Normally about 1:1500 - 1:3500 at worst


CB's/refunds are fine man...... so there's no prob there




btw, I think it's hilarious how some of these noobs and gfy lamers try to chime in here like they know it all

"oh you have tubes" "oh you promote this or that" lol you guys are loser idiots....... go on assuming your shit and enjoy your 2 sales at 1:400 ratios LOL :thumbsup

Added a lot of FHGs lately? From memory (though I could be way wrong here) those counted as sponsor clicks, so if you have added a lot, or had a link(s) with your affcode posted on a big surfer forum or several, that'd inflate it a fair whack. Like I say though, that's from memory and may not be 100% accurate.

so what you want to say, that it is not important who do you promote? as you can see, not much people are in that shit as you are ... :2 cents: oh, or maybe enjoy your chinesse traffic

Well, i can just say that jscott knows his shit....and that's what he was also trying to say...if he says this is weird... it IS weird... :2 cents:

Its gotta be a linking issue.

You're pushing our cam site Sakura Live and it's billed by CCbill only :thumbsup

:2 cents:

So far (I know September is young) there were 5 full days and I made 90% of my sales in 2 days: Thurday September 1 + Monday September 5. These 2 days were some normal days, nothing specials. The 3 other days were VERY VERY bad. My stats overall are very bad.

A weekend is usually very good on my end, but over the last weekend I made only 3-4 sales (in 2 days!) and that is really bad. I usually make 8-9 sales per day AT LEAST!


I have seen a use drop in sales since July 2011. Untill June 2011 all was OK on my end. It was kind of normal. Between July 15 and August 31 it was really the worst period ever.


I had kind the same issue during May 2010, over a short period of about 2 weeks. The first half of May 2010 was very good but then after May 15, 2010 suddenly sales dropped. At that time I have posted here on GFY and there were several other webmasters who had the same issue. Then in June 2010 sales picked up again.


Now I see the sales are very bad over a longer period.

I don't blame CCBILL as I think the scrubbing is only a small part of the story. I have only a small part of my traffic going to NATS sites and I see kind of the same. Higher ratios + lower sales. But fact is that the main part of my traffic is going to a sponsor that I work with since over 5 years and he told me that since July 15 almost all sales he has are coming out of Europe (esp.Germany) + Canada and that sales of US customers is almost 0. Over the long term the sales were arround 60-65% US and 35-40% Europe+Canada+rest of world.
Are there any other program owners who see the same decrease in sales from US customers?

I have seen many European and non-US sales since June, for both CCBill and Epoch. But summertime is a bad time of year to judge so let's see how Sept-Dec goes.

I am not sure where you heard this, but this is not true.

My reply in this post showing my recent CCBill ratios was raw clicks. I even included Affiliates Without Sales in those stats. If I remove non-converting affiliate sites, my ratios drop remarkably.

I don't use FHGs, and have very few videos on my money-making sites. As Argos88 stated earlier, if a new site I'm trying out goes above 1:1,000 - I don't promote it anymore. I KNOW there are other sites that can easily halve that ratio.

I try to cater to an older audience - an audience that doesn't want to waste their time clicking through random shit to find something they find arousing. Maybe this strategy is killing me traffic-wise, but its what I know how to do.

Although a lot of programs (particularly amateur programs) that use CCBill are a mess (if not completely broken), a good one is worth its weight in gold. I've been paid on time by CCBill every week since '98 or '99. Long enough that I forget exactly when I signed up - and I don't feel like checking right now.

My oldest CCBill affiliate ref ID is 15053. I've been using them for awhile.

Note: This post reflects my personal experience with CCBill. I do not claim to have a clue about jscott's issues with them. CCBill works just fine for me.

EDIT: Ok, so I checked. Signed up Oct. 1, 1999 here: http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...-0000&PA=15053 Been paid on time, every week, since.

Ghost town??????

From a ccbill rep, on gfy.

I must be missing the part in this post that explains why anyone posts raw clicks when comparing/stating ratios. Well done though on being with ccbill for a long time.

1:10 million. Everything is fine on their end. :1orglaugh

With ccbill, unless the sponsor has selected to count clicks using one of the newer methods then unique clicks are calculated at 80% of raw clicks. So the unique clicks is not accurate.

I still have many ccbill sponsors that are using the old original method, so actually using raw clicks is a better indicator than unique clicks which is not accurate to varying degrees depending on how many sponsors you have that are counting with the old methods vs. new methods.

I guess I took your post asking(?) "Why does anyone post Raws, ever?" the wrong way.

I count my CCBill conversion ratios by raw clicks. I link images directly to tours. So the ratios I post are raw clicks. So, if my ratio is 1:500, that's one in five hundred raw visitors hauling out ye olde credit card and purchasing a subscription. Maybe each of them has has visited the site 20 times while cookied before deciding to sign up. I dunno. I don't care.

I know that my raw ratio - as irrelevant as you may consider it - is better than my unique ratio with most other companies. Under NATS I get more "Bookmark" signups than anything. So WTF? I do not actually care about raws or uniques - I care about the amount of traffic I send and how well it converts.

I don't know what the problem is. You want me to post uniques? Check your own stats and do the math. If I'm doing (give or take) 1:500 on raw clicks, that's like what? 1:100 uniques? No its not, but close...

Thank you for "congratulating" me on getting paid by CCBill every single fucking week since late 1999. Rofl.

Let me do another copy and paste:

$413.91
55 $249.53
8 $2,962.49
194 $4,508.57
306 -$77.86
7 $0.00
0 -$14.98
1 $8,041.66
571 106,079
1:412.8 30,995

That is one fucked up list. Unreadable. 55 trials. 9 singles. 194 recurrings. 306 rebills

Works out to 1:412 raw (things changed in the last couple hours... People sign up... shit happens...) and 1:120.6 uniques.

Edit (I don't even think I should bother wasting my fucking time...): I did a screencap - and this is as far as I'm going. I HOPE I don't have to spell it out for you - and I DO NOT give a flying fuck what you think (But why did I waste so much time doing this, you may ask? I'm kinda bored, and a little tipsy. Promote CCBill sites or don't. I don't fucking care!) I AM hoping I can impress Nikki99, though... Yowza!

Its gonna be winter in Canada soon, Nikki! Take me to the dark side...

http://www.garcemac.com/CCBill64.jpg

Trial. Single. Recurring. Rebill. Refund. Chargeback. Void. Total. Raw Clicks. Unique Clicks.

There's still three days left in the week, btw. Bada Boom Bada Bing.

There's no way he's going to be able to wrap his little mind around that concept.

I wish CCbill stats were readable

yeah, I know.

If I posted my ccbill stats I would be the laughing stock of the board. I have several sponsors that run their FHGs through their ccbill. So every click to the gallery counts as a click. Unfortunately my biggest sponsor does it this way, so my ccbill stats look terrible, even though the majority of my earnings come through ccbill. I can only watch the trends.

Bottom line is: How much is my check this week vs. the average.

Holy shit Garce makes a lot of fucking money!!!

Bow down to Garce...
Bow down to Garce...
:thumbsup:thumbsup

Ah ok, that's something I didn't know, thanks :thumbsup

Yep, you've taken it the wrong way, as you did my 'congratulations'. Well done :)

lol, ok :1orglaugh

Ignoring the 'yeah I know part', yup, and trends is what I presume jscott (along with everyone, with every sponsor) uses to identify swings. I highly doubt he was 1:19k in August, and decided to make a thread just because he hit 1:22k so far in September.

here is the issue though: if you are doing everything except the join on your "money sites" and then only measuring the ratios on join page hits to sales, your ratios will be good.

but if you have to send 10,000 people to your site to make a sale on a ccbill site, you are still looking at 1 in 10,000, you just moved the measuring sticks.

Wasn't trying to be rude with that. Came across wrong.

Thanks for the reply ccbill :)

What they said?

Fine company does not support piracy. Maybe "fine" is no more the word as it used to be.:Oh crap

Why? Just because your content might be the exactly the same as the content of another site doesn't mean slow sales are due to the processor. In fact, just the opposite. The difference would have to be in the sites themselves, or their traffic, or both.

absolutely nothing.

I was being sarcastic :Oh crap

I think you misunderstood my point. What I mean when I say 'content selection criteria' is the process one goes through when analyzing all of the different variables in determining what one feels would be the most effective 'content-end user' match. To essentially curate their website.

When someone is just starting out, they likely have to rely heavily on intuition. Given that jscott has been doing this for quite some time, he is likely also able to use a considerable amount of knowledge gained from experience and testing when choosing content that he feels will be a good match with his traffic.

So now, be it either consciously or sub-consciously, jscott likely asks himself a set of questions when deciding on content. Is this gay enough? Is this hairy enough? Is it beefy enough? etc.

Assuming that he goes through the exact same thought process when choosing a gay, hairy, beefy sponsor that uses NATS as he does when choosing a gay, hairy, beefy sponsor that uses CCBILL, it's perfectly acceptable to question whether or not the ratio disparity has anything to do with the processor.

Make sense?

I'm at 1:10K with them so far this month. Something is definitely going on.

That's what happens when CCBill abandons their loyal clients and starts processing for copyright infringing file sharing sites.

The only sales i'm still getting from CCBILL these days is rebills from old subscriptions. I'm with jscott on this one, something is majorly up over there and no one wants to admit anything. I like CCBILL, don't get me wrong - the biggest reason is combining hundreds of accounts under one and getting paid from one. If NATS could ever get that going for them, i'd seriously consider quitting all my CCBILL sponsors tommorow because their ratios are getting ridiculous, and its never their fault.

Once again, after speaking to their support, and I look at the CLICKS report for August, they happily tell me that that particular sponsor only shows 32 clicks.

Are you fucking KIDDING ME... 32 clicks from 50,000 visitors to the join page no less?

I'm going to shut up now before I really start getting frustrated.

If you are not making money, either is CCBILL.

Or unless all the sales are going to the sponsor and not the affiliate.

Ha, a catch 22. If sponsors are saying our ratios are good, then, read the first part again.

If sponsors are saying ratios are bad, then they should try other billing, or all the normal standard answers.
To much free porn
same old content
economy
and so on.

Back to the main topic, I am going to go out on a limb and say, you are saying CCBILL links for affiliate tracking are not working some point down the line. Since ccbill would be going broke if sales are that low ...

ccbill converts great..

problem with this business is one that started at year 2007... and i dont need to describe it.. if you dont know, you deserve to be fucked in the ass for being an ignorant.

The patterns I've been noticing for years now have been strange. That said unfortunately it's also generally accepted in the stock market that major volatility often telegraphs a coming major crash. I suspect we're seeing this and I suspect it will only get worse for pay site sales unless something radically changes soon.

Ok, for you that try to pick things apart too deeply

1. my epoch, verotel, nats, non-ccbill sponsors i'm making more money with

2. my ccbill is the 1 and only that just went to SUPER shit for me

....... all is generally the same traffic and i push the same style ( I ONLY always push sites niche to niche, and seo based traffic on mostly blogs or VERY low skim tgps)

so now tell me, wouldn't you see something very odd now?

People do tend to blame processors,

I know I do. But when your using the same exact traffic streams for years, and you see huge jumps in ratios, I am always inclined to think it's more on the scrubbing side.

i'm sure paulk will have a very good explanation for "temp: " stealing funds ;)