Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18137077)

what you said makes no sense.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18137077)

No i do not get their hard copy trade mag. Why does that matter. It's a mag, they either make money from charging people to buy the mag and/or from selling ad space in it. If adult is a ghost town, how are they going to continue to be in business if there is 1. no one left to receive their mags. 2. no one buying ads in it.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18136988)

Mitch, the guy who has never had one thing bad to say about anyone. The world must be perfect in his eyes because he sees no wrong in anyone. If you ever want to feel good about yourself, need a testimonial or a good quote for PR.... Mitch is your man!

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18136988)

Mitch, the guy who has never had one thing bad to say about anyone. The world must be perfect in his eyes because he sees no wrong in anyone. If you ever want to feel good about yourself, need a testimonial or a good quote for PR.... Mitch is your man!

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 18137101)

Maybe next time you could fit a few more double and triple negatives into a single sentence.

Originally Posted by NETbilling (Post 18137237)

Actually - I have plenty bad to say about some and I do from time to time,. Typically however, I don't do it on a public forum. I do post nice things when I feel it is justified, as I did here.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 18137101)

Maybe next time you could fit a few more double and triple negatives into a single sentence.



Actually, that goes to show what little you know & talking out of your ass on this one.

Many of the companies buying ad space in XBIZ are not even represented on forums or GFY. You seem to suffer from the belief you think that GFY represents the adult industry as a whole. It doesn't. There are literally hundreds of companies that advertise in their trade you never would know about if your rely on GFY for your information. Many never post here.

This is one of the things that always makes me laugh about people who do not bother to read the trades, or go to any of the conferences, and talk like they have the pulse of this industry and the companies within it.

You are really out of touch with many of the things going on with the bigger companies. While you are worrying about tubes every day in the latest Paul Markham dead horse thread, arguing about politics, and the color of Obsama's skid marks after being shot. Real business is getting done. A lot of it never even gets mentioned on the forums.

The boards in general are way behind what is actually going on, and most of the topics focus all of their time and energy on is not even on the radar of those paying for ad space in XBIZ. If you rely on GFY to keep up with all of the changes, and innovations going on within this industry, you are clueless.

I doubt the pontificating of Will76 and Paul Markham on GFY about tube sites, industry conspiracies, and their thoughts on life, are keeping Larry Flynt or Steve Hirsch up at night. At best, the small fries and piss ants will be out of this industry, leaving it to the conglomerates who actually have money. Brazzer's is a prime example of a company not hurting for business as easy shown by their different big dollar acquisitions.

Anyway, I will leave you to it Markham Jr.. Like many threads, you've made up your mind and will fight endlessly about it with long Gettysburg address opinions. Enjoy.

Originally Posted by Pornless (Post 18135765)

IE, you're their bitch.

Originally Posted by pimpporn (Post 18135963)

I find it funny how they write ass kissing articles about their advertisers

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 18135331)

Didn't you get an xbiz nomination once for designer of the year?

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 18136929)

Typical GFY bitches?

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 18137101)

You seem to suffer from the belief you think that GFY represents the adult industry as a whole. It doesn't. There are literally hundreds of companies that advertise in their trade you never would know about if your rely on GFY for your information. Many never post here.

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 18137876)

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Originally Posted by C H R I S 2.0 (Post 18137445)

Great post... I must say....

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 18137101)

Maybe next time you could fit a few more double and triple negatives into a single sentence.



Actually, that goes to show what little you know & talking out of your ass on this one.

Many of the companies buying ad space in XBIZ are not even represented on forums or GFY. You seem to suffer from the belief you think that GFY represents the adult industry as a whole. It doesn't. There are literally hundreds of companies that advertise in their trade you never would know about if your rely on GFY for your information. Many never post here.

This is one of the things that always makes me laugh about people who do not bother to read the trades, or go to any of the conferences, and talk like they have the pulse of this industry and the companies within it.

You are really out of touch with many of the things going on with the bigger companies. While you are worrying about tubes every day in the latest Paul Markham dead horse thread, arguing about politics, and the color of Obsama's skid marks after being shot. Real business is getting done. A lot of it never even gets mentioned on the forums.

The boards in general are way behind what is actually going on, and most of the topics focus all of their time and energy on is not even on the radar of those paying for ad space in XBIZ. If you rely on GFY to keep up with all of the changes, and innovations going on within this industry, you are clueless.

I doubt the pontificating of Will76 and Paul Markham on GFY about tube sites, industry conspiracies, and their thoughts on life, are keeping Larry Flynt or Steve Hirsch up at night. At best, the small fries and piss ants will be out of this industry, leaving it to the conglomerates who actually have money. Brazzer's is a prime example of a company not hurting for business as easy shown by their different big dollar acquisitions.

Anyway, I will leave you to it Markham Jr.. Like many threads, you've made up your mind and will fight endlessly about it with long Gettysburg address opinions. Enjoy.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 18135355)

I would say it's more realistic that they will be one of the last viable companies standing in the next 12-24 months when adult is a ghost town. But I suppose time will tell, as it always does, in such things.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18136883)

that makes no sense. Isn't the majority of their revenue based on ad sales??? If Adult is a ghost town then how in the fuck they still going to be in business? no one left to read their shit or buy ads from them. Or do they do business that we don't know about, have a stake in .xxx or something like that ? If its all based on the adult community to read their shit (provide traffic source / venue so they can then try to sell ads to adult companies) then they in a lot of trouble if there is few people left in the adult community (ghost town) to read their shit and buy ads from them.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 18137101)

Many of the companies buying ad space in XBIZ are not even represented on forums or GFY. You seem to suffer from the belief you think that GFY represents the adult industry as a whole. It doesn't. There are literally hundreds of companies that advertise in their trade you never would know about if your rely on GFY for your information. Many never post here.

Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 18137889)

OMG Barefootsies don't let the cat out of the bag! :1orglaugh

Many of us still around here worked in adult long before we even posted on this board. I worked in adult for almost 7 years before ever posting here. (97-02).

But I will say what Lensman did with this board is true genius. However all these years later it is more of a curse to those of us still here for actual business. I come here daily and learn new things all the time.

I guess the trolls are entertainment. Like gerbils keeping the wheels warm and in motion while the rest of us either work or rest. The downside is they think *this* place where we post messages is somehow the core of the adult industry. It's like thinking Myspace is going to get you a record deal with Universal opening up for U2 at Lollapalooza. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18138857)

Hey Champ let's back the truck up

Lets back that truck up Hoss .


It's pretty fucking simple champ.

Champ.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 18138934)

Repeating the same paraphrased sentence in a single post,... twice.

Chief/champ/Hoss reference count in a single post,... four.

Posting back to back like a dog with a bone, reinforcing my previous statement.


Thank you for proving my point. The pleasure was mine.
:pimp

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 18135355)

I would say it's more realistic that they will be one of the last viable companies standing in the next 12-24 months when adult is a ghost town. But I suppose time will tell, as it always does, in such things.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18138950)

Ah so its ok for you to sound like an idiot and call people retarded names like Hoss, Champ

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18138950)

I'll be nice to you and dumb it down

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18138950)

Instead of trying to insult me, pick a fight with me

Originally Posted by Pornless (Post 18135186)

That's my next prediction. I nailed it with epassporte, too fucking predictable.

Originally Posted by RonC (Post 18139044)

Pornless I am suprised by this post.

In MY OPINION which is not worth that much. I am pretty sure my post count is below 100 so I qualify for a newbie. I have been EXTREMLEY impressed by how xbiz has Created an industry magazine, then created 2 VERY successful trade shows. Then created the BEST INTERENT related AWARdS show EVER. This last years show was truly Hollywood style. I WAS VERY proud to be at involved in the show and really felt like the Adult INTERENT side of the business had be recognized. I see all the numbers and people say that the adult internet side is dying. But I can tell you for a fact that CCbill will do more processing this year than any year EVER. I don?t know numbers but I would guess that XBIZ will do the Same. So before you decide to count Alex and Moe out it would think twice MY TWO CENTS

Ron Cadwell
CEO
______________
CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com

Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy (Post 18135318)

I wont even read stories published by XBIZ these days, and no longer visit the site.

Vote with views guys.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18136879)

Oh I just remembered they give out stupid awards that are meaningless and most people will piratically suck their cock to get nominated.

I really hope people stop messing around with their stupid awards, its a big joke they playing on you. The award means total shit yet all of you people fly the banners (awards) on your sites and on here and give them lots of free traffic. congrats on getting played.

If companies still care about their awards in the future I think I will be skipping over those companies and doing business with someone else.

Originally Posted by RonC (Post 18139044)

Pornless I am suprised by this post.

In MY OPINION which is not worth that much. I am pretty sure my post count is below 100 so I qualify for a newbie. I have been EXTREMLEY impressed by how xbiz has Created an industry magazine, then created 2 VERY successful trade shows. Then created the BEST INTERENT related AWARdS show EVER. This last years show was truly Hollywood style. I WAS VERY proud to be at involved in the show and really felt like the Adult INTERENT side of the business had be recognized. I see all the numbers and people say that the adult internet side is dying. But I can tell you for a fact that CCbill will do more processing this year than any year EVER. I don?t know numbers but I would guess that XBIZ will do the Same. So before you decide to count Alex and Moe out it would think twice MY TWO CENTS

Ron Cadwell
CEO
______________
CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 18138968)

Why is that? Would that be because I asked you if you actually read, or received the XBIZ trade mag? Or because I pointed out your logic, or lack there of, was flawed? Maybe it was that I pointed out many of the companies who advertise in their trade do not have a GFY presence?

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18139085)

There is more to adult than the Internet and video, XBIZ covers them all. As far as an XBIZ poll being the reason .XXX passed, posts on GFY were cited as well. As far as opinions of XBIZ.net and/or XBIZ.com being the polar opposite of GFY, this surprises you?

No two boards that I can recall were ever like another. They all have their own personalities.

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18139119)

I would tend to disagree with you. The XBiz awards are the biggest (only?) award and ceremony that covers online entertainment, innovation and technology. Companies like CCBill and Segpay won because let's face it, they deserve it. They are always on top of their game. In the video chat category, MFC beat us and Video Secrets this year. No surprise, they are really good at what they do.

Winning an Xbiz award is very good for business. Our sales went up over 200% since we won ours. Customers even told us that they choose us over our competitors because of the Xbiz award.

There's even a little something more. If you know that you have a chance of being nominated or winning, it gives you a little personal kick in the butt to try harder in your business and to make your product as good as it can be. An award is a nice target to reach for.

Originally Posted by GonZo (Post 18139048)

Circle the wagons.

Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 18137266)

I like this kind of attitude. Wish I was more like that myself.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18139152)

What in the hell does GFY have to do with Anything???

You said xbiz was a viable company and would be one of the last ones standing in ADULT. Not on GFY, but all of adult. Why do you keep mentioning that xbiz has a lot of adult advertisers that don't post on GFY. I never said or implied otherwise. I think any idiot would know that is a fact and it has nothing to do with anything here.

You are such a little pussy. You make one simple statement on here that xbiz is some great company that is going to out last all of adult, when adult is a ghost town xbiz will still be going strong. I simply said that I disagree and ask you why you think that and you go and get all fucking stupid and out in left field with your responses... by replying back with retarded shit like " but but did you get a copy of the xbiz mag!" and " dumbass not all companies in adult post on GFY". My god you are fucking stupid with those responses as they have nothing to do with anything.

Continue to dodge the question and I will continue to point out how you are a fucking idiot until you answer it with some intelligence and not all the pussy footing around, chump.



Polls on GFY were not cited and polls here would not have been used because it was 90% against.

the xbiz poll was a HUGE factor and ONLY thing they pointed to as evidence that the sponsoring community was in favor of .xxx



So they pick the big, popular companies and give them awards. The awards are meanlingless and a scam. They are giving out stupid awards so people like you get all jacked up about them, put the banners on your site and feed them back free traffic.

After the way they have acted with the dot xxx stuff I am surprised you people still would want anything that xbiz is apart of.

Mark your sales didn't go up because you won an xbiz award. You sales went up, and you happened to win a xbiz award. I can promise you the two events are not related and it was just a coincidence. I am sure there are a 100 other factors that are more likely to have caused your sales to go up.



Yeap! the same shit was being said for Mr. Mallick before the shoe dropped. I am not surprised.

Originally Posted by JFK (Post 18139269)

and the XBIZ Mr Negativity Award goes to ............................

Originally Posted by $tandaman (Post 18140232)

I can concur what Mark is saying that winning(and even being nominated for a) xbiz award increases your exposure, and leads directly to new sales. While i can't comment on xbiz's financial position, as i am not in the know, i can attest to our successful campaign for AdultCentro in participating in Xbiz advertising, and shows.

As Ron said, Xbiz was created on a blank slate, when Alec had no prior experience of publishing (i know of) and when Xbiz came out i really thought they were crazy trying to compete with AVN, who was #1 by all standards at the time, but i think they have successfully carved a piece of market for themselves. I subscribe and read all xbiz news, because i want to stay on top of what's going on in the industry, and the news that come out of the Xbiz seem to be more up to date then they are from AVN (as far as online is concerned) at the moment.

I think having more then 1 Trade magazine/powerhouse is healthy, and is positive for the industry, because it leads to innovation.. we all know what happens when there is a monopoly, as it was defacto with avn/internext, and we saw where that ended up.. they became lazy and stagnant and were in the gutter until Theo and Panos came in to shake things up.

So time will tell what will happen with Xbiz, but i think if they were to go out of biz, it would only hurt our industry as a whole, so i won't be rooting for that.

Originally Posted by Alprazolam (Post 18138210)

get back in the fucking shadowy corner you hide in now scum bag. there are many here that are going to make sure that you do not deliver your agenda.

Originally Posted by RonC (Post 18139044)

But I can tell you for a fact that CCbill will do more processing this year than any year EVER. I don?t know numbers but I would guess that XBIZ will do the Same.

Ron Cadwell
CEO
______________
CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com