Top Bucks Lowered Payouts?

[18teens]

If so, I never saw an announcement.

http://topbucks.com/programs.php

$20 per sign-up for 0-9 sign-ups in a pay period
$25 per sign-up for 10-70 sign-ups in a pay period
$30 per sign-up for 71-149 sign-ups in a pay period
$35 per sign-up for 150-349 sign-ups in a pay period
$37 per sign-up for 350+ sign-ups in a pay period

[Emil]

This industry is going doooown.

[Alprazolam]

Apparently there was no notification to affiliates on this. That is the important part. Pretty scumbaggy move if true.

Maybe check for Google caches or something on when that changed.

[Fat Panda]

lowering payouts under the radar . . . sleezy

[Alprazolam]

looks like pimproll has done the same.

[james_clickmemedia]

wow $20 is terrible for a regular join. I guess there retention sucks.'





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[2intense]

Originally Posted by james_clickmemedia

wow $20 is terrible for a regular join. I guess there retention sucks.'





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i agree

[JFK]

Originally Posted by james_clickmemedia

wow $20 is terrible for a regular join. I guess there retention sucks.'





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Could it be a reflection of the state of things ?

[Brujah]

How else could they afford all those Ipads they just gave away to staff?

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Alprazolam

looks like pimproll has done the same.

Pimproll's $20 pps is on their $14.95 price point, they still have $30-35 if you do $1-5 trials.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by Brujah

How else could they afford all those Ipads they just gave away to staff?

oh no

[Klen]

Surfers are not dumb anymore,if you pull a hidden crossale they will do full chargeback.

[Agent 488]

where is my ipad?

[18teens]

Originally Posted by Alprazolam

looks like pimproll has done the same.

Pimproll's payouts look the same as always.

http://www.pimproll.com/programs.html

hahaha, on the other hand, has lowered payouts on all their programs.

[SuzzyQ]

Originally Posted by 18teens

hahaha, on the other hand, has lowered payouts on all their programs.

Another reason I stopped promoting them.

[kristin]

I will explain ... let me do up the post.

[Phoenix]

they need more content..like mine ;)

[babymaker]

Pimproll is the same I had a few sales the last few days there and everything is normal. Where did you see a change, like posted about that lower amount is only on the new $10 a month membership.

[kristin]

Okay we use to pay $30-35 PPS based on the volume of sales, hell we even paid up to $42 per sale for those who could send over 250 sales per period. We did this for years. Well, webmaster sales began to slip naturally as did most programs and affiliates. So now, we are paying $42 per signup on those accounts and they would be sending 1/3 of the sales.

So we did a huge DB cleanup and we re-structured the program for NEW webmasters who signup. We honored all existing payouts and some are still at $42 per signup.

Now, anyone who knows how this industry works, send more sales, get more money. So at any time if you feel $20 per signup is too low, hit us up. But for those WMs who send a join here or there, they are happy with the PPS or they do revshare.

We don't do shady xsales, we removed exits completely, we try to give the surfer a great experience, we really don't want to be douchey to our members or webmasters.

Hit myself, Sly or Nadya up to discuss an increase in payout.

ICQ #: 147-945-440
kristin @ tobpucks.com

[kristin]

As for all the iPad comments, the lowed payout happened well before our mobile began to rock. We were in the same decline as everyone else. We just happen to get onto mobile faster than most and are now rebounding, increasing in sales and revenue.

[Agent 488]

that's not true. you used to be 30-35 pps for regular sites and 15 for mobile.

i sent you hundreds of sales last year. don't lie.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

that's not true. you used to be 30-35 pps for regular sites and 15 for mobile.

i sent you hundreds of sales last year. don't lie.

Right and we restructured it for new affiliates. Mobile has always been $15 PPS, that never changed.

If you send hundreds of joins last year, hit us up. However, hundreds of joins, let's say 500 - that's one sale per day. Am I complaining? No, but not everyone can expect to be paid the same as a guy who sends 25 sales per day.

However, most that complain either aren't active or send a join here or there and it's hard to justify an increase in payout on those accounts.

[- LOL -]

asshole move on their part

[PR_Dave]

PimpRoll has not changed payouts. We may be raising them on the discount option soon ;)

[18teens]

Originally Posted by kristin

Okay we use to pay $30-35 PPS based on the volume of sales, hell we even paid up to $42 per sale for those who could send over 250 sales per period. We did this for years. Well, webmaster sales began to slip naturally as did most programs and affiliates. So now, we are paying $42 per signup on those accounts and they would be sending 1/3 of the sales.

So we did a huge DB cleanup and we re-structured the program for NEW webmasters who signup. We honored all existing payouts and some are still at $42 per signup.

Now, anyone who knows how this industry works, send more sales, get more money. So at any time if you feel $20 per signup is too low, hit us up. But for those WMs who send a join here or there, they are happy with the PPS or they do revshare.

We don't do shady xsales, we removed exits completely, we try to give the surfer a great experience, we really don't want to be douchey to our members or webmasters.

Hit myself, Sly or Nadya up to discuss an increase in payout.

ICQ #: 147-945-440
kristin @ tobpucks.com

To clarify: This change is for new affiliates only? I've had an account with Top Bucks for years now so my payouts are still the same?

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by kristin

I will explain ... let me do up the post.

[newB]

Originally Posted by 18teens

To clarify: This change is for new affiliates only? I've had an account with Top Bucks for years now so my payouts are still the same?

I just checked, and they're unchanged for me ($30), and I would have to admit I'm not sending them a whole lot by any stretch of the imagination.

[18teens]

Originally Posted by newB

I just checked, and they're unchanged for me ($30), and I would have to admit I'm not sending them a whole lot by any stretch of the imagination.

Cool, thanks. They really could have done a better job communicating this change.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by 18teens

Cool, thanks. They really could have done a better job communicating this change.

Like I said, it happened well over a year ago and I do believe we did communicate it to our webmasters, and we made it clear on the site and in the TOS for new web masters.

[19teenporn]

Everyone is lowering their PPS

We are doomed!

[seeandsee]

industry is sinking on some areas, i dont know where will this all finish

[PenisFace]

This is why I stick with revshare. Less initial, more in the long run if the site doesn't blow. Win/win.

[AmeliaG]

I would way rather a PPS program did the math and adjusted as needed in the recession than that they go out of business or shave.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by PenisFace

This is why I stick with revshare. Less initial, more in the long run if the site doesn't blow. Win/win.

Right .. Until the site goes out of the business or the fucking processor goes tits up.

I've gambled on Revshare twice and been fucked over on rebills big time by major processors disappearing. When I factor in the loss of rebills, revshare actually pays me less than PPS and over time too! I'm still converting large fairly saturated PPS sponsors at 1:400 or better and there's no way I can make $35 on 400 uniques to most revshare programs these days, even if they do manage to stay in business.

Most of the major lessons about life are introducted to us as children. Surely you've heard that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush?

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by kristin

So we did a huge DB cleanup and we re-structured the program for NEW webmasters who signup. We honored all existing payouts and some are still at $42 per signup.

So only new webmaster accounts are affected by your new payout structure? Existing webmasters still get $30 - $35 PPS? Is that right?

[Lilit]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

So only new webmaster accounts are affected by your new payout structure? Existing webmasters still get $30 - $35 PPS? Is that right?

This is right.

Nothing has changed for anyone - if at the time of your account signup we were offering $30-$35 PPS payout, then it stayed the same for you.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Right .. Until the site goes out of the business or the fucking processor goes tits up.

I've gambled on Revshare twice and been fucked over on rebills big time by major processors disappearing. When I factor in the loss of rebills, revshare actually pays me less than PPS and over time too! I'm still converting large fairly saturated PPS sponsors at 1:400 or better and there's no way I can make $35 on 400 uniques to most revshare programs these days, even if they do manage to stay in business.

The same can be said about PPS companies. SOBV is a grand example.

Revshare billers may go tits up, and PPS companies may run with the money or just stop paying.

It's all a risk.

Any of these companies, regardless of pay structure, can be here and solid today, and gone tomorrow.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by DWB

The same can be said about PPS companies. SOBV is a grand example.

Revshare billers may go tits up, and PPS companies may run with the money or just stop paying.

It's all a risk.

Any of these companies, regardless of pay structure, can be here and solid today, and gone tomorrow.

Yep. Diversification is the key to long term survival. I try to keep my income coming from at least 3 main sources and 4 is ideal. I think of it as a car that gets a flat tire from time to time. If I can't get that tire fixed quickly it may be a 3 wheeler or a motorcycle for a brief period, but as soon as I get back in a car I feel safer.

[james_clickmemedia]

Originally Posted by JFK

Could it be a reflection of the state of things ?

Yes which is why most program's cannot afford to pay $50 pps, however speaking only for myself each member is worth over $30 to us so we can still continue to pay $30pps and make a profit.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by james_clickmemedia

Yes which is why most program's cannot afford to pay $50 pps, however speaking only for myself each member is worth over $30 to us so we can still continue to pay $30pps and make a profit.

You do a $1 trial that rebills at $40, with upgrades - you best make more than $30 average doing that. TB's trials rebill at $30, that gap in costs is the payment difference gap.

Besides that, volume is the difference. CB's happen no mater what, and at TB's size they don't play the 1% ratio game, they play the $$$ CB volume game with ratios added in. So it's just logical, drop the prices and stop having to worry with the limits near as much, if any.... while you guarantee yourself and your aff's a safe future.

[james_clickmemedia]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

You do a $1 trial that rebills at $40, with upgrades - you best make more than $30 average doing that. TB's trials rebill at $30, that gap in costs is the payment difference gap.

Besides that, volume is the difference. CB's happen no mater what, and at TB's size they don't play the 1% ratio game, they play the $$$ CB volume game with ratios added in. So it's just logical, drop the prices and stop having to worry with the limits near as much, if any.... while you guarantee yourself and your aff's a safe future.

We have tried many price points over the years and lowering the monthly re-bill rate does not increase retention enough.

Also everybody plays the 1% ratio game that's why everybody uses multiple merchant accounts. It is nearly impossible to stay below 1% no matter what your volume.

In respect of the monthly re-bill rate it is great if affiliates can generate traffic cheap enough. We buy quite a bit of traffic and getting it cheap enough to make a profit on $20 pps is impossible in my experience. By that I mean it costs me more than $20 to buy enough traffic to get a join so I need to be paid at least $30 to hope I make a profit.

To each their own I guess.

Maybe I just suck at buying traffic.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by JFK

Could it be a reflection of the state of things ?

I think we can look at a lot of things and wonder if it's a reflection on the state of the industry. Does lower payouts mean a program is in trouble? Not necessarily, we want to still be around in another ten years paying out webmasters.

I see people let go from their job all the time, in fact four people who hold the same job I do for another company (sales and marketing directors) have been let go in the last six weeks. State of things? Cause TB is always hiring.

[Relentless]

If its only changed for NEW affiliates, there was nothing to communicate.
Anyone already being paid had no change and anyone signing up saw the new rate that would be applied to their new accounts.
Its only when changes are made to existing accounts that notices need to be sent.
I've had an account there for years and have not seen my rate changed at all.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by kristin

We don't do shady xsales, we removed exits completely, we try to give the surfer a great experience, we really don't want to be douchey to our members or webmasters.

Hit myself, Sly or Nadya up to discuss an increase in payout.

ICQ #: 147-945-440
kristin @ tobpucks.com

why I like TopBucks!

[kristin]

Originally Posted by Relentless

If its only changed for NEW affiliates, there was nothing to communicate.
Anyone already being paid had no change and anyone signing up saw the new rate that would be applied to their new accounts.
Its only when changes are made to existing accounts that notices need to be sent.
I've had an account there for years and have not seen my rate changed at all.

Thank you! Normally when a program makes changes that does not affect existing WMs, they don't broadcast it. To avoid threads like these.

Any new WM that signed up was fully aware of the payout.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by james_clickmemedia

We have tried many price points over the years and lowering the monthly re-bill rate does not increase retention enough.

Also everybody plays the 1% ratio game that's why everybody uses multiple merchant accounts. It is nearly impossible to stay below 1% no matter what your volume.

In respect of the monthly re-bill rate it is great if affiliates can generate traffic cheap enough. We buy quite a bit of traffic and getting it cheap enough to make a profit on $20 pps is impossible in my experience. By that I mean it costs me more than $20 to buy enough traffic to get a join so I need to be paid at least $30 to hope I make a profit.

To each their own I guess.

Maybe I just suck at buying traffic.

CB's aren't actually 1 out of 100, which gives you 1%.. It's 1% over 100 CB's monthly, with a per-transaction ratio and monthly volume, all added/twisted together to give ratios to people that actually have ratios.

The bigger you are, the more you have to watch this.... and just because someone has multiple merchant accounts doesn't mean they're rolling CB's or exchanging volume. Because, once you're TB's size, if you pump a merchant account with sales - you can never stop, or you will always hit the CB limits.


I buy based on ROI, if my average is $30 PPS right now, no traffic buy in the world would get more than that.

[SpicyM]

I once got a free access to their sites, it was like 6 years ago.. If I were a surfer, I would charge back after a first click in the members area back then. I could not find any original content, just bunch of feeds, games, ads and similiar shit. Total mess. Was the same with all the big sponsors from the time. I cant believe people actually stayed as members of these paysites. I seriously hope they completely rebuilt their sites.

[Lilit]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

I once got a free access to their sites, it was like 6 years ago.. If I were a surfer, I would charge back after a first click in the members area back then. I could not find any original content, just bunch of feeds, games, ads and similiar shit. Total mess. Was the same with all the big sponsors from the time. I cant believe people actually stayed as members of these paysites. I seriously hope they completely rebuilt their sites.

I'm sure many will disagree with you, especially on your statement about lack of original content.

Perhaps you want to send some traffic and check out our members area now? 6 years ago it was a different age in this business

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by DWB

The same can be said about PPS companies. SOBV is a grand example.

Revshare billers may go tits up, and PPS companies may run with the money or just stop paying.

It's all a risk.

Any of these companies, regardless of pay structure, can be here and solid today, and gone tomorrow.

But it's not the same thing, is it? The exposure period with revshare is much greater. The longer it takes to pay out my money, the longer I am at risk of losing some or all of it.

With PPS, I'm looking at my payout generally within about two weeks. To make the same amount off of a revshare sponsor is going to take at LEAST 2 months, generally.

So fore me, specifically, I'm looking at 4 times the exposure at minimum and I don't see greater returns over the long run either once I factor in losses of billers and rebills over the last 10 years.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by WarChild

But it's not the same thing, is it? The exposure period with PPS is much greater. The longer it takes to pay out my money, the longer I am at risk of losing some or all of it.

With PPS, I'm looking at my payout generally within about two weeks. To make the same amount off of a PPS sponsor is going to take at LEAST 2 months, generally.

I think that may include a time investment... like if you're making $30pps vs. revshare with an average value of $30 (time of course), you're basically hit the same if they both fold up.

In the short term, it probably is safer to go with PPS, but if you know a company is solid and your traffic matches well, revshare can kick PPS in the teeth for your profits. A bit of danger and game either way....

Edit, I guess it does equal out... If you're banking on the investment and it's lost, that's harsh. Same fold, if you're banking on the money up front and it goes, it's going to hurt either way.