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Old 04-15-2011, 10:59 AM   #1
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Max Hardcore on XNXX

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Old 04-15-2011, 11:13 AM   #2
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old man banging two young women is what i see everyone is getting paid
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oh man you found the achilles heel of the tubes!!!!!!!!!!!!

sales like 1999 again!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-15-2011, 11:17 AM   #4
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I'm guessing that you are thinking that the material is obscene or that somebody will find it obscene?



Wouldn't it be great if a tube site got indicted for distributing obscene material?
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That's some great acting there.
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if anything they will just go after the uploader. big deal. xnxx aint going anywhere.
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That's some great acting there.
are the Oscars at the ready ?
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i dislike the top ad on the right side.. way too petite for an ad.
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Funny thread, just thought I would share it
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Old 04-15-2011, 12:29 PM   #11
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discuss why you are linking to illegal tubes with full length movie? seems like a great topic
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Death to all tubes! Tube owners are lazy fucks as well

Maybe all content shooters should ban together and go on strike until the tubes go away.
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Max Hardcore is a retard. I would wipe a street with his fucking face until there would be no any fucking face if I ever met him in the dark alley.


http://video.xnxx.com/video135164/je..._by_max_part_5
http://video.xnxx.com/video468165/rebecca_to_the_max
http://video.xnxx.com/video408905/sexy_jessie


WTF is this shit anyway? They can't handle it, they are crying, they ask for a break and he rapes them? Those girls obviously signed papers because they needed cash and most certainly they even didn't know how the shit is gonna look like.

He is walking piece of shit.
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hey danger they needed the cash they signed the papers... your a fucking white knight that wants to save the whores are you serious? I'd wipe the street with your fucking face as a warmup on my way to warmup for a slow grappling match......


don't be a hater cause you can't get a girls number much less talk her into doing what you want like max does... one day my friend you will learn all women are whores
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Max Hardcore is a retard. I would wipe a street with his fucking face until there would be no any fucking face if I ever met him in the dark alley.


http://video.xnxx.com/video135164/je..._by_max_part_5
http://video.xnxx.com/video468165/rebecca_to_the_max
http://video.xnxx.com/video408905/sexy_jessie


WTF is this shit anyway? They can't handle it, they are crying, they ask for a break and he rapes them? Those girls obviously signed papers because they needed cash and most certainly they even didn't know how the shit is gonna look like.

He is walking piece of shit.
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i just wanted to know the sponsor and found FBI iss dancing on the grave of the site:
http://www.maxhardcore.com/
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hey danger they needed the cash they signed the papers... your a fucking white knight that wants to save the whores are you serious? I'd wipe the street with your fucking face as a warmup on my way to warmup for a slow grappling match......


don't be a hater cause you can't get a girls number much less talk her into doing what you want like max does... one day my friend you will learn all women are whores
Misogyny, poor grammar, bad spelling, a conscious effort to not understand the issue, and e-thuggery all in ONE post.
re-enforcing stereotypes is fun, huh?


And by the way, "hater" is a term that assholes use when they can't come up with a rational argument for their assholery.
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Misogyny, poor grammar, bad spelling, a conscious effort to not understand the issue, and e-thuggery all in ONE post.
re-enforcing stereotypes is fun, huh?


And by the way, "hater" is a term that assholes use when they can't come up with a rational argument for their assholery.
I Think I called him a white knight...

what would you call it? how about just a good ole fashion Bitch... a little momma's boy.. little bitch loving man hater.....


I think hater worked better.. and my grammar is not the one in question here.. I made my point no matter how I spelled it... are you one of those internet police that runs around thinking your smarter than everyone else cause you spot grammatical errors first and think to yourself oh im smarter cause I point that out?


think of this tuff guy.. I know im spelling wrong I know I have run on sentences only difference is I just don't give a fuck... it's a quick post on a fucking message board.. it's not a letter for the president to read.... seriously get over your grammar no one gives a fuck.. ive never once in my life judged anyone by the way they spell or write paragraphs.. if you do... you my friend have fucking issues....
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re-enforcing stereotypes is fun, huh?


And by the way, "hater" is a term that assholes use when they can't come up with a rational argument for their assholery.
and to quote my friend chael..

who the fuck are you anyways? your not even qualified to make me a sandwich much less critique my spelling and grammar
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hey danger they needed the cash they signed the papers... your a fucking white knight that wants to save the whores are you serious? I'd wipe the street with your fucking face as a warmup on my way to warmup for a slow grappling match......


don't be a hater cause you can't get a girls number much less talk her into doing what you want like max does... one day my friend you will learn all women are whores


Caution. The subject of the thread was "Max Hardcore on XNXX <video> Discuss" so, I'm discussing. Everyone has a right to his own opinion and I just presented mine. That was more opinion than actual threatening to Max because I really doubt I will have a pleasure to meet this creature. But you don't know me and you seem to be very forward. Well, maybe we will have a pleasure one day, who knows, sometimes the World seems to be such a small place.
Whores you says? What does it mean to you? Animals? For me they are humans beings, but just poor, lost and in need of money, they don’t see the other ways but this is not the reason for some dumb motherfucker to take the advantage of their situation and their lack of intelligence and to do what this piece of garbage did to them.


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Nophest is running a fucking pirate site over there. Why are we putting links to stolen content on a pirate site up?
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that was a lot of typing.
1- i could care less about your grammar, i was merely remarking how those things always seem to go hand in hand.
2- i make a BAD-ASS sandwich.
3- i love men as much as you do (well maybe not THAT much), i just dont love them at the expense of women.

now you may resume swearing at me and proving my point.
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and to quote my friend chael..

who the fuck are you anyways? your not even qualified to make me a sandwich much less critique my spelling and grammar
I am very curious what will happen to your opinion about women when you will be a father of a girl.

I am not saying they are saints, but hey, at least give a little respect to the hand that feeds you. If they wouldn't fuck on camera you could only sell gay stuff
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The end of the first clip is insane. If I were on acid I would sell all my business right now for peanuts. I will never ever send a fucking click to this rape-looking crap.
always hated that clip. though i defend two consenting adults to do whatever to each other, no matter how offensive.
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1. No one should interfere between the acts of two consenting adults.

2. It is still pathetic and sad to develop a business model centered upon the hate of women (or men, or whomever).
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There was a British documentary about 10 years ago about a woman who went to LA to do porn, during which she went to Max Hardcore's place.

He appeared to be a rather unpleasant individual and I assume his unfortunate legacy is that he's the 'inspiration' for all the gagging/choking/gaping/puking 'porn' that I can't believe anyone but date rapists and/or sociopaths get off on.
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Caution. The subject of the thread was "Max Hardcore on XNXX <video> Discuss" so, I'm discussing. Everyone has a right to his own opinion and I just presented mine. That was more opinion than actual threatening to Max because I really doubt I will have a pleasure to meet this creature. But you don't know me and you seem to be very forward. Well, maybe we will have a pleasure one day, who knows, sometimes the World seems to be such a small place.
Whores you says? What does it mean to you? Animals? For me they are humans beings, but just poor, lost and in need of money, they don?t see the other ways but this is not the reason for some dumb motherfucker to take the advantage of their situation and their lack of intelligence and to do what this piece of garbage did to them.


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it's a job dood... some film bunnies some film filth.. if there is a market someone is making it... no matter what industry...


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that was a lot of typing.
1- i could care less about your grammar, i was merely remarking how those things always seem to go hand in hand.
2- i make a BAD-ASS sandwich.
3- i love men as much as you do (well maybe not THAT much), i just dont love them at the expense of women.

now you may resume swearing at me and proving my point.
Like I said my grammar is me speed typing I know how to spell and type I just don't correct myself when on a roll...

as for that sammy... maybe we get together one day have a sammy im always down

3- you realize that everyone somehow someway is using the expence of women to make a profit.. since the dawn of time... look at spike TV manswers show... hot chicks.. ads all over = hot chicks..

girls know they can always make money with their body.... cause us a men were dumb enough to pay for it...

now think of that.. who's the one using who there? seriously...

just do math

advertising = money
hosting = money
design = money
camera = money
toys= money
affiliates = money money
see where im going with this

now for girls

cost
little make up (guys would buy that anyways)
show up on time and get fucked and suck some dick = overhead $0.00
profit = all


see where im going with that..... it's a give and take world and it all comes back to the girls.. (unless your gay ) I mean think of it.... whats the goal to make money? have nice things get hot chicks right? = money
get married = money
so it all comes back full circle...

science has proved girls are evil....
from harvard confirmed by yale and princeton
exhibit A:



some fuck some don't it's nature of the beast....

to get all oh save the ho about it is just silly cause the next guy (ie me) is going to be like fuck it gag on this girl know what I mean and she's going to be like ok yeah i'd love to pay me pay me.. and it starts over again............



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I am very curious what will happen to your opinion about women when you will be a father of a girl.

I am not saying they are saints, but hey, at least give a little respect to the hand that feeds you. If they wouldn't fuck on camera you could only sell gay stuff
I have a girl now she's 4.. and so help the guys that try to talk to her ill keep it at that... they better have a swat team and an army
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I have a girl now she's 4.. and so help the guys that try to talk to her ill keep it at that... they better have a swat team and an army
Didn't you previously say, "...one day my friend you will learn all women are whores."
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Just saying... What 2 adults do is what 2 adults do... In my personal life Ive had many girls request this stuff to be done am I still at fault? how about the guys that like their nuts stepped on and the girls who profit off of it? look it's no secret anywhere who max is ... girls know what they are in for... they have the option to leave at any time no problem... I just don't see the issue here?


it's a job dood... some film bunnies some film filth.. if there is a market someone is making it... no matter what industry...

You say that women do want this shit to be done to them? Well, maybe some do want but not the ones who I saw on the above videos.
Well, I can clearly see the reasons why you are defending this motherfucker. You simply admire him you fucking sick bastard.
Who knows perhaps you even work or party with this scumbag or... you contracted some girls for his shootings and you have a need to justify yourself. Whatever, I'm not going to argue with you at some web board because it's pointless. That's my last say at here and you can say whatever you like, it will not change a thing.
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i make no sandwiches for misogynists.

p.s. im impressed that you took some time to compose yourself before posting.
props on not coming and challenging me to a boxing match.
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I must admit I was thinking about the whole court case etc when I posted this.

Not saying XNXX or anyone is going anywhere. But funny how he got in big trouble for it and the stuff is still appearing.

It was just that i found it there that i posted that link. Probably on hundreds of sites.....
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i make no sandwiches for misogynists.

p.s. im impressed that you took some time to compose yourself before posting.
props on not coming and challenging me to a boxing match.
you were pretty calm in your reply to me I feel you deserve the same respect back...

im not here to pick fist fights with anyone.. I have a title fight coming on May 27th I'll do my boxing there LOL....

I came off a little strong in my first reply to you and wanted to smooth out with the 2nd...


just cause some disagree don't mean they are going to fight we will just agree to disagree...

what kind of sammy we talking here? Im cutting weight and a sammy sure does sound good
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It's called advanced consent. The girls might or might not have been 'acting', but don't tell me they didn't know what they were being asked to do, or that they weren't happy when the cheque was in their hands the moment it was finished.

Yea, they were doing it for the money. As if 99% of women in the porn industry aren't.

The real misogynists are the white knights who think adult women are incapable of making rational choices.
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just cause i dont threaten to slide peoples faces in whatever nonsense does not mean your kind and mine are not enemies.

at the end of the day, you're a motherfucking baller who lives hardcore to the max and im a nobody, so just let this go, eh?
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this would be a whole lot more hardcore if he had a larger penis
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this would be a whole lot more hardcore if he had a larger penis
Well, the way he uses his cock on those whores makes it more hardcore than any other porn movie.
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It's called advanced consent. The girls might or might not have been 'acting', but don't tell me they didn't know what they were being asked to do, or that they weren't happy when the cheque was in their hands the moment it was finished.

Yea, they were doing it for the money. As if 99% of women in the porn industry aren't.

The real misogynists are the white knights who think adult women are incapable of making rational choices.
Simply because a person is an "adult" does not automatically mean that person is capable of making rational choices.

Max Hardcore and his ilk are legally protected by the first amendment...and rightly so. But don't get twisted in thinking that fact somehow raises his product above sick filth trash. Max Hardcore and the talent that work with him have the legal right to freely express themselves...just like the the Westboro "God Hates Fags" crazies, NAMBLA members, Rush Limbaugh, and the KKK.

Just because the ACLU and like-minded people like me will defend your right to speech to the death, doesn't mean we actually like you or even respect you. We don't. We respect the first amendment.

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There was a British documentary about 10 years ago about a woman who went to LA to do porn, during which she went to Max Hardcore's place.
Dont believe everything that is shown on TV and designed to shock. That documentary was very misleading. FACT
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there shall be NO sandwich from my hand to the plate of a misogynist, unless that hand is lopped off and used as a plate holder.

just cause i dont threaten to slide peoples faces in whatever nonsense does not mean your kind and mine are not enemies.

at the end of the day, you're a motherfucking baller who lives hardcore to the max and im a nobody, so just let this go, eh?
I wish I was a baller... trust me... if I was I would not gag fuck whores
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Dont believe everything that is shown on TV and designed to shock. That documentary was very misleading. FACT
How come? I know your ex featured in it, but what was misleading about it?

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How come? I know your ex featured in it, but what was misleading about it?
Basically it was shot out of order in regards to the timeline.

If you watch the video, it appears they follow this 'innocent' young girl, on her first trip to the USA, (Felicity was her stage name I think) in her hunt for stardom. She 'apparently' goes to straight Max Hardcore, expecting a 'normal' B/G scene, and is freaked out, leaves the business and never works again...

Wrong. On Many levels.

It wasn't her first trip at all, it was her second. During her first trip she discovered that she enjoyed the rougher side of the industry, and that she got turned on by 'abusive sex'...

She had actually appeared in one of the (Anabolic?) 'Rough Sex' videos where she was being punched in the mouth, during the scene. She loved it and couldn't wait to do more...

Upon returning on her 2nd trip, (When the doc was filmed) she knew EXACTLY who Max was, what his shoots were like and could not wait to work with him. Infact her shoot with Max was actually delayed by the Doc people, so they could be sure that they were ready for shooting her shoot.

Max had met with her before and knew that she was into it, and up for it. If she had not been up for it, or more to the point, had Max not been sure she knew what was going to happen, he certainly would not have let the doc crew come along and film it.

Now during that delay, we were asked by the doc people to sit down with Felicity, and explain to her what she was letting herself in for. However, the filmed conversation, that was quite forced and stilted, despite lasting over an hour and taking place outside a starbucks was never used in the final edit.

That was understandable, because it didn't really make sense. We are there saying things like 'Max with throat fuck you untill your eyes run and have you puke on his cock... Is that ok with you?' and she's replying 'Too fucking right ! BRING IT ON' and laughing etc...

Obviously that didn't fit in with the story they wanted to tell, (Of her being this innocent victim) so we did another 1 hour filmed conversation with her (In a Denny's this time) where they told us that this time, they wanted us to try and 'Warn Her off of shooting with him'...

Well, my EX had shot with him on two occasions before, and was planning to shoot again at some point, and we didn't really want to do that, so we made a token effort, but that obviously wasn't very convincing (Because we didn't believe it ourselves) and again, this piece of film was not used either...

Finally they asked to shoot us again, this time without Felicity, and this time I was plied with beers... A LOT of beers. 2 Cases of beer turned up in the hotel room, (From nowhere) and lets just say that I was 'More than encouraged' to drink as many as I could and talk as much as I could about Max... Again, we spoke about Max, for around 2 hours, and they only used ONE SENTENCE from that part in the final version...

Well, thats not quite correct. They used one PART of one sentence. Its the only bit where I appear in the doc, and she says (The 'Soundbite') "I worked with Max Hardcore and he cut my mouth"...

But they cut off the rest of the sentence, which was "I worked with Max Hardcore and he cut my mouth, but the moment it happened he stopped filming straight away, dropped his Max' persona, went back to being 'Paul' apologised, and made sure I was alright."

So to sum up, Felicity knew what type of shoot she was going to do. Max knew that she was cool with it (Or he would not have let the doc crew on set) They *wanted* to portray us 'warning her against' doing the shoot, but never used that footage...

So the final result of her turning up for the shoot, being traumatised, then leaving the business (As portrayed in the Doc) was a bullshit twisting of the facts to portray her as a victim of the big bad porn industry. Not as a willing, consenting adult, who went to the shoot with her eyes wide open, knowing full well what she was about to do, and actually LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING IT

Also, when it cae to the actual shoot, in the doc, you see him walking up to her, before they start to shoot, and beginning to fuck her, in order for him to 'get in the mood'

It appears that they have never met before, and he is forcing himself upon her, before the cameras are even set up... But the reality is that during the to and fro of getting the shoot date sorted, (The week or so while we were having these silly on camera conversations at starbucks and dennys etc) she had spoken to Max on many occasions and had been flirting with him on the phone and telling him she wanted it hard rough, filthy etc...

So the part where it appears he just walks up and fucks her was actually a consensual 'meeting' after a week of sexually charged conversation with Felicity...

There is a lot more too, (Regarding the public schoolboy Documentary makers - Not re Max) but I think that essay covers why I know it was a misleading end product, designed to fit the 'Shock Horror - PORN IS BAD!' agenda of the documentary crew
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Basically it was shot out of order in regards to the timeline.

If you watch the video, it appears they follow this 'innocent' young girl, on her first trip to the USA, (Felicity was her stage name I think) in her hunt for stardom. She 'apparently' goes to straight Max Hardcore, expecting a 'normal' B/G scene, and is freaked out, leaves the business and never works again...

Wrong. On Many levels.

It wasn't her first trip at all, it was her second. During her first trip she discovered that she enjoyed the rougher side of the industry, and that she got turned on by 'abusive sex'...

She had actually appeared in one of the (Anabolic?) 'Rough Sex' videos where she was being punched in the mouth, during the scene. She loved it and couldn't wait to do more...

Upon returning on her 2nd trip, (When the doc was filmed) she knew EXACTLY who Max was, what his shoots were like and could not wait to work with him. Infact her shoot with Max was actually delayed by the Doc people, so they could be sure that they were ready for shooting her shoot.

Max had met with her before and knew that she was into it, and up for it. If she had not been up for it, or more to the point, had Max not been sure she knew what was going to happen, he certainly would not have let the doc crew come along and film it.

Now during that delay, we were asked by the doc people to sit down with Felicity, and explain to her what she was letting herself in for. However, the filmed conversation, that was quite forced and stilted, despite lasting over an hour and taking place outside a starbucks was never used in the final edit.

That was understandable, because it didn't really make sense. We are there saying things like 'Max with throat fuck you untill your eyes run and have you puke on his cock... Is that ok with you?' and she's replying 'Too fucking right ! BRING IT ON' and laughing etc...

Obviously that didn't fit in with the story they wanted to tell, (Of her being this innocent victim) so we did another 1 hour filmed conversation with her (In a Denny's this time) where they told us that this time, they wanted us to try and 'Warn Her off of shooting with him'...

Well, my EX had shot with him on two occasions before, and was planning to shoot again at some point, and we didn't really want to do that, so we made a token effort, but that obviously wasn't very convincing (Because we didn't believe it ourselves) and again, this piece of film was not used either...

Finally they asked to shoot us again, this time without Felicity, and this time I was plied with beers... A LOT of beers. 2 Cases of beer turned up in the hotel room, (From nowhere) and lets just say that I was 'More than encouraged' to drink as many as I could and talk as much as I could about Max... Again, we spoke about Max, for around 2 hours, and they only used ONE SENTENCE from that part in the final version...

Well, thats not quite correct. They used one PART of one sentence. Its the only bit where I appear in the doc, and she says (The 'Soundbite') "I worked with Max Hardcore and he cut my mouth"...

But they cut off the rest of the sentence, which was "I worked with Max Hardcore and he cut my mouth, but the moment it happened he stopped filming straight away, dropped his Max' persona, went back to being 'Paul' apologised, and made sure I was alright."

So to sum up, Felicity knew what type of shoot she was going to do. Max knew that she was cool with it (Or he would not have let the doc crew on set) They *wanted* to portray us 'warning her against' doing the shoot, but never used that footage...

So the final result of her turning up for the shoot, being traumatised, then leaving the business (As portrayed in the Doc) was a bullshit twisting of the facts to portray her as a victim of the big bad porn industry. Not as a willing, consenting adult, who went to the shoot with her eyes wide open, knowing full well what she was about to do, and actually LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING IT

Also, when it cae to the actual shoot, in the doc, you see him walking up to her, before they start to shoot, and beginning to fuck her, in order for him to 'get in the mood'

It appears that they have never met before, and he is forcing himself upon her, before the cameras are even set up... But the reality is that during the to and fro of getting the shoot date sorted, (The week or so while we were having these silly on camera conversations at starbucks and dennys etc) she had spoken to Max on many occasions and had been flirting with him on the phone and telling him she wanted it hard rough, filthy etc...

So the part where it appears he just walks up and fucks her was actually a consensual 'meeting' after a week of sexually charged conversation with Felicity...

There is a lot more too, (Regarding the public schoolboy Documentary makers - Not re Max) but I think that essay covers why I know it was a misleading end product, designed to fit the 'Shock Horror - PORN IS BAD!' agenda of the documentary crew
Wow. Thanks for taking the time to spell it all out. I didn't realise you were involved with all that.
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Wow. Thanks for taking the time to spell it all out. I didn't realise you were involved with all that.
No problem. Just the typical UK film makers agenda, when it comes to porn...

The main reason I was so involved, is that originally the doc was supposed to be about Lay, but they messed about so much, she had already worked with Max twice, and done like over 200 scenes, so they couldn't portray her as a victim. They were still in touch with us, and decided to involve us in the project anyway.

There was other stuff that isn't as relevant that we shot as well, but that never got used either
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