why would you join any pay site these days?

[DVTimes]

Tube sites:

* Instant (no need to download. and easy to fast forward, then move on to other clips)
* Free
* Vast Amount (one moment you can look at big boobed porn, next gangbang, then home made, and so on.....)
* High quality

Pay Sites:

* Costs Money
* Limited to what content they have
* Takes ages to download each film (a pain if you just want to watch a few seconds, then move on)


Its no wonder sales are down.

Yet there are more people than ever on the web (worldwide), so sales should be up.

The question then is why would anyone join a pay site?

To be honest if xhamster started to charge, I bet loads would pay. I would consider paying myself.

In fact would you go onto a paysite, if they gave membership for free? I do not think even then I would bother as I want to see the films then, not have to download them.

Be honest, its over for porn sites.

[CurrentlySober]

Only vanbabes.com

[Roald]

Are you sure you want to add DVTimes to your ignore list?

Yes!

[INever]

Because they know what they'll be finding inside is something they can't find anywhere else.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by INever

Because they know what they'll be finding inside is something they can't find anywhere else.

?

they want porn.

what can they find inside a porn site that is not posted on a tube site or forum?

[SGS]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Tube sites:

* Instant (no need to download. and easy to fast forward, then move on to other clips)
* Free
* Vast Amount (one moment you can look at big boobed porn, next gangbang, then home made, and so on.....)
* High quality

Pay Sites:

* Costs Money
* Limited to what content they have
* Takes ages to download each film (a pain if you just want to watch a few seconds, then move on)


Its no wonder sales are down.

Yet there are more people than ever on the web (worldwide), so sales should be up.

The question then is why would anyone join a pay site?

To be honest if xhamster started to charge, I bet loads would pay. I would consider paying myself.

In fact would you go onto a paysite, if they gave membership for free? I do not think even then I would bother as I want to see the films then, not have to download them.

Be honest, its over for porn sites.

You have been in the business for fuck knows how long and nobody has EVER joined one of your sites.

If you don't get it by now you are even more fucked than most people already think you are.

[GetSCORECash]

If you are looking for cum shots, then a tube is all you need.

Unique content, the tubes don't have it just yet.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by SGS

You have been in the business for fuck knows how long and nobody has EVER joined one of your sites.

If you don't get it by now you are even more fucked than most people already think you are.

sorry

i was watching all your films on a tube site.

not had chance to read your posts.

off back to watch your latest films on the tube sites.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by GetSCORECash

If you are looking for cum shots, then a tube is all you need.

Unique content, the tubes don't have it just yet.

not sure

they have most of the sites content now, plus homemade stuff too.

[SGS]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

sorry

i was watching all your films on a tube site.

not had chance to read your posts.

off back to watch your latest films on the tube sites.

lol, yes I bet you were. Useless fucking moron.

[DVTimes]

come on chaps, what you have said is lame.

is this the best you can do?

think this way, i am a serfer, come on convince me.

why should i join your site(s), rather than watch it all free on a tube site.

If this is the best you can do, then no wonder sales are dead.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by SGS

lol, yes I bet you were. Useless fucking moron.

xhamster.com/movies/621827/lady_sonia_and_tits_trasgu.html

your films are aqll over the tube sites?

no link to your site too.

but as you did not know, your clearly not interested.

oh well.

[SGS]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

xhamster.com/movies/621827/lady_sonia_and_tits_trasgu.html

your films are aqll over the tube sites?

no link to your site too.

but as you did not know, your clearly not interested.

oh well.

Is that fucking pig in your avatar on any tubes? lol

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by SGS

Is that fucking pig in your avatar on any tubes? lol

well as long as your cool that your content is on the tube sites, thats cool.

its no skin of my nose.

i am not having a go at you.

mabe it gets you sales.

anyway, must dash.

i have a shoot on.

will watch the last of your films tonight.

its saved me having to pay to join your site at least.

[Slick]

I'm like every guy, I like to watch porn from time to time and in my years, I've joined a few paysites to see what they had to offer and I even browsed some tubes. For me though, I just don't like tube quality and paysites are kinda limit you because once you go through the pile of content they have, it gets old.

Soooo.... for me, the best thing I found was AEBN. I buy a couple hundred minutes and there's thousands and thousands of high quality movies in any niche I want, so that's what I do, just buy minutes, no rebills and the minutes are there for me to use what I want and when And I've recurred many times Plus, not to mention, I'm paying for the porn which gets to the studios that make it when AEBN keeps buying more movies. I should probably promote them a little more and see if I can convince my surfers of how good it is.

[SGS]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

well as long as your cool that your content is on the tube sites, thats cool.

its no skin of my nose.

i am not having a go at you.

mabe it gets you sales.

anyway, must dash.

i have a shoot on.

will watch the last of your films tonight.

its saved me having to pay to join your site at least.

What about the videos of ours that *you* stole and re-watermarked?

[SGS]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

well as long as your cool that your content is on the tube sites, thats cool.

its no skin of my nose.

i am not having a go at you.

mabe it gets you sales.

anyway, must dash.

i have a shoot on.

will watch the last of your films tonight.

its saved me having to pay to join your site at least.

You were outed on another board as a content thief and a traffic trade cheat a few months back?

[Joshua G]

Tubes are shit.

The quality of the videos is mostly bad.

when you hit a link, instead of getting a video, you get another tube, or a virus.

Tubes are so spammy with ads. its hard to fap to a video with a huge flashing penis right next to it.

tube videos buffer during times of heavy traffic, are unwatchable.

they have lots of generic porn, but look for something very specific & your fucked.

the search functions are terrible, because the titles & descriptions of vids are terrible.

forget about watching tubes on mobile. joke unless you got the latest tech.


-----

Pay sites deliver.

you get a huge cache of content, far more then a DVD, for the price of a DVD.

no viruses. no spam ads sitting right next to your video.

downloaded videos do not buffer.

you can watch your downloaded clips when your internet connection is down.

only paysites provide micro-niche. Some producers even respond to customer requests & create custom footage.

[The Porn Nerd]

Okay "mate" here ya go:

The vids ppl see on the tubes are PROMOS, not full clips. True, some people post an entire 20 minute scene but for the unique content that's on MY sites, people get to see a small percentage of what's actually on the site.

Some people are still wary of viruses, worms, all kinds of nasty things that come from many "free porn" sites out there.

NO POPUP HELL - go ahead, go to a tube and click ANYwhere - POPUP! Fuck man, when I log into a PARTNER ACCOUNT I get fucking POPUPs. WTF?

You want to see the kind of porn you WANT to see, WHEN you want to see it, not go to the online equivalent of a Redlight District, with things FLASHING AT YOU all the damn time.

I don't WANT to be bombarded with cam and dating ads (that POPUP or are FLASHING NONSTOP on a fucking page)

I don't want anyone in my family clicking on my Internet History or Favorites and see XPORN all over it. Maybe an odd site here or there but when you go to click on it you get a password prompt. More family-friendly.

When I go to a Tube and search for, say, 'short-haired blondes giving messy blowjobs" God KNOWS what the fuck comes up in the search (not what I'm looking for or maybe 3-4 old clips). Fuck, try typing in 'big-boobed brunettes with natural tits who fuck doggy-style POV-style' and see what you get. LOL With a paysite in my niche I get what I want, when I want it, no hassles, no searching, no frustration.

Value. Say WHAT????? Okay, maybe a single site or two, for $24.95 per month, isn't a great deal but what about 30 sites, thousands of DVDs, hundreds of feeds, etc etc? More porn than you could watch in a lifetime is the case with most paysites (good ones) these days.

STREAM YOUR VIDEOS IN THE MEMBERS AREA. Offer (relatively) crappy, highly-watermarked downloadable versions but keep the HD streaming-only. There, no download waiting hassles. Lessens Piracy, too.

If you want a quick three-minute cum pop on your lunch break, or before you go to bed with wifey who doesn't fuck you anymore, then maybe a tube with somegeneric porn pumping will work for you. But you want something...something...um...good? unique? Rare? Interesting? Join a paysite you fancy.

Paysites will more than likely attempt to stay connected to you - member emails, chat, a community, updates, etc etc. A tube? They go for NUMBERS, not (necassarily) individual attention. Some people like to feel special and "catered to".

Let's see, what else? How about supporting porn you like and want to see more of? On a tube (or a freesite, or TGP, anywhere) you get whatever's been posted. You can "support" the content you like by views/clicks but not in the same way you can support your fave porn via a paysite. Want more blowjob videos from your fave star? Ask for it! Chances are you'll get it. Maybe even a nice note from a porn star.

I could go on and on but (hopefully) you see the point.

[Agent 488]

you are going to the wrong tube. you could argue that 95% of paysites suck and are a rip off as well.

Originally Posted by joshgirls

Tubes are shit.

The quality of the videos is mostly bad.

when you hit a link, instead of getting a video, you get another tube, or a virus.

Tubes are so spammy with ads. its hard to fap to a video with a huge flashing penis right next to it.

tube videos buffer during times of heavy traffic, are unwatchable.

they have lots of generic porn, but look for something very specific & your fucked.

the search functions are terrible, because the titles & descriptions of vids are terrible.

forget about watching tubes on mobile. joke unless you got the latest tech.

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Tube sites:

* Instant (no need to download. and easy to fast forward, then move on to other clips)
* Free
* Vast Amount (one moment you can look at big boobed porn, next gangbang, then home made, and so on.....)
* High quality

Often times tube clips are crunched and shitty. Often times tubes have annoying pop-ups.
Tubes do not have complete scenes.

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Pay Sites:

* Costs Money
* Limited to what content they have
* Takes ages to download each film (a pain if you just want to watch a few seconds, then move on)

Pay sites if they are good... Have excellent quality video downloads, full sets of photos, should have exclusive content.

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Its no wonder sales are down.

Maybe you are not promoting the right stuff. Sales for me even after just a few months of blogging are good for me, and several programs are doing outstanding right now.
MOST Programs are failing hard, while a few are doing incredibly well and growing.

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Be honest, its over for porn sites.

Far from it. I am sorry if you are failing not every one else is. Most people are failing because they promote garbage shit sites and deserve shit in return from there traffic.

Every fucking day I see some program bragging about $100 PPS, $200PPS.

That is stupid as fuck all shit, usually the content is not exclusive, the program uses 1 click upgrade tricks, they cross sale the consumers and sell out the email addresses. Fuck that...

Sorry those programs shit all over the consumer and the consumer knows it, and you know it. So why do that to people? Seriously the content is the same shit on most pay sites from the same 3-5 main providers in canned content deals, not to mention, the tours are old, the program is old, they have no support. WTF DO YOU EXPECT?

I spend a lot of time looking at sites and programs and you are right. a good portion of the industry is sucking ass, and they fucking deserve it. I hope they die horribly of rectal cancer. You just got to be more discerning in what you promote.

So say most of you are promoting shit for brain websites you deserve shit for brains income.

I have very simple rules when promoting a programs:
They shoot exclusive?
They Have newer tours?
They do cross sales? Got leaks on tour?

I promote programs with no cross sales, no pops, exclusive content ONLY, with updated tours and active support. If a programs is missing any of those I will not fucking touch it.

And lastly and most importantly ask yourself this simple question...
IF YOU WOULD NOT FUCKING BUY IT THEN ITS NOT WORTH PROMOTING

[NemesisEnforcer]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Tube sites:

* Instant (no need to download. and easy to fast forward, then move on to other clips)
* Free
* Vast Amount (one moment you can look at big boobed porn, next gangbang, then home made, and so on.....)
* High quality

Pay Sites:

* Costs Money
* Limited to what content they have
* Takes ages to download each film (a pain if you just want to watch a few seconds, then move on)

"Instant" and "High quality" should also be under "Pay Sites".

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by SGS

You were outed on another board as a content thief and a traffic trade cheat a few months back?

Now THIS is interesting... What's the story ??

[SGS]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Now THIS is interesting... What's the story ??

In our particular case he was caught using our video trailers and re-watermarking them to send the traffic to his own site/s and then on another well known webmaster board which allows links to promo content / FHGs etc he was caught using a script to cheat with and had all of his links removed.

[wehateporn]

If there was a hot girl like Jessica Burciaga who had had a non nude tease/glamor site for many years, you never thought she was going to show more, but then one she does.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by SGS

In our particular case he was caught using our video trailers and re-watermarking them to send the traffic to his own site/s and then on another well known webmaster board which allows links to promo content / FHGs etc he was caught using a script to cheat with and had all of his links removed.

Ouch. Guess he'll have trouble overcoming his first (and second) impressions with you then, eh? LOL

I see this "industry" this way: there are two types of people running Pay sites these days.

1. Those with long-term thinking. People who expect and plan for being in business (THIS business) for years to come. So they have support, updates, are relatively on top of things because hey, it's their BIZNIZZ baby.

2. Short-term thinkers. People who throw up content whereever and however they can find outlets for it (clip stores, paysites, tubes, ads, wherever). They do this in, say, January with only ONE goal in mind:
"Let's see how much I can make by Springtime so I can buy a Harley."

There ya go. Choose your business partners wisely.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Tube sites:

* Instant (no need to download. and easy to fast forward, then move on to other clips)
* Free
* Vast Amount (one moment you can look at big boobed porn, next gangbang, then home made, and so on.....)
* High quality

Tube= * High quality ?
* Instant = you mean no need to download something ?

[papill0n]

strong contender for gfy idiot of the year

[Loki]

I've personally checked out some of the big tube sites that just pull stuff from other tube sites, was given 2 links by a neighbor or mine and asked "are these safe?"

tubegalore and fuq were the two sites, and, they link off to such tubes as dr tuber, mofo, videoc and others and 90% of the videos I clicked on sent me to POP UP HELL, and 6 - 10 times my browser would crash.

So.... why pay for porn you ask? well if you're not a web savvy person and don't have ad blockers installed and you don't want your browser to crash paying for porn is not that far fetched.

(I DO myself have ad blockers installed but I turned them off for my "tests" FYI)

-Loki-

[V_RocKs]

I only buy niche sites now.. Stuff tubes pass on because it isn't mainstream enough to sit on the front page for long.

[dyna mo]

we all know what the OP is getting at, he's just being so obtuse about it, it's annoying and distracting.

why would (do) i join paysites these days?

1. complete quality scene(s)
2. specific niche
3. A LOT of still pictures. LOTS...

distant 4th:
4. support the cause/interact

[Agent 488]

google "porn" and any of the sites on the first page have one pop if that a few ads and every scene imaginable. nothing dodgy or browser crashing.

no point putting ones head in the sand.

Originally Posted by Loki

I've personally checked out some of the big tube sites that just pull stuff from other tube sites, was given 2 links by a neighbor or mine and asked "are these safe?"

tubegalore and fuq were the two sites, and, they link off to such tubes as dr tuber, mofo, videoc and others and 90% of the videos I clicked on sent me to POP UP HELL, and 6 - 10 times my browser would crash.

So.... why pay for porn you ask? well if you're not a web savvy person and don't have ad blockers installed and you don't want your browser to crash paying for porn is not that far fetched.

(I DO myself have ad blockers installed but I turned them off for my "tests" FYI)

-Loki-

[docsfreakyflixxx]

WOW, really..i have like 7 sites, but im actually a paying member of a amateur site..And no i don't pull from there...Of course member driven pay-sites are the best IMO cuz you no your gna get new content daily..Ive had RK membership for a few months as well...

[therandom9]

Tubes have shitty quality and the same gis over and over. That works sometines unless you have more specific tastes.

[Loki]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

google "porn" and any of the sites on the first page have one pop if that a few ads and every scene imaginable. nothing dodgy or browser crashing.

no point putting ones head in the sand.

I'm talking about the big tube farms, the same ones that are talked about almost daily be Stern, Bubba, Ferrel and others.

No head in the sand at all, MANY of these "bigger" tubes launch so many ads and popups that the browser just closes (unless you have an ad blocker running) here's a shot I just took of vids2c (the one I called videoC in my prior post)


I've marked the ads with squares, 5 of the ads on that page are "floaters" (Left, Right and flash vid bottom right'ish side) the other 2 are below and they pop up to your eyes the moment you move the screen.

the page threw 4 popups at me, one being livejasmin (LiveJasmin ads are what normally crashes firefox on me lol)

I know ads are a staple, always have been always will in some way shape or form, but to me this is no diff then years ago when "free porn sites" were filled with malware and other "fun stuff" all it takes is your browser crashing on you once to make you not want to visit the site again free or not.

All I was saying is that people I've talked to around here don't 'trust' tube sites and the example above is a perfect example of why they might not trust them.

-Loki-

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Loki

I'm talking about the big tube farms, the same ones that are talked about almost daily be Stern, Bubba, Ferrel and others.

No head in the sand at all, MANY of these "bigger" tubes launch so many ads and popups that the browser just closes (unless you have an ad blocker running) here's a shot I just took of vids2c (the one I called videoC in my prior post)


I've marked the ads with squares, 5 of the ads on that page are "floaters" (Left, Right and flash vid bottom right'ish side) the other 2 are below and they pop up to your eyes the moment you move the screen.

the page threw 4 popups at me, one being livejasmin (LiveJasmin ads are what normally crashes firefox on me lol)

I know ads are a staple, always have been always will in some way shape or form, but to me this is no diff then years ago when "free porn sites" were filled with malware and other "fun stuff" all it takes is your browser crashing on you once to make you not want to visit the site again free or not.

All I was saying is that people I've talked to around here don't 'trust' tube sites and the example above is a perfect example of why they might not trust them.

-Loki-

Excellent points Loki! Well done Sir.

[waltgator]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

come on chaps, what you have said is lame.

is this the best you can do?

think this way, i am a serfer, come on convince me.

why should i join your site(s), rather than watch it all free on a tube site.

If this is the best you can do, then no wonder sales are dead.

well, its like this..you drink water...but you by bottled water...(yes-hopefully)
but why when its free at home..? well the taste or quality is better...(no it isn't)
some people will still pay for what they like or quality of porn..so yes tube sites are there but not everyone goes there...

cheers

[nikki99]

Originally Posted by therandom9

Tubes have shitty quality and the same gis over and over. That works sometines unless you have more specific tastes.

welcome to GFY

[Agent 488]

yeah they are talked about on stern because they are advertisers, but tubes like pornhub, keez, xnxx, youporn, xvideos etc have none of that crap and suck up most of the traffic.

those tubes you mention are just bottom feeders of the main ones.

no average surfer talks about paysites irl. they talk about spankwire.

Originally Posted by Loki

I'm talking about the big tube farms, the same ones that are talked about almost daily be Stern, Bubba, Ferrel and others.

No head in the sand at all, MANY of these "bigger" tubes launch so many ads and popups that the browser just closes (unless you have an ad blocker running) here's a shot I just took of vids2c (the one I called videoC in my prior post)


I've marked the ads with squares, 5 of the ads on that page are "floaters" (Left, Right and flash vid bottom right'ish side) the other 2 are below and they pop up to your eyes the moment you move the screen.

the page threw 4 popups at me, one being livejasmin (LiveJasmin ads are what normally crashes firefox on me lol)

I know ads are a staple, always have been always will in some way shape or form, but to me this is no diff then years ago when "free porn sites" were filled with malware and other "fun stuff" all it takes is your browser crashing on you once to make you not want to visit the site again free or not.

All I was saying is that people I've talked to around here don't 'trust' tube sites and the example above is a perfect example of why they might not trust them.

-Loki-

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by SGS

In our particular case he was caught using our video trailers and re-watermarking them to send the traffic to his own site/s and then on another well known webmaster board which allows links to promo content / FHGs etc he was caught using a script to cheat with and had all of his links removed.

why not get it correct, rather than youre bull.

i had a blog where i hosted vids to promote sites. as they were hotlinked by other sites i added a second url to the vids to sytop hotlinking. the original url was still on the vid. no big deal. the clips were promo clips that he gave out, not taken from his site

all the vids had ther affiliate link to the site.

it got sites sales.

but what is funny is he keeps making out this is a big deal, but ignores the fact his films are in full on tube sites, often with the site url removed and no links to his site.

but of couse he likes to keep saying i stole vids??? i do not care, all his vids are on tube sites and due to this he is loosing tons of sales. so let him harp on. no skin of my nose. i just giggle at all the money he is loosing, and he shows he does not care.

as for this script he says i used to cheat???? wtf??? what script. its only recently that i worked out hoew to load a script to a server, so in no way did i use a script to cheat or not cheat.

but to be honest i do not care. he looses sales all the time.

these days i am doing other projects. far too busy to care.

so acuse me of what you like, i do not care, got too much on.

ps

love the latest lady sonia clip that was just uploaded to a tube site. i hope you thank your members for uploading your films.

and i do know people are not joining as they can get your content on tube sites as i have seen them post that on a few forums.

oh well.

clearly you do not care.

so spend your time making stuff up aqbout me. for some reason you think i care. i just think your a joke who is spening all his money shooting content only to let his members upload it for free.

crazy

[dgraves]

tubes can't charge because they would no longer be protected by DMCA.

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Tube sites:

* Instant (no need to download. and easy to fast forward, then move on to other clips)
* Free
* Vast Amount (one moment you can look at big boobed porn, next gangbang, then home made, and so on.....)
* High quality

Pay Sites:

* Costs Money
* Limited to what content they have
* Takes ages to download each film (a pain if you just want to watch a few seconds, then move on)


Its no wonder sales are down.

Yet there are more people than ever on the web (worldwide), so sales should be up.

The question then is why would anyone join a pay site?

To be honest if xhamster started to charge, I bet loads would pay. I would consider paying myself.

In fact would you go onto a paysite, if they gave membership for free? I do not think even then I would bother as I want to see the films then, not have to download them.

Be honest, its over for porn sites.

People still signup. It's all about content.
Micro niche is the only way these days as for paysites.

Cams are still working but you need to be listed on SE's, mostly for micro niches.
Plain Tube/tgp etc traffic ain't worth it.

Dating is the same (works with micro niches too)

Phone sex sells (again micro niches)

Toys/machines are great !