IBILL sales vs Epoch sales - GoFuckYourself.com

m0rph3us · 01-16-2003, 11:21 PM

Ok, here's an interesting quirk that I noticed.

Currently running billers in cascading mode.... We had IBILL first for the longest time and sales were doing fantastic. Due to a couple network slowdowns and other things relating to IBILL, we put EPOCH first.

Well... one thing I noticed is that sales actually went down 25% when using Epoch as primary.

Anybody else notice this?

I've heard from several on the board that when they switched to epoch their sales actually went up.

I'm not sure why our sales would drop... branding (ibill is very well know to repeat porn buyers), look of joinpage, scrubbing, method of auth... donno!

wwwcashmountain · 01-16-2003, 11:30 PM

We have had good steady sales with Ibill too - the only time we messed with that was when they stuffed up our sub accounts for a day and we switched over to ACPay as our primary. We saw our sales increase a little but since we have them as our secondary (to pickup failed ibill joins) we switched back.

Robert

m0rph3us · 01-16-2003, 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by wwwcashmountain
We have had good steady sales with Ibill too - the only time we messed with that was when they stuffed up our sub accounts for a day and we switched over to ACPay as our primary. We saw our sales increase a little but since we have them as our secondary (to pickup failed ibill joins) we switched back.

Robert

heh, you'd think that if you run cascading billing, you would get the same exact sales when either of the billers is up but I guess not

Interlude · 01-16-2003, 11:54 PM

Yeah, only problem is that iBill may or may not actually pay you the money you've earned.

ZoiNk · 01-16-2003, 11:59 PM

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Originally posted by Interlude
Yeah, only problem is that iBill may or may not actually pay you the money you've earned.

Hehe, exactly.

ZoiNk

Rand · 01-17-2003, 12:05 AM

I would say this... Look at quantity vs quality. It's not always about how much you can get through initially. How much do you keep? What do your creidt and CB ratios look like?

If you paying for traffic, you could be losing twice if your creidts are too high.

And let's not forget, now there's the epassporte equation. Denials never looked so good. It will be a while before the epassporte product proves itself. But, after issuing cards in 79 countires in it's first week, there are definitly reasons to look at a processor who is fully integrated with this solution.

m0rph3us · 01-17-2003, 12:10 AM

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Originally posted by Rand
I would say this... Look at quantity vs quality. It's not always about how much you can get through initially. How much do you keep? What do your creidt and CB ratios look like?

If you paying for traffic, you could be losing twice if your creidts are too high.

And let's not forget, now there's the epassporte equation. Denials never looked so good. It will be a while before the epassporte product proves itself. But, after issuing cards in 79 countires in it's first week, there are definitly reasons to look at a processor who is fully integrated with this solution.

refund and CBs are very low on both processors. IBILL certainly doesn't have 25% more CB/refunds than our EPOCH transactions.
I'm NOT trying to put down EPOCH here, very happy with it but I'm curious why this would be. I guess it matters a lot on the traffic. Maybe International traffic has something to do with this.

wwwcashmountain · 01-17-2003, 12:18 AM

Rand

Can you drop me a line by ICQ or email - I am keen to talk to you about your processing

robert at cash-mountain.com

Thanks mate,

Robert

Rand · 01-17-2003, 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by m0rph3us

refund and CBs are very low on both processors. IBILL certainly doesn't have 25% more CB/refunds than our EPOCH transactions.
I'm NOT trying to put down EPOCH here, very happy with it but I'm curious why this would be. I guess it matters a lot on the traffic. Maybe International traffic has something to do with this.

If you have any ideas about why you are seeing any difference other than a postive one, I'd really like to hear your thoughts. As you said, most WM's claim a dramatic increase when switching to Epoch. Drop me an email today and let me take a look at your sites.

wouncie · 01-17-2003, 08:45 AM

You mean people still actually use Ibill?
Believe me, if your sales were up such and such % it still doesn't matter because before you see the money they will deduct it in the form of chargebacks, refunds, or just swallow 30% of all your rebills for no reason at all. This is HISTORY my friend! I'm not telling you what I heard, I'm telling you what I KNOW!!!

Go with Jettis.

They're tighter than a frogs ass,
.... And you know that's waterproof!

TheDoc · 01-17-2003, 08:49 AM

Use Flex Post

Drop the standard epoch signup form and add in Flex Post it will change that. You can also customize the signup form on your side to filter out the ban countries and either go directly to epassport or to another processor that will process that country.

With epoch you will see over a 25% increase in sales if you do your home work, request the API's for flex post, upgrade plus, cross sales, email plus, ect.. It's well worth the work.

Your refund and CB ratio with epoch will be lower than with Ibill. Epoch doesnt loose track of members eithers like Ibill does.

FlyingIguana · 01-17-2003, 08:52 AM

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Originally posted by wouncie

They're tighter than a frogs ass,
.... And you know that's waterproof!

i'll have to take your word on that one

wouncie · 01-17-2003, 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana

i'll have to take your word on that one

Come on now.... If you raised a male Iguana in a tank with a female frog. Somebody getting some Pussy!

JimW · 01-17-2003, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by m0rph3us

I've heard from several on the board that when they switched to epoch their sales actually went up.

This was the case for us...

Rand · 01-17-2003, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheDoc
Use Flex Post Drop the standard epoch signup form and add in Flex Post it will change that. You can also customize the signup form on your side to filter out the ban countries and either go directly to epassport or to another processor that will process that country.

With epoch you will see over a 25% increase in sales if you do your home work, request the API's for flex post, upgrade plus, cross sales, email plus, ect.. It's well worth the work.

Your refund and CB ratio with epoch will be lower than with Ibill. Epoch doesnt loose track of members eithers like Ibill does.

It's always good to hear words like that come straight from a webmaster.

Doc, you rock.

Shadow1 · 01-17-2003, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheDoc
Use Flex Post Drop the standard epoch signup form and add in Flex Post it will change that. You can also customize the signup form on your side to filter out the ban countries and either go directly to epassport or to another processor that will process that country.

With epoch you will see over a 25% increase in sales if you do your home work, request the API's for flex post, upgrade plus, cross sales, email plus, ect.. It's well worth the work.

Your refund and CB ratio with epoch will be lower than with Ibill. Epoch doesnt loose track of members eithers like Ibill does.

this man is a Wise one..i would listen..

RSCPaul · 01-17-2003, 10:13 AM

Rand,

Does Epoch accept Canadian sponsors yet and if not are there any plans to do so anytime in the near future?

Thanks

TheDoc · 01-17-2003, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by RSCPaul
Rand,

Does Epoch accept Canadian sponsors yet and if not are there any plans to do so anytime in the near future?

Thanks

Open a US corp that is owned by the CA corp then you can process with Epoch and be within the VISA rules.

RSCPaul · 01-17-2003, 10:27 AM

TheDoc

Thanks, BTW do you need a US presence(office and somebody in there) in order to have a US corp and be within the Visa rules?

TheDoc · 01-17-2003, 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by RSCPaul
TheDoc

Thanks, BTW do you need a US presence(office and somebody in there) in order to have a US corp and be within the Visa rules?

No, from what I understand.

For the phone number just put your normal phone number in Canada, for the address you should be setting up your company through a resident agent, your agent can setup a forwarding snail mail for a small monthly fee.

It really all depends on what you want, the resident agent could be your virtual office as well, phone, address, bills, ect. Ofcourse they will bill you for the services though.

RSCPaul · 01-17-2003, 10:47 AM

sounds like something to think about for sure, and it seems less of a headache than originally thought when reading the old messages from people that wanted to do this before the Visa deadline.

Thanks

01-16-2003, 11:21 PM	#1
m0rph3us Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Principality of Sealand Posts: 2,033	IBILL sales vs Epoch sales Ok, here's an interesting quirk that I noticed. Currently running billers in cascading mode.... We had IBILL first for the longest time and sales were doing fantastic. Due to a couple network slowdowns and other things relating to IBILL, we put EPOCH first. Well... one thing I noticed is that sales actually went down 25% when using Epoch as primary. Anybody else notice this? I've heard from several on the board that when they switched to epoch their sales actually went up. I'm not sure why our sales would drop... branding (ibill is very well know to repeat porn buyers), look of joinpage, scrubbing, method of auth... donno! __________________ <font size="2" face="Tahoma"><a href="http://www.18blowjobs.com/webmasters/?640" target="_blank">Get paid $25 per signup</a> listing over <a href="http://galleries.18blowjobs.com/hosted.html" target="_blank">100 free hosted video galleries</a> - <a href="http://www.18blowjobs.com/webmasters/?640" target="_blank">Check it</a> » </font>

01-16-2003, 11:30 PM	#2
wwwcashmountain Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 194	We have had good steady sales with Ibill too - the only time we messed with that was when they stuffed up our sub accounts for a day and we switched over to ACPay as our primary. We saw our sales increase a little but since we have them as our secondary (to pickup failed ibill joins) we switched back. Robert __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

01-17-2003, 12:05 AM	#6
Rand Industry Vet Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Santa Monica, CA Posts: 2,663	I would say this... Look at quantity vs quality. It's not always about how much you can get through initially. How much do you keep? What do your creidt and CB ratios look like? If you paying for traffic, you could be losing twice if your creidts are too high. And let's not forget, now there's the epassporte equation. Denials never looked so good. It will be a while before the epassporte product proves itself. But, after issuing cards in 79 countires in it's first week, there are definitly reasons to look at a processor who is fully integrated with this solution. __________________ -- Rand Payment Industry - Communications - Quality Assurance

01-17-2003, 12:18 AM	#8
wwwcashmountain Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 194	Rand Can you drop me a line by ICQ or email - I am keen to talk to you about your processing robert at cash-mountain.com Thanks mate, Robert __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

01-17-2003, 08:45 AM	#10
wouncie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ASSwatcher.com Posts: 1,005	You mean people still actually use Ibill? Believe me, if your sales were up such and such % it still doesn't matter because before you see the money they will deduct it in the form of chargebacks, refunds, or just swallow 30% of all your rebills for no reason at all. This is HISTORY my friend! I'm not telling you what I heard, I'm telling you what I KNOW!!! Go with Jettis. They're tighter than a frogs ass, .... And you know that's waterproof! __________________

01-16-2003, 11:54 PM	#4
Interlude Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: State of Denial Posts: 1,147	Yeah, only problem is that iBill may or may not actually pay you the money you've earned.

01-17-2003, 08:49 AM	#11
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Use Flex Post Drop the standard epoch signup form and add in Flex Post it will change that. You can also customize the signup form on your side to filter out the ban countries and either go directly to epassport or to another processor that will process that country. With epoch you will see over a 25% increase in sales if you do your home work, request the API's for flex post, upgrade plus, cross sales, email plus, ect.. It's well worth the work. Your refund and CB ratio with epoch will be lower than with Ibill. Epoch doesnt loose track of members eithers like Ibill does. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation Last edited by TheDoc; 01-17-2003 at 08:50 AM..

01-17-2003, 10:13 AM	#17
RSCPaul Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 92	Rand, Does Epoch accept Canadian sponsors yet and if not are there any plans to do so anytime in the near future? Thanks

01-17-2003, 10:27 AM	#19
RSCPaul Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 92	TheDoc Thanks, BTW do you need a US presence(office and somebody in there) in order to have a US corp and be within the Visa rules?

01-17-2003, 10:47 AM	#21
RSCPaul Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 92	sounds like something to think about for sure, and it seems less of a headache than originally thought when reading the old messages from people that wanted to do this before the Visa deadline. Thanks