content. Can they afford to make an improvement to their sites ahead of taking the joins or is it cheaper and no up front money. to just "market" more?

sig whore and troll of the year

well done paul you really have left your mark in adult :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Content. Simple one to answer and proves me right.

Marketing shit sites is for fools.

Which is far more than you will, unless we're counting shit skids. :1orglaugh

You're the only one who thinks your award was an honor when it was really a slap in the face.

He knows it's an insult. He's not as stupid as he pretends to be.

But what were his options? Show his cards and be annoyed shouting that he is only trying to help us see how stupid we all are? Or pretend being called the most annoying cunt on a board is a good thing?

Obviously the latter.

Thing that I don't get is his end game.

anybody who can afford to spend that much time writing on gfy has no future and/or current value to this business.

btw his 'solo model' advice from the other thread is plagiarized from my pdf:
PornCMS Guide to Solo Model Profits
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1009157

he claimed it as his own because he is a worthless piece of shit.

here's another more up-to-date article i wrote on the same subject:
http://ilovebs.masteryan.com/theres-no-money-in-porn

i am giving proper advice to solo models because i actually work with solo models. Paul is a loser troll that has never spent a day trying to make money on a solo site - much less build software to help solo models make money.

he is clueless and his advice is worth less than his colostomy bag.

You will be remembered as an idiot who thought he knew everything but who actually knew very little.

I would rather not be remembered at all :1orglaugh

It's probable the voters were fellow trolls, so not that insulted.

My end game.

When I first came online to sell content direct I was truly shocked at the level of most of the content. It was abysmal. Only a very very few could of moved up to the higher paying markets of offline porn. The mistakes were simple and many.

The emphasis was on giving away as much free porn as possible and selling sites full of crap. The "If you have enough traffic you can sell anything." Was the rule. This is totally true. But if you have a great product, you can sell more to the same traffic and keep them buying longer.

The problem was no one was willing to compete with what offline paid shooters or spent in house on shooting a good to great product. It costs money to invest in a good shooters to shoot good content and online simply couldn't invest that kind of money. So the went the other route of giving away free porn to sell to a tiny minority.

12 years later the wall is clearly in view. There was no light at the end of the tunnel. There was a wall.

Where 1,000s consume free porn for every one who buys. This has cost the whole industry billions. It's costs sponsors billions. The only people who made money were people like you, people like Robbie, people whose only job was to give away free content. They were over paid, over indulged and over valued.

And the sales method of online porn us now slowly killing it.

Now you can see it. And it's cool to sit here and remind you. That's my end game.

Damian I have enough money to sit back and not worry about the future. I could pay for your ticket, my reason is simply I don't trust you to turn up. I could sell you the site for the best 6 months, let you have access to CCBILL to verify it. Why don't I? I don't trust you to keep you word, just get access to our CCBILL account and troll. Anyone who can write I'm a pedophile isn't someone to be trusted.

In the business world. If you see a product which you think is a bankable goldmine and is run by a fool. You look closely at the product. Think of what you could do with it and make an offer. Not come up with some formula based on what you think others pay for a product. It's about what it's worth to you to buy and me to sell.

PK I know it's yours, I never said it was mine. I said I had it.

It's very very basic marketing and it shows how easy it is to learn marketing. Read an article, book, etc. And away you go. I was waiting for others to tell me what shit advice it is. :winkwink: Guess you never thought of that.

And here's more advice on marketing. http://ilovebs.masteryan.com/theres-no-money-in-porn it's that easy to find.

Shooting porn is a lot tougher. Unless you shoot your wife, at home, with a camera from the cupboard.

It needs equipment, $1,000s worth. Models at $300 to $3,000 a day. And more, like location, make up, etc every time a shoot happens. Above all you need real skills that can't be picked up from a book. Because you're working with people who can be easy or a nightmare to get the best from.

I guess you're not even bright enough to figure out why I didn't spend all my time making a solo girl site. :1orglaugh

I could see enough Ma & Pa operations like yours to see I was better off doing something you couldn't.

So far no one has come up with a reply to my question.

Is there a solution and is it an affordable solution to the decline in paysite sales?

Nor has anyone countered my post of why good content is more important than good marketing. Because of the difficulty of creating good content and the ease of creating good marketing. Seems enough of you just in this thread who claim to be experts at it to prove that right. :1orglaugh