IP-Address Is Not a Person, BitTorrent Case Judge Says - GoFuckYourself.com

gideongallery · 05-03-2011, 06:51 AM

http://torrentfreak.com/ip-address-n...e-says-110503/

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Among other things Judge Baker cited a recent child porn case where the U.S. authorities raided the wrong people, because the real offenders were piggybacking on their Wi-Fi connections. Using this example, the judge claims that several of the defendants in VPR?s case may have nothing to do with the alleged offense either.

?The infringer might be the subscriber, someone in the subscriber?s household, a visitor with her laptop, a neighbor, or someone parked on the street at any given moment,? Judge Baker writes.

about fucking time.

Barefootsies · 05-03-2011, 06:58 AM

Thanks top notch.

We'll see if this still holds true with IPv6.

iamtam · 05-03-2011, 07:04 AM

there is a judge who doesnt understand the idea of controlling your internet access. it is giving support for the online argument that two black youths did it.

fris · 05-03-2011, 07:10 AM

how come no legit news sites report on this, only pirate supporting sites.

funny.

L-Pink · 05-03-2011, 07:21 AM

The same stupid point can be made for a car license plate after a bank robbery. "I wasn't driving, the car was stolen, a neighbor knew where I hid my keys, etc"

You might not be the one who committed the crime but you sure as hell don't get a free pass from having the door kicked in while the investigation is on going.

gideongallery · 05-03-2011, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

The same stupid point can be made for a car license plate after a bank robbery. "I wasn't driving, the car was stolen, a neighbor knew where I hid my keys, etc"

You might not be the one who committed the crime but you sure as hell don't get a free pass from having the door kicked in while the investigation is on going.

do you support the same type of "investigation" for selling porn to minors

if little timmy steals his dad credit card and uses it too join your site.

This is about the fundamental principle of being innocent until proven guilty. A right we ALL should have not just in the cases where we benefit.

seeandsee · 05-03-2011, 07:45 AM

I was tihnking the same, lets say family have 6 members, so all 6 goes to jail because of ip?

cherrylula · 05-03-2011, 07:58 AM

yeah duh about time....

Klen · 05-03-2011, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee

I was tihnking the same, lets say family have 6 members, so all 6 goes to jail because of ip?

No,only owner of ip goes to jail.

Serge Litehead · 05-03-2011, 08:01 AM

i could swear i talked to some nice looking sexy ip last night and they're telling us its not real person, wtf?

iamtam · 05-03-2011, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

do you support the same type of "investigation" for selling porn to minors

if little timmy steals his dad credit card and uses it too join your site.

This is about the fundamental principle of being innocent until proven guilty. A right we ALL should have not just in the cases where we benefit.

perfect example. dad is responsible for the credit card. there is no issue. dad is responsible for the internet connection. too bad if he left his wifi open for the neighbor to download cp.

DamianJ · 05-03-2011, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by fris

how come no legit news sites report on this, only pirate supporting sites.

funny.

arstechnica an acceptable source?

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...-addresses.ars

AVN?

http://news.avn.com/articles/Judge-C...ng-434890.html

woj · 05-03-2011, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by iamtam

perfect example. dad is responsible for the credit card. there is no issue. dad is responsible for the internet connection. too bad if he left his wifi open for the neighbor to download cp.

What if your mom accidentally clicks on some link, and some spyware gets installed that turns your computer into a proxy? And then bunch of low-lives start using her computer to do shady shit, she should obviously go to jail, "too bad" she didn't take necessary measures to protect her computer?

Rochard · 05-03-2011, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

The same stupid point can be made for a car license plate after a bank robbery. "I wasn't driving, the car was stolen, a neighbor knew where I hid my keys, etc"

You might not be the one who committed the crime but you sure as hell don't get a free pass from having the door kicked in while the investigation is on going.

Sure you do. If someone steals your car and you didn't know it, and then they use that car in a crime, your not guilty of anything other than having your car stolen - which is not a crime.

If someone piggybacks your wireless and uploads a virus that takes down a large percentage of computers, you've done nothing wrong other than being stupid and not locking down your wireless connection. And with most people not having any idea how the Internet works, this is most likely common. I know that at any given time with my laptops I can log in from one of half a dozen unsecure wireless networks in my development here.

react · 05-03-2011, 08:22 AM

This is a good opportunity to open you your wifi, mine's open by design:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/0...eless-movement

Karupted Charles · 05-03-2011, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

What if your mom accidentally clicks on some link, and some spyware gets installed that turns your computer into a proxy? And then bunch of low-lives start using her computer to do shady shit, she should obviously go to jail, "too bad" she didn't take necessary measures to protect her computer?

No but she should not get a free pass. She should have to prove in court that it was a hijacked computer or as you said maybe be aware of what it takes to protect her machine. This should not stop copyright holders from having the ability to at least find out who the IP belongs to track down if they stole or not.

The days of oh I don't know how these computer things work is past. Learn to be responsible with your wifi and computer or prepare for the consequences like you do when you drive, fly or anything else.

MetaMan · 05-03-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Sure you do. If someone steals your car and you didn't know it, and then they use that car in a crime, your not guilty of anything other than having your car stolen - which is not a crime.

If someone piggybacks your wireless and uploads a virus that takes down a large percentage of computers, you've done nothing wrong other than being stupid and not locking down your wireless connection. And with most people not having any idea how the Internet works, this is most likely common. I know that at any given time with my laptops I can log in from one of half a dozen unsecure wireless networks in my development here.

STOP TRYING TO MAKE SENSE! This is GFY!

MetaMan · 05-03-2011, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Karupted Charles

No but she should not get a free pass. She should have to prove in court that it was a hijacked computer or as you said maybe be aware of what it takes to protect her machine. This should not stop copyright holders from having the ability to at least find out who the IP belongs to track down if they stole or not.
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So basically guilty and having to prove yourself innocent? sure sounds like capable justice to me!

Paul Markham · 05-03-2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Karupted Charles

No but she should not get a free pass. She should have to prove in court that it was a hijacked computer or as you said maybe be aware of what it takes to protect her machine. This should not stop copyright holders from having the ability to at least find out who the IP belongs to track down if they stole or not.

The days of oh I don't know how these computer things work is past. Learn to be responsible with your wifi and computer or prepare for the consequences like you do when you drive, fly or anything else.

Agreed. The IP address should just be an indication to who pirated content. From there it should be to court and seizure of the households computers to establish innocence or guilt.

And it should be multiple downloads, not just one individual download.

If the owner of the IP address is guilty then they should be sued to the hilt.

Suing IP addresses isn't the answer to piracy. It's a way for some victims to get back at the perpetrators.

The way to bring down piracy is to stop companies advertising or profiting from their sites. Make Paypal liable for processing for piracy, make AFF liable for advertising on a piracy site. This brings the vast majority of pirating sites or those profiting from piracy to a different financing level.

Less money for the pirate site, less pirates.

It would need a judge to establish in court that a site is a piracy site or aids piracy and te company profits from the site. Then damages will follow.

Will it happen? Not so long as sites like Youtube exist.

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

So basically guilty and having to prove yourself innocent? sure sounds like capable justice to me!

If your car is involved in an accident and you say to the police it was stolen at the time. You have to prove it.

96ukssob · 05-03-2011, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

STOP TRYING TO MAKE SENSE! This is GFY!

MetaMan · 05-03-2011, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If your car is involved in an accident and you say to the police it was stolen at the time. You have to prove it.

Um and you do that how? By telling them it was stolen and answering a couple questions.

If you read his post fully. He clearly states:

"maybe be aware of what it takes to protect her machine"
"Learn to be responsible with your wifi and computer or prepare for the consequences"

So i am guessing with your guys' thinking when you park your car in a "bad" neighborhood and it gets stolen it should be your fault correct? Because you didnt protect it properly.

Learn some logic.

PornoMonster · 05-03-2011, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

do you support the same type of "investigation" for selling porn to minors

if little timmy steals his dad credit card and uses it too join your site.

This is about the fundamental principle of being innocent until proven guilty. A right we ALL should have not just in the cases where we benefit.

Innocent until proven guilty is only in the movies.
One quick example
I had to go to court for Speeding.
The office "said" I was speeding to have a reason to pull me over, since I was in the area at 4am.

When the officer finished speaking at court, the Judge said to me, do you have any DEFENSE, if not you will be guilty

All based on the offices "word" and we all have seen the news about police over the years.

I did then Prove my case.

Another thing to keep in mind, they always ask
"Where were you on the night of .... "
I say "Don't worry about it, PROVE I was somewhere" HA Ill be in Jail

Robbie · 05-03-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Karupted Charles

The days of oh I don't know how these computer things work is past. .

THAT is the absolute truth. The majority of people these days know exactly how the internet works. And when you buy a wireless router these days they now have one button touch to set up wireless security.

My kids know how to do just about anything and everything on a computer. As do most people.

Yeah, back 10 years ago computers were a mystery. Not these days. Everybody is online and have become "veterans" of being online.

Not saying that there aren't some out there...but most people who are online have this figured out already.

And IF they are accused wrongly...then a quick forensics of their computer will prove they are innocent OR guilty.

gideongallery · 05-03-2011, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by iamtam

perfect example. dad is responsible for the credit card. there is no issue. dad is responsible for the internet connection. too bad if he left his wifi open for the neighbor to download cp.

except the laws against selling porn to minors target you (not the dad(

you know your system allows this type of senerio

you are selling porn to minors when it happens

but you don't fix the system before selling any porn (=insecure wifi)

your analogy of the dad being responsible is equivalent to the copyright holder being responsible for accurately proving that content was actually stolen before violating the privacy of the person.

DWB · 05-03-2011, 08:51 AM

I had to unblock you to say this...

This is good news for guys like you gideon. Now you can safely download all the CP you've been dying to download.

DamianJ · 05-03-2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

you can safely download all the CP you've been dying to download.

DWB · 05-03-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

woj · 05-03-2011, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

THAT is the absolute truth. The majority of people these days know exactly how the internet works. And when you buy a wireless router these days they now have one button touch to set up wireless security.

My kids know how to do just about anything and everything on a computer. As do most people.

Yeah, back 10 years ago computers were a mystery. Not these days. Everybody is online and have become "veterans" of being online.

Not saying that there aren't some out there...but most people who are online have this figured out already.

And IF they are accused wrongly...then a quick forensics of their computer will prove they are innocent OR guilty.

You are out of your mind, most people have no idea how the internet works, all they know is how to click on some links...

I would wager that even you, someone who has been in business on the internet for the past 20 years, have little more than a vague idea how the internet works...

How exactly will this step work: "quick forensics of their computer will prove they are innocent OR guilty"?
Who will pick up the equipment? who will perform the forensics? who will pay for it? how exactly will innocence or guilt be determined?

I'm not trying to sound like I support gideongallery and his pro-piracy movement, I don't, but the solution to the problem needs to be realistic... What you proposed is far from feasible...

Barefootsies · 05-03-2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Agreed. The IP address should just be an indication to who pirated content. From there it should be to court and seizure of the households computers to establish innocence or guilt.

Robbie · 05-03-2011, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

You are out of your mind, most people have no idea how the internet works, all they know is how to click on some links...

I would wager that even you, someone who has been in business on the internet for the past 20 years, has little more than a vague idea how the internet works...

How exactly will this step work: "quick forensics of their computer will prove they are innocent OR guilty"?
Who will pick up the equipment? who will perform the forensics? who will pay for it? how exactly will innocence or guilt be determined?

I'm not trying to sound like I support gideongallery and his pro-piracy movement, I don't, but the solution to the problem needs to be realistic... What you proposed is far from feasible...

You don't sound like you support gideongallery. But I can tell you that I don't know one person who isn't computer savvy anymore. And that includes children and older people (my mom is 66 and runs her own forum).

As far as the authorities going through your computer? They do it everyday. They will confiscate your computer and look at what's on your hard drive. Happens all the time.
If it's shown that my IP is downloading and uploading stolen content...then yes they can get my computer and very quickly look at the hard drive and see if I have that content. And they can also find out things I've deleted and what my surfing history is...I've had complete hard drives restored that were completely trashed as far back as 1998. It's not that difficult to find out everything that has ever been on a computer, that's why companies sell encryption software to stop that.

I'm just saying...the days of us thinking we are web "Masters" and the majority of people are ignorant are way over. Most of the clowns on GFY who think they are "webmasters" have less computer knowledge than today's 12 year old.

ottopottomouse · 05-03-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Karupted Charles

The days of oh I don't know how these computer things work is past

Not really. There is still a HUGE number of people who haven't got a clue about anything more technical than how to read/write an email or how to make a complete fucking mess of their computer for someone else to fix

Barefootsies · 05-03-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm just saying...the days of us thinking we are web "Masters" and the majority of people are ignorant are way over. Most of the clowns on GFY who think they are "webmasters" have less computer knowledge than today's 12 year old.

Agent 488 · 05-03-2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

http://torrentfreak.com/ip-address-n...e-says-110503/

about fucking time.

read about this case in some mainstream news outlet. basically it is becoming common and innocent people going down and judges throwing out the cases.

Agent 488 · 05-03-2011, 09:41 AM

let's face it. it's cool to be an anti-torrent and tube hero on gfy but everyone who followed the free have won and those who didn't lost. gfy doesn't put food on your table unless your fatfoo and a message board post isn't going to change technology and society.

pornguy · 05-03-2011, 09:46 AM

I see many sides to this and it just makes it more frustrating.. What will end up happening is an increase in broken knee cases in the ER's around the world.

Barefootsies · 05-03-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

let's face it. it's cool to be an anti-torrent and tube hero on gfy but everyone who followed the free have won and those who didn't lost. gfy doesn't put food on your table unless your fatfoo and a message board post isn't going to change technology and society.

Robbie · 05-03-2011, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

gideongallery · 05-03-2011, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You don't sound like you support gideongallery. But I can tell you that I don't know one person who isn't computer savvy anymore. And that includes children and older people (my mom is 66 and runs her own forum).

As far as the authorities going through your computer? They do it everyday. They will confiscate your computer and look at what's on your hard drive. Happens all the time.
If it's shown that my IP is downloading and uploading stolen content...then yes they can get my computer and very quickly look at the hard drive and see if I have that content. And they can also find out things I've deleted and what my surfing history is...I've had complete hard drives restored that were completely trashed as far back as 1998. It's not that difficult to find out everything that has ever been on a computer, that's why companies sell encryption software to stop that.

the problem is the hacking tools have increased faster than the security (mainly because of the anti-circumvention clause in the DMCA)

now a days even 3des in commercial wifi routers (keyword based hash) can be cracked in under an hour with a modern laptop.

properly secured 3des has a TTL of 28.65 days.

you need to spend at least 20k on a military grade router to truely protect yourself.

The number of people who realize how insecure a "secured" wireless connection is really quite small.

I would hate to see the number of people who get wrongfully convicted because the common computer "expert" believes their wifi is actually secure.

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I'm just saying...the days of us thinking we are web "Masters" and the majority of people are ignorant are way over. Most of the clowns on GFY who think they are "webmasters" have less computer knowledge than today's 12 year old.

i hear you brother it wasn't too long ago that when i pointed out how insecure most networks were, there was an idiot of a webmaster on this board who actually interpreted that to mean there people going around in black vans hacking people secure networks.

What a fucking trailer trash idiot.
Oh wait ....

Tom_PM · 05-03-2011, 10:33 AM

I think an open network is more like a community van that anyone can and does use when they need to. It's not like a personal car where only the owner could possibly use it, or at least know who was using it. That would be more like a secured network IMHO.

gideongallery · 05-03-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

arstechnica an acceptable source?

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...-addresses.ars

AVN?

http://news.avn.com/articles/Judge-C...ng-434890.html

omg

it was john steele who got bitch slapped by the judge

i guess that another one of the little gfy arguements that i won again

Barry-xlovecam · 05-03-2011, 10:43 AM

The obvious thing to do is to sue the persons hosting the copyright infringing content.

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gideongallery · 05-03-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The obvious thing to do is to sue the persons hosting the copyright infringing content.

.

it bit torrent

that no one given the way the technology is designed

or everyone if your trying to make the arguement johnny boy was making

luckly for those who believe in due process johnny boy just got bitch slapped by the judge.

Barefootsies · 05-03-2011, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The obvious thing to do is to sue the persons hosting the copyright infringing content.

Start with Google, and YouTube.

Make sure you report back on how successful that goes.

/sarcasm

L-Pink · 05-03-2011, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Sure you do. If someone steals your car and you didn't know it, and then they use that car in a crime, your not guilty of anything other than having your car stolen - which is not a crime.

I know that Rochard, my point was you will initially bear the brunt of the investigation because it was your property that played a role in the crime.

.

iamtam · 05-03-2011, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

I know that Rochard, my point was you will initially bear the brunt of the investigation because it was your property that played a role in the crime.

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leaving your front door open with a big come on in sign is accepting responsiblity for what happens.

Paul Markham · 05-03-2011, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

Um and you do that how? By telling them it was stolen and answering a couple questions.

And if the police don't accept your answers?

Telling the police after you've been identified for any crime that "It wasn't me because" is the dumbest defense. You seem to think it's fine.

Yes officer I know it was my gun and has my finger prints on, but it was stolen. Honest!!!!

Learn some common sense. Logic you can learn after you have that mastered.

Yes BF, it goes to court and the court decides. The accused is just an accused. Guilty or innocent, is then decided by the court. You're lucky, only a real clown will download clips from C4S and upload them as Torrents. Those with real sites have something to worry about.

DamianJ · 05-03-2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by iamtam

leaving your front door open with a big come on in sign is accepting responsiblity for what happens.

Fortunately, the judge disagreed with you.

Barefootsies · 05-03-2011, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes BF, it goes to court and the court decides. The accused is just an accused. Guilty or innocent, is then decided by the court. You're lucky, only a real clown will download clips from C4S and upload them as Torrents. Those with real sites have something to worry about.

That's funny.

Considering I have shot over 110 models, and 1500+ scenes in just under 10 years.

Most (not all) of this industry does not have 1500 unique scenes on a single site they run/own. Let alone in their entire NETWORK of sites from 1999 or 2001 (as they have not updated in years). While there are some BROgrams with a ton of content, and even more than I've ever shot, they are the exception.... and most likely one of the few still making money.

That said, I am going to agree with Warchild's previous remarks about you recently. Normally I give your idiotic remarks at least a second or two of thought. But the more I see these asinine remarks lately, it really reinforces just how little you know about the current state of the adult industry.

Maybe you like playing devil's advocate. Maybe you like trolling industry boards you are not longer a part of. I honestly do not have a clue what your motivations are. But with each post it really starts reinforcing that technology has left you behind, and apparently you are either mad about it, or have way too much free time on your hands.

DamianJ · 05-03-2011, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

That said, I am going to agree with Warchild's previous remarks about you recently. Normally I give your idiotic remarks at least a second or two of thought. But the more I see these asinine remarks lately, it really reinforces just how little you know about the current state of the adult industry.

Maybe you like playing devil's advocate. Maybe you like trolling industry boards you are not longer a part of. I honestly do not have a clue what your motivations are. But with each post it really starts reinforcing that technology has left you behind, and apparently you are either mad about it, or have way too much free time on your hands.

Each time you bite, he lols some more.

kristin · 05-03-2011, 03:30 PM

My parents would have to call Chris if they wanted to lock down their Wifi, they have no clue.

(Setting JFK up for the 50th post)

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