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  • 18teens
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2002
    • 1605
    #1

    Top Bucks Lowered Payouts?

    If so, I never saw an announcement.

    http://topbucks.com/programs.php

    $20 per sign-up for 0-9 sign-ups in a pay period
    $25 per sign-up for 10-70 sign-ups in a pay period
    $30 per sign-up for 71-149 sign-ups in a pay period
    $35 per sign-up for 150-349 sign-ups in a pay period
    $37 per sign-up for 350+ sign-ups in a pay period
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    • Emil
      Confirmed User
      • Feb 2007
      • 5658
      #2
      This industry is going doooown.
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        • Alprazolam
          So Fucking Banned
          • Aug 2005
          • 864
          #3
          Apparently there was no notification to affiliates on this. That is the important part. Pretty scumbaggy move if true.

          Maybe check for Google caches or something on when that changed.
          Last edited by Alprazolam; 04-16-2011, 08:53 AM.

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            • Fat Panda
              Porn is Dead. Move along.
              • Aug 2006
              • 13296
              #4
              lowering payouts under the radar . . . sleezy

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                • Alprazolam
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 864
                  #5
                  looks like pimproll has done the same.

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                    • james_clickmemedia
                      Confirmed User
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 2204
                      #6
                      wow $20 is terrible for a regular join. I guess there retention sucks.'





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                        • 2intense
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                          • Dec 2009
                          • 12493
                          #7
                          Originally posted by james_clickmemedia
                          wow $20 is terrible for a regular join. I guess there retention sucks.'





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                            • JFK
                              FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 67373
                              #8
                              Originally posted by james_clickmemedia
                              wow $20 is terrible for a regular join. I guess there retention sucks.'





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                              Could it be a reflection of the state of things ?

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                                • Brujah
                                  Beer Money Baron
                                  • Jan 2001
                                  • 22157
                                  #9
                                  How else could they afford all those Ipads they just gave away to staff?

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                                    • fuzebox
                                      making it rain
                                      • Oct 2003
                                      • 22352
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Alprazolam
                                      looks like pimproll has done the same.
                                      Pimproll's $20 pps is on their $14.95 price point, they still have $30-35 if you do $1-5 trials.

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                                        • cherrylula
                                          lol
                                          • Jan 2002
                                          • 15969
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Brujah
                                          How else could they afford all those Ipads they just gave away to staff?
                                          oh no

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                                            • Klen
                                              • Aug 2006
                                              • 32235
                                              #12
                                              Surfers are not dumb anymore,if you pull a hidden crossale they will do full chargeback.

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                                                • Agent 488
                                                  Registered User
                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                  • 22511
                                                  #13
                                                  where is my ipad?

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                                                    • 18teens
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                      • 1605
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Alprazolam
                                                      looks like pimproll has done the same.
                                                      Pimproll's payouts look the same as always.

                                                      http://www.pimproll.com/programs.html

                                                      hahaha, on the other hand, has lowered payouts on all their programs.

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                                                        • SuzzyQ
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Dec 2006
                                                          • 1557
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by 18teens

                                                          hahaha, on the other hand, has lowered payouts on all their programs.
                                                          Another reason I stopped promoting them.

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                                                            • kristin
                                                              GOO!
                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                              • 9768
                                                              #16
                                                              I will explain ... let me do up the post.
                                                              Vacares rules.

                                                              "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

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                                                                • Phoenix
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                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                  • 35475
                                                                  #17
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                                                                    • babymaker
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                      • 4751
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Pimproll is the same I had a few sales the last few days there and everything is normal. Where did you see a change, like posted about that lower amount is only on the new $10 a month membership.

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                                                                        • kristin
                                                                          GOO!
                                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                                          • 9768
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Okay we use to pay $30-35 PPS based on the volume of sales, hell we even paid up to $42 per sale for those who could send over 250 sales per period. We did this for years. Well, webmaster sales began to slip naturally as did most programs and affiliates. So now, we are paying $42 per signup on those accounts and they would be sending 1/3 of the sales.

                                                                          So we did a huge DB cleanup and we re-structured the program for NEW webmasters who signup. We honored all existing payouts and some are still at $42 per signup.

                                                                          Now, anyone who knows how this industry works, send more sales, get more money. So at any time if you feel $20 per signup is too low, hit us up. But for those WMs who send a join here or there, they are happy with the PPS or they do revshare.

                                                                          We don't do shady xsales, we removed exits completely, we try to give the surfer a great experience, we really don't want to be douchey to our members or webmasters.

                                                                          Hit myself, Sly or Nadya up to discuss an increase in payout.

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                                                                          Vacares rules.

                                                                          "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

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                                                                            • kristin
                                                                              GOO!
                                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                                              • 9768
                                                                              #20
                                                                              As for all the iPad comments, the lowed payout happened well before our mobile began to rock. We were in the same decline as everyone else. We just happen to get onto mobile faster than most and are now rebounding, increasing in sales and revenue.
                                                                              Vacares rules.

                                                                              "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

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                                                                                • Agent 488
                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                                                  • 22511
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  that's not true. you used to be 30-35 pps for regular sites and 15 for mobile.

                                                                                  i sent you hundreds of sales last year. don't lie.

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                                                                                    • kristin
                                                                                      GOO!
                                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                                      • 9768
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Agent 488
                                                                                      that's not true. you used to be 30-35 pps for regular sites and 15 for mobile.

                                                                                      i sent you hundreds of sales last year. don't lie.
                                                                                      Right and we restructured it for new affiliates. Mobile has always been $15 PPS, that never changed.

                                                                                      If you send hundreds of joins last year, hit us up. However, hundreds of joins, let's say 500 - that's one sale per day. Am I complaining? No, but not everyone can expect to be paid the same as a guy who sends 25 sales per day.

                                                                                      However, most that complain either aren't active or send a join here or there and it's hard to justify an increase in payout on those accounts.
                                                                                      Vacares rules.

                                                                                      "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

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                                                                                        • - LOL -
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Sep 2010
                                                                                          • 396
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          asshole move on their part

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                                                                                            • PR_Dave
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                                              • 2792
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              PimpRoll has not changed payouts. We may be raising them on the discount option soon ;)

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                                                                                                • 18teens
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                  • 1605
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by kristin
                                                                                                  Okay we use to pay $30-35 PPS based on the volume of sales, hell we even paid up to $42 per sale for those who could send over 250 sales per period. We did this for years. Well, webmaster sales began to slip naturally as did most programs and affiliates. So now, we are paying $42 per signup on those accounts and they would be sending 1/3 of the sales.

                                                                                                  So we did a huge DB cleanup and we re-structured the program for NEW webmasters who signup. We honored all existing payouts and some are still at $42 per signup.

                                                                                                  Now, anyone who knows how this industry works, send more sales, get more money. So at any time if you feel $20 per signup is too low, hit us up. But for those WMs who send a join here or there, they are happy with the PPS or they do revshare.

                                                                                                  We don't do shady xsales, we removed exits completely, we try to give the surfer a great experience, we really don't want to be douchey to our members or webmasters.

                                                                                                  Hit myself, Sly or Nadya up to discuss an increase in payout.

                                                                                                  ICQ #: 147-945-440
                                                                                                  kristin @ tobpucks.com
                                                                                                  To clarify: This change is for new affiliates only? I've had an account with Top Bucks for years now so my payouts are still the same?

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                                                                                                    • Barefootsies
                                                                                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                                      • 42635
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by kristin
                                                                                                      I will explain ... let me do up the post.
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                                                                                                        • newB
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                                                                                                          • Jul 2006
                                                                                                          • 2870
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by 18teens
                                                                                                          To clarify: This change is for new affiliates only? I've had an account with Top Bucks for years now so my payouts are still the same?
                                                                                                          I just checked, and they're unchanged for me ($30), and I would have to admit I'm not sending them a whole lot by any stretch of the imagination.

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                                                                                                            • 18teens
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                                              • 1605
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by newB
                                                                                                              I just checked, and they're unchanged for me ($30), and I would have to admit I'm not sending them a whole lot by any stretch of the imagination.
                                                                                                              Cool, thanks. They really could have done a better job communicating this change.

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                                                                                                                • kristin
                                                                                                                  GOO!
                                                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                  • 9768
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by 18teens
                                                                                                                  Cool, thanks. They really could have done a better job communicating this change.
                                                                                                                  Like I said, it happened well over a year ago and I do believe we did communicate it to our webmasters, and we made it clear on the site and in the TOS for new web masters.
                                                                                                                  Vacares rules.

                                                                                                                  "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

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                                                                                                                    • 19teenporn
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Apr 2011
                                                                                                                      • 3034
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Everyone is lowering their PPS

                                                                                                                      We are doomed!

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                                                                                                                        • seeandsee
                                                                                                                          Check SIG!
                                                                                                                          • Mar 2006
                                                                                                                          • 50945
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          industry is sinking on some areas, i dont know where will this all finish
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                                                                                                                            • PenisFace
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                                                                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                              • 3774
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              This is why I stick with revshare. Less initial, more in the long run if the site doesn't blow. Win/win.
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                                                                                                                                • AmeliaG
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                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 10663
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  I would way rather a PPS program did the math and adjusted as needed in the recession than that they go out of business or shave.
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                                                                                                                                    • WarChild
                                                                                                                                      Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 17263
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by PenisFace
                                                                                                                                      This is why I stick with revshare. Less initial, more in the long run if the site doesn't blow. Win/win.
                                                                                                                                      Right .. Until the site goes out of the business or the fucking processor goes tits up.

                                                                                                                                      I've gambled on Revshare twice and been fucked over on rebills big time by major processors disappearing. When I factor in the loss of rebills, revshare actually pays me less than PPS and over time too! I'm still converting large fairly saturated PPS sponsors at 1:400 or better and there's no way I can make $35 on 400 uniques to most revshare programs these days, even if they do manage to stay in business.

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                                                                                                                                        • SomeCreep
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                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 26118
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by kristin

                                                                                                                                          So we did a huge DB cleanup and we re-structured the program for NEW webmasters who signup. We honored all existing payouts and some are still at $42 per signup.
                                                                                                                                          So only new webmaster accounts are affected by your new payout structure? Existing webmasters still get $30 - $35 PPS? Is that right?

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                                                                                                                                            • Lilit
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                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2007
                                                                                                                                              • 1645
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by SomeCreep
                                                                                                                                              So only new webmaster accounts are affected by your new payout structure? Existing webmasters still get $30 - $35 PPS? Is that right?
                                                                                                                                              This is right.

                                                                                                                                              Nothing has changed for anyone - if at the time of your account signup we were offering $30-$35 PPS payout, then it stayed the same for you.
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                                                                                                                                                • DWB
                                                                                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 31779
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                                                                                  Right .. Until the site goes out of the business or the fucking processor goes tits up.

                                                                                                                                                  I've gambled on Revshare twice and been fucked over on rebills big time by major processors disappearing. When I factor in the loss of rebills, revshare actually pays me less than PPS and over time too! I'm still converting large fairly saturated PPS sponsors at 1:400 or better and there's no way I can make $35 on 400 uniques to most revshare programs these days, even if they do manage to stay in business.
                                                                                                                                                  The same can be said about PPS companies. SOBV is a grand example.

                                                                                                                                                  Revshare billers may go tits up, and PPS companies may run with the money or just stop paying.

                                                                                                                                                  It's all a risk.

                                                                                                                                                  Any of these companies, regardless of pay structure, can be here and solid today, and gone tomorrow.

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                                                                                                                                                    • iSpyCams
                                                                                                                                                      Amateur Gynecologist
                                                                                                                                                      • May 2009
                                                                                                                                                      • 4436
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by DWB
                                                                                                                                                      The same can be said about PPS companies. SOBV is a grand example.

                                                                                                                                                      Revshare billers may go tits up, and PPS companies may run with the money or just stop paying.

                                                                                                                                                      It's all a risk.

                                                                                                                                                      Any of these companies, regardless of pay structure, can be here and solid today, and gone tomorrow.
                                                                                                                                                      Yep. Diversification is the key to long term survival. I try to keep my income coming from at least 3 main sources and 4 is ideal. I think of it as a car that gets a flat tire from time to time. If I can't get that tire fixed quickly it may be a 3 wheeler or a motorcycle for a brief period, but as soon as I get back in a car I feel safer.
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                                                                                                                                                        • james_clickmemedia
                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 2204
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by JFK
                                                                                                                                                          Could it be a reflection of the state of things ?
                                                                                                                                                          Yes which is why most program's cannot afford to pay $50 pps, however speaking only for myself each member is worth over $30 to us so we can still continue to pay $30pps and make a profit.
                                                                                                                                                          $ CLICKMEMEDIA.COM $ CONVERTING ETHNIC TRAFFIC SINCE 1998 ~ $30+PPS
                                                                                                                                                          BLACK-X.COM - NEW BLACK EX-GF SITE
                                                                                                                                                          CLICKMEMEDIA.COM ~ ICQ - 8788771

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                                                                                                                                                            • TheDoc
                                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                              • 13827
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by james_clickmemedia
                                                                                                                                                              Yes which is why most program's cannot afford to pay $50 pps, however speaking only for myself each member is worth over $30 to us so we can still continue to pay $30pps and make a profit.
                                                                                                                                                              You do a $1 trial that rebills at $40, with upgrades - you best make more than $30 average doing that. TB's trials rebill at $30, that gap in costs is the payment difference gap.

                                                                                                                                                              Besides that, volume is the difference. CB's happen no mater what, and at TB's size they don't play the 1% ratio game, they play the $$$ CB volume game with ratios added in. So it's just logical, drop the prices and stop having to worry with the limits near as much, if any.... while you guarantee yourself and your aff's a safe future.
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                                                                                                                                                                • james_clickmemedia
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 2204
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                                                                  You do a $1 trial that rebills at $40, with upgrades - you best make more than $30 average doing that. TB's trials rebill at $30, that gap in costs is the payment difference gap.

                                                                                                                                                                  Besides that, volume is the difference. CB's happen no mater what, and at TB's size they don't play the 1% ratio game, they play the $$$ CB volume game with ratios added in. So it's just logical, drop the prices and stop having to worry with the limits near as much, if any.... while you guarantee yourself and your aff's a safe future.
                                                                                                                                                                  We have tried many price points over the years and lowering the monthly re-bill rate does not increase retention enough.

                                                                                                                                                                  Also everybody plays the 1% ratio game that's why everybody uses multiple merchant accounts. It is nearly impossible to stay below 1% no matter what your volume.

                                                                                                                                                                  In respect of the monthly re-bill rate it is great if affiliates can generate traffic cheap enough. We buy quite a bit of traffic and getting it cheap enough to make a profit on $20 pps is impossible in my experience. By that I mean it costs me more than $20 to buy enough traffic to get a join so I need to be paid at least $30 to hope I make a profit.

                                                                                                                                                                  To each their own I guess.

                                                                                                                                                                  Maybe I just suck at buying traffic.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • kristin
                                                                                                                                                                      GOO!
                                                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 9768
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by JFK
                                                                                                                                                                      Could it be a reflection of the state of things ?
                                                                                                                                                                      I think we can look at a lot of things and wonder if it's a reflection on the state of the industry. Does lower payouts mean a program is in trouble? Not necessarily, we want to still be around in another ten years paying out webmasters.

                                                                                                                                                                      I see people let go from their job all the time, in fact four people who hold the same job I do for another company (sales and marketing directors) have been let go in the last six weeks. State of things? Cause TB is always hiring.
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Relentless
                                                                                                                                                                          www.EngineFood.com
                                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                                                          • 5697
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          If its only changed for NEW affiliates, there was nothing to communicate.
                                                                                                                                                                          Anyone already being paid had no change and anyone signing up saw the new rate that would be applied to their new accounts.
                                                                                                                                                                          Its only when changes are made to existing accounts that notices need to be sent.
                                                                                                                                                                          I've had an account there for years and have not seen my rate changed at all.


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                                                                                                                                                                            • cherrylula
                                                                                                                                                                              lol
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                              • 15969
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by kristin
                                                                                                                                                                              We don't do shady xsales, we removed exits completely, we try to give the surfer a great experience, we really don't want to be douchey to our members or webmasters.

                                                                                                                                                                              Hit myself, Sly or Nadya up to discuss an increase in payout.

                                                                                                                                                                              ICQ #: 147-945-440
                                                                                                                                                                              kristin @ tobpucks.com
                                                                                                                                                                              why I like TopBucks!

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                                                                                                                                                                                • kristin
                                                                                                                                                                                  GOO!
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 9768
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Relentless
                                                                                                                                                                                  If its only changed for NEW affiliates, there was nothing to communicate.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Anyone already being paid had no change and anyone signing up saw the new rate that would be applied to their new accounts.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Its only when changes are made to existing accounts that notices need to be sent.
                                                                                                                                                                                  I've had an account there for years and have not seen my rate changed at all.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Thank you! Normally when a program makes changes that does not affect existing WMs, they don't broadcast it. To avoid threads like these.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Any new WM that signed up was fully aware of the payout.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Vacares rules.

                                                                                                                                                                                  "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • TheDoc
                                                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 13827
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by james_clickmemedia
                                                                                                                                                                                      We have tried many price points over the years and lowering the monthly re-bill rate does not increase retention enough.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Also everybody plays the 1% ratio game that's why everybody uses multiple merchant accounts. It is nearly impossible to stay below 1% no matter what your volume.

                                                                                                                                                                                      In respect of the monthly re-bill rate it is great if affiliates can generate traffic cheap enough. We buy quite a bit of traffic and getting it cheap enough to make a profit on $20 pps is impossible in my experience. By that I mean it costs me more than $20 to buy enough traffic to get a join so I need to be paid at least $30 to hope I make a profit.

                                                                                                                                                                                      To each their own I guess.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Maybe I just suck at buying traffic.
                                                                                                                                                                                      CB's aren't actually 1 out of 100, which gives you 1%.. It's 1% over 100 CB's monthly, with a per-transaction ratio and monthly volume, all added/twisted together to give ratios to people that actually have ratios.

                                                                                                                                                                                      The bigger you are, the more you have to watch this.... and just because someone has multiple merchant accounts doesn't mean they're rolling CB's or exchanging volume. Because, once you're TB's size, if you pump a merchant account with sales - you can never stop, or you will always hit the CB limits.


                                                                                                                                                                                      I buy based on ROI, if my average is $30 PPS right now, no traffic buy in the world would get more than that.
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • SpicyM
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2006
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                                                                                                                                                                                          I once got a free access to their sites, it was like 6 years ago.. If I were a surfer, I would charge back after a first click in the members area back then. I could not find any original content, just bunch of feeds, games, ads and similiar shit. Total mess. Was the same with all the big sponsors from the time. I cant believe people actually stayed as members of these paysites. I seriously hope they completely rebuilt their sites.
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Lilit
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2007
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                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by SpicyM
                                                                                                                                                                                              I once got a free access to their sites, it was like 6 years ago.. If I were a surfer, I would charge back after a first click in the members area back then. I could not find any original content, just bunch of feeds, games, ads and similiar shit. Total mess. Was the same with all the big sponsors from the time. I cant believe people actually stayed as members of these paysites. I seriously hope they completely rebuilt their sites.
                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm sure many will disagree with you, especially on your statement about lack of original content.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Perhaps you want to send some traffic and check out our members area now? 6 years ago it was a different age in this business
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • WarChild
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by DWB
                                                                                                                                                                                                  The same can be said about PPS companies. SOBV is a grand example.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Revshare billers may go tits up, and PPS companies may run with the money or just stop paying.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's all a risk.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Any of these companies, regardless of pay structure, can be here and solid today, and gone tomorrow.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  But it's not the same thing, is it? The exposure period with revshare is much greater. The longer it takes to pay out my money, the longer I am at risk of losing some or all of it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  With PPS, I'm looking at my payout generally within about two weeks. To make the same amount off of a revshare sponsor is going to take at LEAST 2 months, generally.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  So fore me, specifically, I'm looking at 4 times the exposure at minimum and I don't see greater returns over the long run either once I factor in losses of billers and rebills over the last 10 years.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • TheDoc
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                                                                                                                                      But it's not the same thing, is it? The exposure period with PPS is much greater. The longer it takes to pay out my money, the longer I am at risk of losing some or all of it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      With PPS, I'm looking at my payout generally within about two weeks. To make the same amount off of a PPS sponsor is going to take at LEAST 2 months, generally.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think that may include a time investment... like if you're making $30pps vs. revshare with an average value of $30 (time of course), you're basically hit the same if they both fold up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      In the short term, it probably is safer to go with PPS, but if you know a company is solid and your traffic matches well, revshare can kick PPS in the teeth for your profits. A bit of danger and game either way....

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Edit, I guess it does equal out... If you're banking on the investment and it's lost, that's harsh. Same fold, if you're banking on the money up front and it goes, it's going to hurt either way.
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