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will76 · 05-17-2011, 08:34 AM

Ok, i am waiting to receive one of these in the mail so maybe I can understand why Xbiz is going to be a viable company even after the rest of adult becomes a ghost town.

CollegeGuy · 05-17-2011, 09:52 AM

Stephen · 05-17-2011, 09:57 AM

These threads are hilarious: the same three or four losers (augmented by their collection of fake nicks) have been trying to discredit XBIZ and anything related to it for years, all due to their own misguided agendas ? sweeping along some of the more easily fooled ? few if any of whom have ever been to one of our several annual shows; read any of our three print magazines (which cover the online arena, ?video guys? and novelty/retail); or visited any of our websites or other resources.

These critics simply do not know what they?re talking about ? and think ?bad mouthing? XBIZ will help them and their friends ?compete? against us. Yawn. It?s like the kids here that rag on FOX News but have never seen it.

XBIZ is the largest and most diversified adult media organization today. If you want to discuss vulnerable companies in the market, why not look at YNOT or hahahahahahaha? They do not have the market share, appeal or diversification to survive much longer ? but that would mean our critics here would be looking in the mirror, instead.

It?s not the adult entertainment industry that?s going to be a ghost town; it?s the affiliate space that has tumbleweeds rolling down its main street ? and affiliates make up the bulk of GFY?s audience, so the view here is bound to be skewed. This board being owned by our only competitor doesn?t make things better.

XBIZ is not ?going away? ? it?s growing ? and has been growing for the 10 years I?ve been with it.

The people and companies that are profiting from adult today have already changed from who they were a couple of years ago ? and they aren?t piss-ant board monkeys: they are business people representing real companies that want to do business like adults, not ?fuck themselves.?

I didn?t want to bother responding to this or the other ?We hate XBIZ? threads because the folks that fuel them won?t be satisfied by facts or reason; they simply want to hate and to lie, because they are frustrated losers who are unable to compete.

Maybe if they had a job or a juice box after naptime, they would be in a better mood.

On another note, I see a lot of ?proof or ban? demands on this board ? and I would make them too, demanding that those who claim that XBIZ supports .XXX show proof or be banned (and I don?t mean point at a poll that was voted on by the industry, not by XBIZ, as some kind of ?proof?).

But why bother with such demands? Fake nicks are easy enough to replace.

Well, I?m done my morning coffee and have money to make. Find out how at XBIZ.

MOxxx · 05-17-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

XBIZ is the largest and most diversified adult media organization today. If you want to discuss vulnerable companies in the market, why not look at YNOT or hahahahahahaha? They do not have the market share, appeal or diversification to survive much longer ? but that would mean our critics here would be looking in the mirror, instead.

Vulnerable to what?

Next time you'll wake up you'll realized that the wind is changing for the simple fact that YNOT staff is smarter, brighter and with a better ethic. We try to innovate and not copy.

YNOT has struggled for years but now things have changed, we are solid , we are at service of the industry and not trying to fool everybody having a box with a lot of "appeal " and nice look but completely empty on the inside.

We have already did great things in less than one year and more will come out soon, so if i were in you i wouldn't sleep that comfortably.

Fat Panda · 05-17-2011, 10:54 AM

nothing but fluff stories promoting advertisers...would never read the rag or website

will76 · 05-17-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

These threads are hilarious: the same three or four losers (augmented by their collection of fake nicks) have been trying to discredit XBIZ and anything related to it for years, all due to their own misguided agendas — sweeping along some of the more easily fooled — few if any of whom have ever been to one of our several annual shows; read any of our three print magazines (which cover the online arena, ‘video guys’ and novelty/retail); or visited any of our websites or other resources.

These critics simply do not know what they’re talking about — and think “bad mouthing” XBIZ will help them and their friends “compete” against us. Yawn. It’s like the kids here that rag on FOX News but have never seen it.

XBIZ is the largest and most diversified adult media organization today. If you want to discuss vulnerable companies in the market, why not look at YNOT or hahahahahahaha? They do not have the market share, appeal or diversification to survive much longer — but that would mean our critics here would be looking in the mirror, instead.

It’s not the adult entertainment industry that’s going to be a ghost town; it’s the affiliate space that has tumbleweeds rolling down its main street — and affiliates make up the bulk of GFY’s audience, so the view here is bound to be skewed. This board being owned by our only competitor doesn’t make things better.

XBIZ is not “going away” — it’s growing — and has been growing for the 10 years I’ve been with it.

The people and companies that are profiting from adult today have already changed from who they were a couple of years ago — and they aren’t piss-ant board monkeys: they are business people representing real companies that want to do business like adults, not “fuck themselves.”

I didn’t want to bother responding to this or the other “We hate XBIZ” threads because the folks that fuel them won’t be satisfied by facts or reason; they simply want to hate and to lie, because they are frustrated losers who are unable to compete.

Maybe if they had a job or a juice box after naptime, they would be in a better mood.

On another note, I see a lot of “proof or ban” demands on this board — and I would make them too, demanding that those who claim that XBIZ supports .XXX show proof or be banned (and I don’t mean point at a poll that was voted on by the industry, not by XBIZ, as some kind of “proof”).

But why bother with such demands? Fake nicks are easy enough to replace.

Well, I’m done my morning coffee and have money to make. Find out how at XBIZ.

Yes Stephen, Me and Atticus are widely know around these parts as fake nicks.

I don't think Xbiz is in the same league as haha or Ynot. I think Xbiz is a bigger company than those sites, and right up there with AVN. HOWEVER, you can blow your own horn all you want about your trade shows, magazines and news / resource websites. Everything you mentioned that Xbiz does is based off of two things: An industry of readers/users who will read your shit and go to your shows and a base of clients (companies) that buy ads on your sites, mags, and booths at your shows. If the adult industry shrinks, and *gasps* becomes a ghost town as one Xbiz shill has mentioned here, then how do you plan on continuing to grow.

I don't knock Xbiz because of your obvious connections to ICM and .xxx or for any other reasons. Why I think Xbiz is not such a viable company as bragged about here is because of the shear nature that your business relies 100% on the adult industry being viable, which over the last couple years has pointed to the industry shrinking, less people going to shows, less companies staying in business and a lot less companies buying ads.

Oh and go ahead and try to get me banned for this thread: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1019639 Good luck.

It is very clear what the connections are, and what the bullshit is. I posted facts and proof to all of the allegations. So go fuck yourself.

Connor · 05-17-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

XBIZ is the largest and most diversified adult media organization today. If you want to discuss vulnerable companies in the market, why not look at YNOT or hahahahahahaha? They do not have the market share, appeal or diversification to survive much longer — but that would mean our critics here would be looking in the mirror, instead.

Thanks for the free plug Stephen.

I don't think you have access to any information about YNOT's market share though, so I don't know where this is coming from. YNOT as you know was the original adult Internet resource site... and it has survived over the years because our audience does find that the site has a lot of appeal. And that audience is why YNOT enjoys strong support from its large list of sponsors. We're targeted right at B2B and don't try to pad with consumer porn news that attracts surfers, because that doesn't help our sponsors. We receive regular positive audience feedback about the quality of the content that we publish, and I think you'll find that it stacks up with anyone's in that regard. I couldn't be happier with the job that Kathee has done managing our writers and publishing important and relevant articles. I'm especially proud of the job she's done covering the .XXX news lately. We don't try to be first out with a story, we just try to get them right.

And of course our company extends beyond just YNOT.com. We launched the first and only EU news and resource site last year, YNOTeurope.com, which continues to grow. Our summer show was always intended to be a smaller, more intimate add-on to Internext, but I'm pretty sure it out-drew your summer Vegas show last year, so again, must be doing something right. ;)

We launched YNOT Mail this year, which is off to a great start. The YNOT Grand Prix was a blast in Phoenix. We're partnering with the European Summit for the YNOT Awards in Prague in a few months. And we have a new business service that we will be launching very soon, details coming.

So to be honest with you, things couldn't be better for us, and I appreciate this opportunity to discuss all of the things that YNOT has going on at the moment.

webair · 05-17-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Connor

Thanks for the free plug Stephen.

I don't think you have access to any information about YNOT's market share though, so I don't know where this is coming from. YNOT as you know was the original adult Internet resource site... and it has survived over the years because our audience does find that the site has a lot of appeal. And that audience is why YNOT enjoys strong support from its large list of sponsors. We're targeted right at B2B and don't try to pad with consumer porn news that attracts surfers, because that doesn't help our sponsors. We receive regular positive audience feedback about the quality of the content that we publish, and I think you'll find that it stacks up with anyone's in that regard. I couldn't be happier with the job that Kathee has done managing our writers and publishing important and relevant articles. I'm especially proud of the job she's done covering the .XXX news lately. We don't try to be first out with a story, we just try to get them right.

And of course our company extends beyond just YNOT.com. We launched the first and only EU news and resource site last year, YNOTeurope.com, which continues to grow. Our summer show was always intended to be a smaller, more intimate add-on to Internext, but I'm pretty sure it out-drew your summer Vegas show last year, so again, must be doing something right. ;)

We launched YNOT Mail this year, which is off to a great start. The YNOT Grand Prix was a blast in Phoenix. We're partnering with the European Summit for the YNOT Awards in Prague in a few months. And we have a new business service that we will be launching very soon, details coming.

So to be honest with you, things couldn't be better for us, and I appreciate this opportunity to discuss all of the things that YNOT has going on at the moment.

Did you guys ever get around to fixing that horrific chat board you had? Uyy that was torturous!

IMHO, I think XBIZ is a great company. They have always had their ear to the ground, offered much more in the way of creativity than their competition, and write some very interesting commentary. Working with Moe, Alex, & Kristen over the past 8 years or so has been a pleasure. I would HUMBLY agree that being the recipient of the XBIZ awards on multiple occasions has definitely boosted sales. Additionally, I think critics would have a tough time naming another show / convention that is up to par with how XBIZ does it.

Keep up the good work guys!

BTW - If it's GTS MARK approved it's definitely for me!

HELMY · 05-17-2011, 12:01 PM

Ouch!

Agent 488 · 05-17-2011, 12:04 PM

proof or ban.

Barefootsies · 05-17-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

These threads are hilarious: the same three or four losers

Now you've gone and done it foo.... will76 is going to start driving by your house.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

It?s not the adult entertainment industry that?s going to be a ghost town; it?s the affiliate space that has tumbleweeds rolling down its main street ? and affiliates make up the bulk of GFY?s audience, so the view here is bound to be skewed.

Connor · 05-17-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by webair

Did you guys ever get around to fixing that horrific chat board you had? Uyy that was torturous!

That's the second time Webair has taken a shot at us on GFY... last time I was surprised, since we're a former client and that's so unprofessional of you, but this time I'll respond honestly.

For a long time we used Webair as our host. And for years, we got comments about how YNOT loaded so slowly. We thought it had something to do with the old CMS that we used not being efficient, so we spend a LOT of time trying to improve that. Yet the comments kept coming in... the board was slow, slow, slow. Finally, we got an offer from Rackco to host with them, and we switched. And guess what... all our speed problems instantly went a \way with the same software.

We're now using Mojo and no speed problems there either... everything runs great.

As for the board's software, yup it's updated. But YNOT isn't a chat board. That hasn't been our intention since like 2001, and it isn't why people use YNOT.com.

So I assume Webair that you're trying to impress your friend there, who so quickly posted after you as if hit up on ICQ or something, but until now out of professional courtesy I haven't gone public with our experience with Webair. I'd be happy to get current and former tech staff in here to talk about our experience with Webair too if you want.

Stephen · 05-17-2011, 12:20 PM

You know Will, you weren’t one of the fake nicks I was referring to, but you are a guy that never fails to jump on the bandwagon, for whatever personal reasons motivate you and I don't get it.

I never claimed that “adult is a ghost town,” so I don’t know why that continues to be trumpeted, or used as a reason for supposing XBIZ’ demise.

Rather, I personally believe that the online adult entertainment industry is improving — the cream is rising to the top; and as the economy improves, there are increasing profits for the innovators that capitalize on the profound changes happening right in front of you.

Rather than “less companies,” notice the “new companies,” or still-successful established operators — our events draw folks you won’t see elsewhere: folks in suits, with budgets and business plans.

A lot of business is being done today, but it’s being done by adults — not by folks that think telling someone to “go fuck yourself” is an appropriate form of communication — and that is one MAJOR factor that I’ll point to as a reason for our ongoing success:

XBIZ is by and for professionals.

It’s like Vegas: squalid mob-run poker rooms gave way to corporate-run mega resorts, which make far more money than the early “gangsters” and mom-and-pops ever did.

Do you think the “old guard” was happy about the changes? Of course not, but big business had its way and changed the Vegas dynamic; and its visitor’s expectations.

The same thing is happening in adult today and XBIZ reflects and reports on it.

There’s a line in Super Troopers describing the haters: “Desperation is a stinky cologne.”

JFK · 05-17-2011, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by webair

Did you guys ever get around to fixing that horrific chat board you had? Uyy that was torturous!

IMHO, I think XBIZ is a great company. They have always had their ear to the ground, offered much more in the way of creativity than their competition, and write some very interesting commentary. Working with Moe, Alex, & Kristen over the past 8 years or so has been a pleasure. I would HUMBLY agree that being the recipient of the XBIZ awards on multiple occasions has definitely boosted sales. Additionally, I think critics would have a tough time naming another show / convention that is up to par with how XBIZ does it.

Keep up the good work guys!

BTW - If it's GTS MARK approved it's definitely for me!

Yeah, but dont forget, GTS Mark is Canadian EH ?

LAJ · 05-17-2011, 12:26 PM

I can attest to the Webair debacle. Hardly a day would go by without someone complaining to me about how slow YNOT would load. Thank christ that's over.

Anyway Connor said what needed to be said.

You are a class act Mike and doing Webair proud no doubt... worthy of an award!

webair · 05-17-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Connor

That's the second time Webair has taken a shot at us on GFY... last time I was surprised, this time I'll respond honestly.

For a long time we used Webair as our host. And for years, we got comments about how YNOT loaded so slowly. We thought it had something to do with the old CMS that we used not being efficient, so we spend a LOT of time trying to improve that. Yet the comments kept coming in... the board was slow, slow, slow. Finally, we got an offer from Rackco to host with them, and we switched. And guess what... all our speed problems instantly went a \way with the same software.

We're now using Mojo and no speed problems there either... everything runs great.

As for the board's software, yup it's updated. But YNOT isn't a chat board. That hasn't been our intention since like 2001, and it isn't why people use YNOT.com.

So I assume Webair that you're trying to impress your friend there, who so quickly posted after you as if hit up on ICQ or something, but until now out of professional courtesy I haven't gone public with our experience with Webair. I'd be happy to get current and former tech staff in here to talk about our experience with Webair too if you want.

Wow i didn't mean it in a bad way. It was just the worst chat forum I had ever used! I was hoping you had changed it. Perhaps I would have considered using YNOT again =)

With regard to hosting with Webair? And the speed of our network? Please Connor...

Perhaps that was due to the 5 ft, 750lb, 1997 hewlett packard server you sent over to colo with us? You know the one that ran on diesel fuel ;) But hey, what do i know! BTW you never did pick that up. I have a good mind to charge you storage fees! That in combination with the way your site was programmed (ie. chat board), It was a wonder YNOT even made it to the internet! Don't blame me for your issues. Had you listened to our recommendations you wouldn't have had any!

Your attitude and charm are almost as welcoming as Jay's! You know the guy that only seems to contact people when he wants to sell an ad, or an invite to a show. Sorry man we don't buy ads from companies with people like that running it. Bring back YNOT BOB and perhaps we can talk, he was the only good thing you had going for you guys!

Your response is a classic example as to why we choose long ago no to work with YNOT.

LAJ · 05-17-2011, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by webair

Your attitude and charm are almost as welcoming as Jay's! You know the guy that only seems to contact people when he wants to sell an ad, or an invite to a show. Sorry man we don't buy ads from companies with people like that running it.

I can assure you mike that I'm a lot more charming than Connor, but on the flip side, he's much smarter than I.

Back when I thought you were a good businessman, you had no interest in buying ads back then either. And it was us who decided to stop working with you. So no need to grandstand here.

I'll be sure to remove you from my spam list though.

Connor · 05-17-2011, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by webair

Wow i didn't mean it in a bad way. It was just the worst chat forum I had ever used! I was hoping you had changed it. Perhaps I would have considered using YNOT again =)

You didn't mean it in a BAD way? That's hall of fame spin right there.

The funny thing is... we sent you new servers, thinking that was gonna be the big fix, and that didn't help. Sllllooowww. Some tell another lie. Those servers we DID get back, by the way. The others we told you that you could throw away, which you offered to do. And as to your claims that it was possibly the software... funny how that all went away when we switched to Rackco?

If you really want to persist on this, we can bring in Cash or Jim Ruga or Aaron or Chris to talk about what happened when we switched from Webair, and all the money we lost before switching while trying to stick with you and address the problem. Or we can just dig up old emails.

Then after all that grief we got from using your service, you take regular shots at a former client on the message boards to make your current buddy happy? I think that should serve as a warning to anyone who either 1) is using Webair, or 2) is considering using Webair, about how you guys conduct business.

MOxxx · 05-17-2011, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by webair

Did you guys ever get around to fixing that horrific chat board you had? Uyy that was torturous!

IMHO, I think XBIZ is a great company. They have always had their ear to the ground, offered much more in the way of creativity than their competition, and write some very interesting commentary. Working with Moe, Alex, & Kristen over the past 8 years or so has been a pleasure. I would HUMBLY agree that being the recipient of the XBIZ awards on multiple occasions has definitely boosted sales. Additionally, I think critics would have a tough time naming another show / convention that is up to par with how XBIZ does it.

Keep up the good work guys!

BTW - If it's GTS MARK approved it's definitely for me!

Ass kissing - lesson 1, Teacher Mr Webair.

webair · 05-17-2011, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

I can assure you mike that I'm a lot more charming than Connor, but on the flip side, he's much smarter than I.

Back when I thought you were a good businessman, you had no interest in buying ads back then either. And it was us who decided to stop working with you. So no need to grandstand here.

I'll be sure to remove you from my spam list though.

Thanks Jay. I'd appreciate that, as your unsubscribe link does not seem to work so well.

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Originally Posted by Connor

You didn't mean it in a BAD way? That's hall of fame spin right there.

The funny thing is... we sent you new servers, thinking that was gonna be the big fix, and that didn't help. Sllllooowww. Some tell another lie. Those servers we DID get back, by the way. The others we told you that you could throw away, which you offered to do. And as to your claims that it was possibly the software... funny how that all went away when we switched to Rackco?

If you really want to persist on this, we can bring in Cash or Jim Ruga or Aaron or Chris to talk about what happened when we switched from Webair, and all the money we lost before switching while trying to stick with you and address the problem. Or we can just dig up old emails.

Then after all that grief we got from using your service, you take regular shots at a former client on the message boards to make your current buddy happy? I think that should serve as a warning to anyone who either 1) is using Webair, or 2) is considering using Webair, about how you guys conduct business.

Or we can bring YNOT Bob in to verify? Sorry Connor. Your ranting holds no water. Let's just agree to disagree and move on...

BTW - http://speedtest.webair.com

Atticus · 05-17-2011, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Now you've gone and done it foo.... will76 is going to start driving by your house.

Since you're back and have yet to answer the question I'll give it a try one more time.

You said when adult is a ghost town XBiz will be one of the last viable companies standing.

This has nothing to do with affiliates, you said 'last viable companies standing'. So please enlighten us noobs. If XBiz is one of the 'last viable companies standing' who will be placing ads in their trade or attending their shows? What will make them one of the 'last viable companies' standing? What do they currently have in place to replace the falling revenues when those ad dollars disappear?

I personally believe XBiz will be around in 12-24 months but I also don't think adult will be a 'ghost town' either. But you apparently do. So enlighten us. How will XBiz remain profitable, let alone be one of the last viable companies standing, when adult is a ghost town in 12-24 months (your words)? Or were you just blindly kissing ass?

CaptainHowdy · 05-17-2011, 01:02 PM

Too much explaining is suspicious too ...

JFK · 05-17-2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Too much explaining is suspicious too ...

which part ?

Connor · 05-17-2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by webair

Sorry Connor. Your ranting holds no water. Let's just agree to disagree and move on...

No rants here, just finally saying what happened since you decided that professional courtesy doesn't apply to your former clients.

As for holding no water... the problem with that comment is, I can prove everything I'm saying here. If you don't like this information being explained to the good folks here at GFY, then I think maybe taking an unnecessary and unprovoked shot at a former client wasn't the best course of action.

Rackco was always professional and provided great service. Mojo is always professional and is doing a fantastic job. I'd happily recommend them both.

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-17-2011, 01:12 PM

Dear XBIZ - Can you guys officially deny you're support for .XXX?

I for one would really like to know XBIZ position on this.

webair · 05-17-2011, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Connor

No rants here, just finally saying what happened since you decided that professional courtesy doesn't apply to your former clients.

As for holding no water... the problem with that comment is, I can prove everything I'm saying here. If you don't like this information being explained to the good folks here at GFY, then I think maybe taking an unnecessary and unprovoked shot at a former client wasn't the best course of action.

Rackco was always professional and provided great service. Mojo is always professional and is doing a fantastic job. I'd happily recommend them both.

Not necessary. You win YNOT is the best...

Carry on...

RyuLion · 05-17-2011, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GTS Mark

I'm an xbiz advertiser and they don't seem to be slowing down at all? Their social network is incredible and I've pulled plenty of business from them over the past couple of years.

marketsmart · 05-17-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by webair

BTW - http://speedtest.webair.com

i am enjoying watching you ladies battle, but that speed test is a fucking joke..

it doesnt prove anything about your speed since you could shove dozens of servers on a switch with a shared 100 Mb port and the customer would be slower than dog shit..

while another customer had a dedicated port and he would be a lot faster...

with that being said...

you bitches carry on with the fighting..

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Vendzilla · 05-17-2011, 01:21 PM

Wow, this just turned ugly
Ynot, Xbiz fighting it out on an AVN site, who would have thought.

As far as the whole Xbiz being behind XXX, I don't see it, why would they run this?
http://www.xbiz.net/xhr.php?c=home.p...33268&choice=4
You can vote yourself right now on XBiz.net on the home page

As for myself, I spend time on XBIZ, Ynot and GFY, just like I don't listen to one news source in the nightly news.
You have to get your information from more than one source!

dropped9 · 05-17-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

OMG Barefootsies don't let the cat out of the bag!

Many of us still around here worked in adult long before we even posted on this board. I worked in adult for almost 7 years before ever posting here. (97-02).

But I will say what Lensman did with this board is true genius. However all these years later it is more of a curse to those of us still here for actual business. I come here daily and learn new things all the time.

I guess the trolls are entertainment. Like gerbils keeping the wheels warm and in motion while the rest of us either work or rest. The downside is they think *this* place where we post messages is somehow the core of the adult industry. It's like thinking Myspace is going to get you a record deal with Universal opening up for U2 at Lollapalooza.

Amen. Couldn't agree with you and BF more...

Connor · 05-17-2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by webair

Or we can bring YNOT Bob in to verify? Sorry Connor. Your ranting holds no water. Let's just agree to disagree and move on...

I see you went back and edited this comment to mention Bob again... and sure, be happy to bring in Bob if you're in touch with him, because he also had to put up with the regular complaints about speed. And he could also tell you about the quality service we got from Rackco.

Or if he's not available, I'm sure there are emails from him to me about the speed problem.

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-17-2011, 01:29 PM

"XBIZ is by and for professionals.

It’s like Vegas: squalid mob-run poker rooms gave way to corporate-run mega resorts, which make far more money than the early “gangsters” and mom-and-pops ever did.

Do you think the “old guard” was happy about the changes? Of course not, but big business had its way and changed the Vegas dynamic; and its visitor’s expectations.

The same thing is happening in adult today and XBIZ reflects and reports on it."

OK Wake call time...

".XXX is about big business now." Are you fucking serious?

You people over at XBIZ are in for one serious fucking let down when .XXX comes about as reality. I am sorry to inform you XBIZ is making a very big mistake and when XBIZ collapses from the industry backlash from .XXX I am going to gloat every fucking day about it.

Employee's of XBIZ mark my words your publication is in for one hell of a ride down the gutter once .XXX launches. Up a creek without a paddle.

I will be laughing my ass off at these statements in the future.
I was right about ACACIA and the smoke and mirror bullshit of that group and I been right about tons of other shit that this industry has been through and I am calling it right here and fucking now...

You guys at XBIZ are fucked without a paddle after the industry realizes they were duped by you're publication.

You're credibility will be less than zero.
When .XXX does not pay off due to enormous litigations and consorship you guys will be going right down the toilet with the rest of the shit this industry has needed to flush for quite sometime.

Cheer's Helmy you made a big fucking mistake and to think I patted you on the back for having the balls to launch XBIZ...

Things are going to change horribly for you guys...
You guys are right about one thing. XXX will launch but who survives is the real question and I assure you people over at XBIZ will not be thrown a life raft.

Once the industry starts facing censorship, once processing changes and once mainstream files the shit out of IFFOR you guys will not have a fucking advertising leg to stand on.

webair · 05-17-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

i am enjoying watching you ladies battle, but that speed test is a fucking joke..

it doesnt prove anything about your speed since you could shove dozens of servers on a switch with a shared 100 Mb port and the customer would be slower than dog shit..

while another customer had a dedicated port and he would be a lot faster...

with that being said...

you bitches carry on with the fighting..

While I too like to watch bitches fight, I have to disagree with the rest of your post.

We don't oversubscribe our network. Thats not in our client's best interest or ours.

You won't find any 'unlimited bandwidth' plans on our website, so there is really no benefit in oversubscribing from our perspective. High density managed gigabit switches and 10Gbps uplinks are inexpensive enough to come by these days, it would be silly for a company to oversell their lines. We've seen our VPS servers which come with a virtual gigabit nic achieve line speed transfer rates without issue.

The speedtest link I posted is an accurate representation of a client server connection.

webair · 05-17-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Connor

I see you went back and edited this comment to mention Bob again... and sure, be happy to bring in Bob if you're in touch with him, because he also had to put up with the regular complaints about speed. And he could also tell you about the quality service we got from Rackco.

Or if he's not available, I'm sure there are emails from him to me about the speed problem.

I wonder why he would choose to host with us now then? Hmmmm.... go figure!

Connor · 05-17-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by webair

I wonder why he would choose to host with us now then? Hmmmm.... go figure!

Then bring him in. Let's get a reunion happening here. I'll go get Jim, Cash, Chris and Aaron and we'll meet back here at high noon tomorrow.

marketsmart · 05-17-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by webair

While I too like to watch bitches fight, I have to disagree with the rest of your post.

We don't oversubscribe our network. Thats not in our client's best interest or ours.

You won't find any 'unlimited bandwidth' plans on our website, so there is really no benefit in oversubscribing from our perspective. High density managed gigabit switches and 10Gbps uplinks are inexpensive enough to come by these days, it would be silly for a company to oversell their lines. We've seen our VPS servers which come with a virtual gigabit nic achieve line speed transfer rates without issue.

The speedtest link I posted is an accurate representation of a client server connection.

fair enough... i'll take your word for it...

.

Internet User · 05-17-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

I worked in adult for almost 7 years before ever posting here. (97-02).

How come you're still living in a trailer?

Kimmykim · 05-17-2011, 02:06 PM

LOL, way back when dinosaurs ruled the earth and the internet was newly minted, all too often fights were picked as a way to get noticed. I'm sure XBiz is getting some new views from all this!

will76 · 05-17-2011, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus

Since you're back and have yet to answer the question I'll give it a try one more time.

You said when adult is a ghost town XBiz will be one of the last viable companies standing.

This has nothing to do with affiliates, you said 'last viable companies standing'. So please enlighten us noobs. If XBiz is one of the 'last viable companies standing' who will be placing ads in their trade or attending their shows? What will make them one of the 'last viable companies' standing? What do they currently have in place to replace the falling revenues when those ad dollars disappear?

I personally believe XBiz will be around in 12-24 months but I also don't think adult will be a 'ghost town' either. But you apparently do. So enlighten us. How will XBiz remain profitable, let alone be one of the last viable companies standing, when adult is a ghost town in 12-24 months (your words)? Or were you just blindly kissing ass?

He was just blindly kissing ass. He wont reply back to you. he can try to play it off with me all he wants that he is just fucking with me, but you asked him nicely several times and he continues to ignore you... because he knows he is full of shit. Watch he is going to reply back to argue with me more and conveniently ignore you.

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Originally Posted by Kimmykim

LOL, way back when dinosaurs ruled the earth and the internet was newly minted, all too often fights were picked as a way to get noticed. I'm sure XBiz is getting some new views from all this!

LOL, way back when bros and bitches thought they ruled the industry they would stick up for each other no matter how much trouble they got themselves into...

Hey how is your home girl Joan doing, you know you best bud in the world that would never sell us out. Hemly's home girl Joan, Hemly, the treasurer of ASACP that claims he has nothing to do with them HAHAHA...

will76 · 05-17-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

You know Will, you weren’t one of the fake nicks I was referring to, but you are a guy that never fails to jump on the bandwagon, for whatever personal reasons motivate you and I don't get it.

you disappoint me son, I don't jump on band wagons, I am the one leading the band wagon, even if I am just a one man band.

I don't jump on anyone else's cause, feud, smear campaign etc... I am as non biased as they come. I have no alliances here, whether I do business with a company or not I still tell them how it is and don't play favorites and bro games, I don't kiss up to any of you fools like idiots like barefootsies trying to get scraps from your table. I don't come running in to take up for one of my *friends* because someone else is calling him out. My opinions are my own and I have come to those conclusions based on my knowledge and common sense.

For example, I don't care for Xbiz for reasons stated. I think the guys at Ynot are very friendly and have never had a problem with them. But what did I post above... I think Xbiz is by far a bigger and more successful company than Ynot. Now if I was like 99% of you blow hards here I would have posted how Xbiz sucks and Ynot kicks their ass, blah blah. I don't think Xbiz is a bad company at all, I personally have formed my OWN conclusions on the connections with ICM and ASACP's involvment and how it all ties together and therefore dont like them or would never do business with them. But that doesn't mean that I don't think they offer an inferrior service or product. I am not stupid like everyone else and think someone "sucks" just because I don't like them. All of my comments here were simply, how in the world would Xbiz or any company that relies on the adult industry being a viable place, remain in business and keep doing well as the adult industry falls apart.

Stephen you mentioned companies adapting etc... some have, absolutely, but no one can deny that most have not, a lot of companies are closing down and a lot more and cutting back on spending money on ads. A lot of webmasters/ affiliates are disappearing and quitting. When you are losing a base of readers and customers spending money on ads, its going to hurt your business and things are going to continue to just get worst for adult.

99% of you all are fucking douches... You either blindly suck cock and kiss ass of people you either A. Had drinks with, B. do business with, C. is enemies with either A or B, or D. someone you trying to suck up to. You coming running in here like a bunch of school girls at recess to stick up for your "bros". You lose all credibility and are so over the top with your defending / attacking people. Your "agenda" and "motivations" are so obvious. you don't speak the truth, you just throwing shit at the wall at someone you don;t like or you endorse someone you barely know and really don't have a clue if they did do bad things or not. No one has a back bone, they just have a big set of lips they put around each other's cocks.

LAJ · 05-17-2011, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

No one has a back bone, they just have a big set of lips they put around each other's cocks.

quote of the muthafuckin day right there.

will76 · 05-17-2011, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

you disappoint me son, I don't jump on band wagons, I am the one leading the band wagon, even if I am just a one man band.

I don't jump on anyone else's cause, feud, smear campaign etc... I am as non biased as they come. I have no alliances here, whether I do business with a company or not I still tell them how it is and don't play favorites and bro games, I don't kiss up to any of you fools like idiots like barefootsies trying to get scraps from your table. I don't come running in to take up for one of my *friends* because someone else is calling him out. My opinions are my own and I have come to those conclusions based on my knowledge and common sense.

For example, I don't care for Xbiz for reasons stated. I think the guys at Ynot are very friendly and have never had a problem with them. But what did I post above... I think Xbiz is by far a bigger and more successful company than Ynot. Now if I was like 99% of you blow hards here I would have posted how Xbiz sucks and Ynot kicks their ass, blah blah. I don't think Xbiz is a bad company at all, I personally have formed my OWN conclusions on the connections with ICM and ASACP's involvment and how it all ties together and therefore dont like them or would never do business with them. But that doesn't mean that I don't think they offer an inferrior service or product. I am not stupid like everyone else and think someone "sucks" just because I don't like them. All of my comments here were simply, how in the world would Xbiz or any company that relies on the adult industry being a viable place, remain in business and keep doing well as the adult industry falls apart.

Stephen you mentioned companies adapting etc... some have, absolutely, but no one can deny that most have not, a lot of companies are closing down and a lot more and cutting back on spending money on ads. A lot of webmasters/ affiliates are disappearing and quitting. When you are losing a base of readers and customers spending money on ads, its going to hurt your business and things are going to continue to just get worst for adult.

99% of you all are fucking douches... You either blindly suck cock and kiss ass of people you either A. Had drinks with, B. do business with, C. is enemies with either A or B, or D. someone you trying to suck up to. You coming running in here like a bunch of school girls at recess to stick up for your "bros". You lose all credibility and are so over the top with your defending / attacking people. Your "agenda" and "motivations" are so obvious. you don't speak the truth, you just throwing shit at the wall at someone you don;t like or you endorse someone you barely know and really don't have a clue if they did do bad things or not. No one has a back bone, they just have a big set of lips they put around each other's cocks.

And i forgot "E" you won some irrelevant *award* from xbiz so now you think they the greatest and defend them till the death no matter what they do.... sad. Amazing how quickly people's intelligence gets flushed when they get a little flattery from someone. Funny how many xbiz award members are stumbling over themselves to run in here to defend them.

Funny thing is I do business with both Rackco and Webair and have not had any problems with either of them. I give credit where credit is do and expect nothing in return, I also would be the first to criticize them if I had had problems.

Stephen · 05-17-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

how in the world would Xbiz or any company that relies on the adult industry being a viable place, remain in business and keep doing well as the adult industry falls apart.

There will always be a market for adult entertainment — it’s been in demand since the first time a burnt, charcoal-covered tip of a stick was used to draw a big set of tits on a cave wall — and it’s still in demand today. The media, medium and delivery channels have and will continue to evolve, but the demand for porn is universal.

Making a buck from it in 2011 and beyond is another matter, but if folks are so pessimistic about the future of the business they are in, they should find another line of work to do.

I’m excited about 3D and virtual reality, haptics, mobile and the cloud. Sure there are challenges, but exploring, developing and learning from these new opportunities is what XBIZ is all about — and is the future of the adult industry.

As long as adult service providers need a B2B media channel, XBIZ will be here.

<insert inside joke>Besides, XBIZ has Grizzly Bears on its side!</insert inside joke>

DeanCapture · 05-17-2011, 03:22 PM

Lots of whiny ass titty-babies in this thread....

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-17-2011, 03:23 PM

"XBIZ has Grizzly Bears on its side!"

Those same bears are the guys that put this industry where its at right now.
Or can't you not see that?

LOL! The smaller the industry becomes the less number of advertisers you get. Its that same group of guys that have always had weird aspirations to dominate the net.
They have always failed and sank the industry lower in the attempt. They line there pockets with smaller amounts with every year, and these same bears come and go with each year. Enjoy the pay off while it lasts it's you're ass on the line when it fails.

History has taught this time and time again.

Just sayin.

Nothing worse than watching a guy willingly jump off a plank with the sharks.

webair · 05-17-2011, 03:26 PM

I wasn't pissing on YNOT. I just hated their chat forum =) I wasn't meant as a jab, or to discredit them. I use to tell Jay directly I hated the chat forum! He agreed with me! I didn't expect them to attack me over it. I guess it's a sensitive issue, apologies if i offended anyone.. I use to advertise with YNOT all the time (back in the day day) when rick owned it! It just seems to have lost it's luster (TO ME). That doesn't mean it's not a good resource.

As for XBIZ, I like the team we've worked with in the past, we got great results from advertising, and exhibiting with them. By no means did i post due to the fact that we won an award or two with them & I don't think my intent was to "defend", rather than share my experience.

Internet User · 05-17-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmykim

LOL, way back when dinosaurs ruled the earth and the internet was newly minted, all too often fights were picked as a way to get noticed. I'm sure XBiz is getting some new views from all this!

that's a typical reverse-psychology defense when someone is getting owned hard

"LOLOL! my site is getting mad views from this and we are picking up record business deals! keep it up!"

Stephen · 05-17-2011, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy

XBIZ is by and for professionals.

While you have that part right, your rant reminds me of that AlienQ guy who used to post here (I think he was banned). Sorry, it's so hard for me to keep up with all of the aliases

merina0803 · 05-17-2011, 03:54 PM

meh.. xbiz sucks.. just a pr agency for fsc, asacp, iffor and other 'do-nothing' acronyms.

merina0803 · 05-17-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Internet User

How come you're still living in a trailer?

05-17-2011, 08:34 AM	#101
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Ok, i am waiting to receive one of these in the mail so maybe I can understand why Xbiz is going to be a viable company even after the rest of adult becomes a ghost town. __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

05-17-2011, 12:01 PM	#109
HELMY Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 494	Ouch! __________________ XBIZ™ \| The Industry Source

05-17-2011, 12:20 PM	#113
Stephen Consigliere Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,771	You know Will, you weren’t one of the fake nicks I was referring to, but you are a guy that never fails to jump on the bandwagon, for whatever personal reasons motivate you and I don't get it. I never claimed that “adult is a ghost town,” so I don’t know why that continues to be trumpeted, or used as a reason for supposing XBIZ’ demise. Rather, I personally believe that the online adult entertainment industry is improving — the cream is rising to the top; and as the economy improves, there are increasing profits for the innovators that capitalize on the profound changes happening right in front of you. Rather than “less companies,” notice the “new companies,” or still-successful established operators — our events draw folks you won’t see elsewhere: folks in suits, with budgets and business plans. A lot of business is being done today, but it’s being done by adults — not by folks that think telling someone to “go fuck yourself” is an appropriate form of communication — and that is one MAJOR factor that I’ll point to as a reason for our ongoing success: XBIZ is by and for professionals. It’s like Vegas: squalid mob-run poker rooms gave way to corporate-run mega resorts, which make far more money than the early “gangsters” and mom-and-pops ever did. Do you think the “old guard” was happy about the changes? Of course not, but big business had its way and changed the Vegas dynamic; and its visitor’s expectations. The same thing is happening in adult today and XBIZ reflects and reports on it. There’s a line in Super Troopers describing the haters: “Desperation is a stinky cologne.” Last edited by Stephen; 05-17-2011 at 12:21 PM..

05-17-2011, 12:26 PM	#115
LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,567	I can attest to the Webair debacle. Hardly a day would go by without someone complaining to me about how slow YNOT would load. Thank christ that's over. Anyway Connor said what needed to be said. You are a class act Mike and doing Webair proud no doubt... worthy of an award! __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting

05-17-2011, 01:02 PM	#122
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 93,189	Too much explaining is suspicious too ... __________________ FLASH SALE INSANITY! deal with a 100% Trusted Seller Buy Traffic Spots on a High-Quality Network 1 Year or Lifetime — That’s Right, Until the Internet Explodes!

05-17-2011, 09:52 AM	#102
CollegeGuy Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 38

05-17-2011, 09:57 AM	#103
Stephen Consigliere Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,771	These threads are hilarious: the same three or four losers (augmented by their collection of fake nicks) have been trying to discredit XBIZ and anything related to it for years, all due to their own misguided agendas ? sweeping along some of the more easily fooled ? few if any of whom have ever been to one of our several annual shows; read any of our three print magazines (which cover the online arena, ?video guys? and novelty/retail); or visited any of our websites or other resources. These critics simply do not know what they?re talking about ? and think ?bad mouthing? XBIZ will help them and their friends ?compete? against us. Yawn. It?s like the kids here that rag on FOX News but have never seen it. XBIZ is the largest and most diversified adult media organization today. If you want to discuss vulnerable companies in the market, why not look at YNOT or hahahahahahaha? They do not have the market share, appeal or diversification to survive much longer ? but that would mean our critics here would be looking in the mirror, instead. It?s not the adult entertainment industry that?s going to be a ghost town; it?s the affiliate space that has tumbleweeds rolling down its main street ? and affiliates make up the bulk of GFY?s audience, so the view here is bound to be skewed. This board being owned by our only competitor doesn?t make things better. XBIZ is not ?going away? ? it?s growing ? and has been growing for the 10 years I?ve been with it. The people and companies that are profiting from adult today have already changed from who they were a couple of years ago ? and they aren?t piss-ant board monkeys: they are business people representing real companies that want to do business like adults, not ?fuck themselves.? I didn?t want to bother responding to this or the other ?We hate XBIZ? threads because the folks that fuel them won?t be satisfied by facts or reason; they simply want to hate and to lie, because they are frustrated losers who are unable to compete. Maybe if they had a job or a juice box after naptime, they would be in a better mood. On another note, I see a lot of ?proof or ban? demands on this board ? and I would make them too, demanding that those who claim that XBIZ supports .XXX show proof or be banned (and I don?t mean point at a poll that was voted on by the industry, not by XBIZ, as some kind of ?proof?). But why bother with such demands? Fake nicks are easy enough to replace. Well, I?m done my morning coffee and have money to make. Find out how at XBIZ.

05-17-2011, 10:54 AM	#105
Fat Panda Porn is Dead. Move along. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 13,295	nothing but fluff stories promoting advertisers...would never read the rag or website

05-17-2011, 12:04 PM	#110
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	proof or ban.

05-17-2011, 01:12 PM	#125
ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,241	Dear XBIZ - Can you guys officially deny you're support for .XXX? I for one would really like to know XBIZ position on this. Last edited by ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE; 05-17-2011 at 01:13 PM..

05-17-2011, 01:21 PM	#129
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	Wow, this just turned ugly Ynot, Xbiz fighting it out on an AVN site, who would have thought. As far as the whole Xbiz being behind XXX, I don't see it, why would they run this? http://www.xbiz.net/xhr.php?c=home.p...33268&choice=4 You can vote yourself right now on XBiz.net on the home page As for myself, I spend time on XBIZ, Ynot and GFY, just like I don't listen to one news source in the nightly news. You have to get your information from more than one source! __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

05-17-2011, 01:29 PM	#132
ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,241	"XBIZ is by and for professionals. It’s like Vegas: squalid mob-run poker rooms gave way to corporate-run mega resorts, which make far more money than the early “gangsters” and mom-and-pops ever did. Do you think the “old guard” was happy about the changes? Of course not, but big business had its way and changed the Vegas dynamic; and its visitor’s expectations. The same thing is happening in adult today and XBIZ reflects and reports on it." OK Wake call time... ".XXX is about big business now." Are you fucking serious? You people over at XBIZ are in for one serious fucking let down when .XXX comes about as reality. I am sorry to inform you XBIZ is making a very big mistake and when XBIZ collapses from the industry backlash from .XXX I am going to gloat every fucking day about it. Employee's of XBIZ mark my words your publication is in for one hell of a ride down the gutter once .XXX launches. Up a creek without a paddle. I will be laughing my ass off at these statements in the future. I was right about ACACIA and the smoke and mirror bullshit of that group and I been right about tons of other shit that this industry has been through and I am calling it right here and fucking now... You guys at XBIZ are fucked without a paddle after the industry realizes they were duped by you're publication. You're credibility will be less than zero. When .XXX does not pay off due to enormous litigations and consorship you guys will be going right down the toilet with the rest of the shit this industry has needed to flush for quite sometime. Cheer's Helmy you made a big fucking mistake and to think I patted you on the back for having the balls to launch XBIZ... Things are going to change horribly for you guys... You guys are right about one thing. XXX will launch but who survives is the real question and I assure you people over at XBIZ will not be thrown a life raft. Once the industry starts facing censorship, once processing changes and once mainstream files the shit out of IFFOR you guys will not have a fucking advertising leg to stand on. Last edited by ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE; 05-17-2011 at 01:44 PM..

05-17-2011, 02:06 PM	#138
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	LOL, way back when dinosaurs ruled the earth and the internet was newly minted, all too often fights were picked as a way to get noticed. I'm sure XBiz is getting some new views from all this!

05-17-2011, 03:22 PM	#144
DeanCapture Haters & Trolls SUCK! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 9,275	Lots of whiny ass titty-babies in this thread.... __________________ Twitter: @DeanCapture Instagram: @TheDeanCapture DeanCapture "at" Gmail.com

05-17-2011, 03:23 PM	#145
ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,241	"XBIZ has Grizzly Bears on its side!" Those same bears are the guys that put this industry where its at right now. Or can't you not see that? LOL! The smaller the industry becomes the less number of advertisers you get. Its that same group of guys that have always had weird aspirations to dominate the net. They have always failed and sank the industry lower in the attempt. They line there pockets with smaller amounts with every year, and these same bears come and go with each year. Enjoy the pay off while it lasts it's you're ass on the line when it fails. History has taught this time and time again. Just sayin. Nothing worse than watching a guy willingly jump off a plank with the sharks. Last edited by ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE; 05-17-2011 at 03:27 PM..

05-17-2011, 03:26 PM	#146
webair Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 8,531	I wasn't pissing on YNOT. I just hated their chat forum =) I wasn't meant as a jab, or to discredit them. I use to tell Jay directly I hated the chat forum! He agreed with me! I didn't expect them to attack me over it. I guess it's a sensitive issue, apologies if i offended anyone.. I use to advertise with YNOT all the time (back in the day day) when rick owned it! It just seems to have lost it's luster (TO ME). That doesn't mean it's not a good resource. As for XBIZ, I like the team we've worked with in the past, we got great results from advertising, and exhibiting with them. By no means did i post due to the fact that we won an award or two with them & I don't think my intent was to "defend", rather than share my experience. __________________ ~ Webair Dedicated Cloud Servers™ ~ WEBAIR VSYS™ Virtual Hosting Platform ~ Superior CDN Network ~ ~ Managed Dedicated hosting Specialists ~ DISCOUNT DOMAIN NAMES! ~ WEBAIR FUSION IO MANAGED CLOUD SERVERS! ~ *ICQ:* 243116321 - *TWITTER* - @WEBAIRINC - E-Mail: [email protected] Last edited by webair; 05-17-2011 at 03:27 PM..

05-17-2011, 03:54 PM	#149
merina0803 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 573	meh.. xbiz sucks.. just a pr agency for fsc, asacp, iffor and other 'do-nothing' acronyms.