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I think it's more like the 'XBIZ Stating the fucking obvious award'

I'm also curious on how XBIZ will be one of the last adult companies standing when the adult industry is a ghost town. They are a trade publication and trade show company that depends on the health of the industry to survive. If they are one of the 'last viable adult companies left' in this ghost town who is going to be placing the ads in their publications or going to their shows?

And it's pretty obvious XBIZ helped to pass .XXX with a bogus poll citing industry wide support. The only question that has yet to be answered (and not denied either) is what does XBIZ and Helmy receive for their support?

It's also obvious that The XBIZ awards are one giant circle jerk. 10-20 companies get nominated in a single category. Wonder why? Because if only 3-5 were nominated only 3-5 sites would run the prestigious XBIZ official nominee badge and advertise XBIZ for free. It's one big ass-lick-athon which is fine but let's not go around pretending it's not.

Any timeline to this prediction?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I hope not, they seems to be nice people more than avn :)

You're right, you can post on every forum and hit most of the conventions and read the trades and still not have a full grasp of what's going on. I have a client that doesn't post anywhere and you have probably never heard of him, yet your jaw would hit the floor if you knew how much traffic he moves every day.

What people read on the forums is just a snapshot of whats going on, reading the hardcopy of xbiz every month will educate you a lot more.. Did I mention I'm on the cover of XbizWorld for April? LMAO

thank you. And that is all I was saying to barefootsie idiot. Basic common sense. It doesn't add up. But his reply was " There is more to the adult industry than GFY" and " but but but did you get a copy of their hard mag?"

WTF that matters or has to do with anything I don't know. But like I said, and you said too, they rely ON the adult industry for viewers and advertisers. With out viewers there is no value for the advertisers. And with no viewers and no advertisers (adult is a ghost town) then how in the fuck they going to stay in business much less be one of the last viable companies??? And t hat is the way things are heading right now. If your business model relies on ad dollars from adult companies you in a world of hurt as so many companies are either going out of business or cutting back on expenses.

I concur 100%, nice to see other intelligent people on here who can pick up on common sense and see past all of the bullshit. Surprisingly enough, most people don't get it.

damn beautiful..........

Summed up nicely, and so spot on. :thumbsup :thumbsup

I did indeed. :winkwink:

I just got a wood reading that... mispelled, passionate, who cares what you were saying... point is it was real.

Now all you need to do is fire PaulK for going into clients join forms and single handily changing them for the worse without notification and totally biased as he let other "bigger" clients get away with the same ;)

Well said.

My thinking if 5 years till they're completely gone, hopefully shorter.

Maybe you can answer the question for us then, since the person you quoted has avoided it.

How will XBiz be one of the last viable companies standing when adult is a 'ghost town' in 12-24 months? They are a trade publication and show organizer that depends on the health of the industry to survive. Who's going to buy ad space in their publication or sponsor the shows or attend for that matter?

I know it's fun to blindly ass kiss but please tell me what I'm missing. Where will their revenue come from and what do they do besides the trade mag and shows?

Really and *WHY* do you think so?


He wont, he will probably come back with something lame like " but did you get a hard copy of the mag". Maybe we need the hardcopy of the mag and a special decoder pen to stay on the same level of these guys in the "in".

But seriously, apparently the people who think that bullshit do so because they think Xbiz is "cool" or something. Obviously none of them can give an intelligent reason to explain WHY they think they will still be IN business when everyone else in adult goes OUT of business.

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6 lines of text in your sig, congrats on breaking the rules chump.

ah they have a big bone, well it is all clear now. Fuck I know I should have known that, when all of adult is a ghost town and xbiz is still in business and kicking ass it will be because of their big bone. Sorry noob mistake on my part. Thanks for clearing that up champ.

xbiz for life...

Ok, i am waiting to receive one of these in the mail so maybe I can understand why Xbiz is going to be a viable company even after the rest of adult becomes a ghost town.

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These threads are hilarious: the same three or four losers (augmented by their collection of fake nicks) have been trying to discredit XBIZ and anything related to it for years, all due to their own misguided agendas ? sweeping along some of the more easily fooled ? few if any of whom have ever been to one of our several annual shows; read any of our three print magazines (which cover the online arena, ?video guys? and novelty/retail); or visited any of our websites or other resources.

These critics simply do not know what they?re talking about ? and think ?bad mouthing? XBIZ will help them and their friends ?compete? against us. Yawn. It?s like the kids here that rag on FOX News but have never seen it.

XBIZ is the largest and most diversified adult media organization today. If you want to discuss vulnerable companies in the market, why not look at YNOT or hahahahahahaha? They do not have the market share, appeal or diversification to survive much longer ? but that would mean our critics here would be looking in the mirror, instead.

It?s not the adult entertainment industry that?s going to be a ghost town; it?s the affiliate space that has tumbleweeds rolling down its main street ? and affiliates make up the bulk of GFY?s audience, so the view here is bound to be skewed. This board being owned by our only competitor doesn?t make things better.

XBIZ is not ?going away? ? it?s growing ? and has been growing for the 10 years I?ve been with it.

The people and companies that are profiting from adult today have already changed from who they were a couple of years ago ? and they aren?t piss-ant board monkeys: they are business people representing real companies that want to do business like adults, not ?fuck themselves.?

I didn?t want to bother responding to this or the other ?We hate XBIZ? threads because the folks that fuel them won?t be satisfied by facts or reason; they simply want to hate and to lie, because they are frustrated losers who are unable to compete.

Maybe if they had a job or a juice box after naptime, they would be in a better mood.

On another note, I see a lot of ?proof or ban? demands on this board ? and I would make them too, demanding that those who claim that XBIZ supports .XXX show proof or be banned (and I don?t mean point at a poll that was voted on by the industry, not by XBIZ, as some kind of ?proof?).

But why bother with such demands? Fake nicks are easy enough to replace.

Well, I?m done my morning coffee and have money to make. Find out how at XBIZ.

Vulnerable to what?

Next time you'll wake up you'll realized that the wind is changing for the simple fact that YNOT staff is smarter, brighter and with a better ethic. We try to innovate and not copy.

YNOT has struggled for years but now things have changed, we are solid , we are at service of the industry and not trying to fool everybody having a box with a lot of "appeal " and nice look but completely empty on the inside.

We have already did great things in less than one year and more will come out soon, so if i were in you i wouldn't sleep that comfortably.

nothing but fluff stories promoting advertisers...would never read the rag or website

Yes Stephen, Me and Atticus are widely know around these parts as fake nicks. :upsidedow:upsidedow


I don't think Xbiz is in the same league as haha or Ynot. I think Xbiz is a bigger company than those sites, and right up there with AVN. HOWEVER, you can blow your own horn all you want about your trade shows, magazines and news / resource websites. Everything you mentioned that Xbiz does is based off of two things: An industry of readers/users who will read your shit and go to your shows and a base of clients (companies) that buy ads on your sites, mags, and booths at your shows. If the adult industry shrinks, and *gasps* becomes a ghost town as one Xbiz shill has mentioned here, then how do you plan on continuing to grow.

I don't knock Xbiz because of your obvious connections to ICM and .xxx or for any other reasons. Why I think Xbiz is not such a viable company as bragged about here is because of the shear nature that your business relies 100% on the adult industry being viable, which over the last couple years has pointed to the industry shrinking, less people going to shows, less companies staying in business and a lot less companies buying ads.

Oh and go ahead and try to get me banned for this thread: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1019639 Good luck.

It is very clear what the connections are, and what the bullshit is. I posted facts and proof to all of the allegations. So go fuck yourself.

Thanks for the free plug Stephen. :)

I don't think you have access to any information about YNOT's market share though, so I don't know where this is coming from. YNOT as you know was the original adult Internet resource site... and it has survived over the years because our audience does find that the site has a lot of appeal. And that audience is why YNOT enjoys strong support from its large list of sponsors. We're targeted right at B2B and don't try to pad with consumer porn news that attracts surfers, because that doesn't help our sponsors. We receive regular positive audience feedback about the quality of the content that we publish, and I think you'll find that it stacks up with anyone's in that regard. I couldn't be happier with the job that Kathee has done managing our writers and publishing important and relevant articles. I'm especially proud of the job she's done covering the .XXX news lately. We don't try to be first out with a story, we just try to get them right.

And of course our company extends beyond just YNOT.com. We launched the first and only EU news and resource site last year, YNOTeurope.com, which continues to grow. Our summer show was always intended to be a smaller, more intimate add-on to Internext, but I'm pretty sure it out-drew your summer Vegas show last year, so again, must be doing something right. ;)

We launched YNOT Mail this year, which is off to a great start. The YNOT Grand Prix was a blast in Phoenix. We're partnering with the European Summit for the YNOT Awards in Prague in a few months. And we have a new business service that we will be launching very soon, details coming.

So to be honest with you, things couldn't be better for us, and I appreciate this opportunity to discuss all of the things that YNOT has going on at the moment.

Did you guys ever get around to fixing that horrific chat board you had? Uyy that was torturous! :1orglaugh

IMHO, I think XBIZ is a great company. They have always had their ear to the ground, offered much more in the way of creativity than their competition, and write some very interesting commentary. Working with Moe, Alex, & Kristen over the past 8 years or so has been a pleasure. I would HUMBLY agree that being the recipient of the XBIZ awards on multiple occasions has definitely boosted sales. Additionally, I think critics would have a tough time naming another show / convention that is up to par with how XBIZ does it.

Keep up the good work guys! :winkwink:

BTW - If it's GTS MARK approved it's definitely for me! :)

Ouch! :1orglaugh

proof or ban.

Now you've gone and done it foo.... will76 is going to start driving by your house. :1orglaugh

That's the second time Webair has taken a shot at us on GFY... last time I was surprised, since we're a former client and that's so unprofessional of you, but this time I'll respond honestly.

For a long time we used Webair as our host. And for years, we got comments about how YNOT loaded so slowly. We thought it had something to do with the old CMS that we used not being efficient, so we spend a LOT of time trying to improve that. Yet the comments kept coming in... the board was slow, slow, slow. Finally, we got an offer from Rackco to host with them, and we switched. And guess what... all our speed problems instantly went a \way with the same software.

We're now using Mojo and no speed problems there either... everything runs great.

As for the board's software, yup it's updated. But YNOT isn't a chat board. That hasn't been our intention since like 2001, and it isn't why people use YNOT.com.

So I assume Webair that you're trying to impress your friend there, who so quickly posted after you as if hit up on ICQ or something, but until now out of professional courtesy I haven't gone public with our experience with Webair. I'd be happy to get current and former tech staff in here to talk about our experience with Webair too if you want.

You know Will, you weren’t one of the fake nicks I was referring to, but you are a guy that never fails to jump on the bandwagon, for whatever personal reasons motivate you and I don't get it.

I never claimed that “adult is a ghost town,” so I don’t know why that continues to be trumpeted, or used as a reason for supposing XBIZ’ demise.

Rather, I personally believe that the online adult entertainment industry is improving — the cream is rising to the top; and as the economy improves, there are increasing profits for the innovators that capitalize on the profound changes happening right in front of you.

Rather than “less companies,” notice the “new companies,” or still-successful established operators — our events draw folks you won’t see elsewhere: folks in suits, with budgets and business plans.

A lot of business is being done today, but it’s being done by adults — not by folks that think telling someone to “go fuck yourself” is an appropriate form of communication — and that is one MAJOR factor that I’ll point to as a reason for our ongoing success:

XBIZ is by and for professionals.

It’s like Vegas: squalid mob-run poker rooms gave way to corporate-run mega resorts, which make far more money than the early “gangsters” and mom-and-pops ever did.

Do you think the “old guard” was happy about the changes? Of course not, but big business had its way and changed the Vegas dynamic; and its visitor’s expectations.

The same thing is happening in adult today and XBIZ reflects and reports on it.

There’s a line in Super Troopers describing the haters: “Desperation is a stinky cologne.”

Yeah, but dont forget, GTS Mark is Canadian EH ?:upsidedow

I can attest to the Webair debacle. Hardly a day would go by without someone complaining to me about how slow YNOT would load. Thank christ that's over.

Anyway Connor said what needed to be said.

You are a class act Mike and doing Webair proud no doubt... worthy of an award!

Wow i didn't mean it in a bad way. It was just the worst chat forum I had ever used! I was hoping you had changed it. Perhaps I would have considered using YNOT again =)

With regard to hosting with Webair? And the speed of our network? Please Connor...

Perhaps that was due to the 5 ft, 750lb, 1997 hewlett packard server you sent over to colo with us? You know the one that ran on diesel fuel ;) But hey, what do i know! BTW you never did pick that up. I have a good mind to charge you storage fees! That in combination with the way your site was programmed (ie. chat board), It was a wonder YNOT even made it to the internet! Don't blame me for your issues. Had you listened to our recommendations you wouldn't have had any!

Your attitude and charm are almost as welcoming as Jay's! You know the guy that only seems to contact people when he wants to sell an ad, or an invite to a show. Sorry man we don't buy ads from companies with people like that running it. Bring back YNOT BOB and perhaps we can talk, he was the only good thing you had going for you guys!

Your response is a classic example as to why we choose long ago no to work with YNOT.

I can assure you mike that I'm a lot more charming than Connor, but on the flip side, he's much smarter than I.

Back when I thought you were a good businessman, you had no interest in buying ads back then either. And it was us who decided to stop working with you. So no need to grandstand here.

I'll be sure to remove you from my spam list though.

You didn't mean it in a BAD way? That's hall of fame spin right there.

The funny thing is... we sent you new servers, thinking that was gonna be the big fix, and that didn't help. Sllllooowww. Some tell another lie. Those servers we DID get back, by the way. The others we told you that you could throw away, which you offered to do. And as to your claims that it was possibly the software... funny how that all went away when we switched to Rackco?

If you really want to persist on this, we can bring in Cash or Jim Ruga or Aaron or Chris to talk about what happened when we switched from Webair, and all the money we lost before switching while trying to stick with you and address the problem. Or we can just dig up old emails.

Then after all that grief we got from using your service, you take regular shots at a former client on the message boards to make your current buddy happy? I think that should serve as a warning to anyone who either 1) is using Webair, or 2) is considering using Webair, about how you guys conduct business.

Ass kissing - lesson 1, Teacher Mr Webair.

Thanks Jay. I'd appreciate that, as your unsubscribe link does not seem to work so well.


Or we can bring YNOT Bob in to verify? Sorry Connor. Your ranting holds no water. Let's just agree to disagree and move on...

BTW - http://speedtest.webair.com