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Originally Posted by Robbie
Nope. I was making around 20 grand a month on cam sites. Same for dating.
But I was making a LOT more selling PORN via paysite memberships.
I sold PORN for a living. The extra money from cams and dating was what me and my partners bought new cars and other toys with. It was gravy. The tube sites are making gravy and THINKING it's the main course because they weren't in our league. Between AL4A and Ampland we were selling more porn than most anybody else out there.
And yes, Porn has always been worldwide Paul. But we were far, far outselling DVD's and magazines...the internet IS worldwide and our customers didn't have to drive to an adult bookstore (if there was even one where they lived) and bought in the privacy of their own homes.
All of it seems crazy to even think about these days. Paysites are on life support. And it's not because of anything other than FULL SCENES by the thousands being readily available for tens of millions of current potential customers and even more future customers (the teenage boys that we used to teach to buy a membership to see it "all").
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Affiliates were over paid and over indulged. Selling porn use to be easy, men did get in their cars and go to a shop or drive past one on the way home. Yes the Internet removed the need to go to a shop, still if that stopped someone buying porn they were never a great customer.
Porn is addictive, so if it needs going to a shop men did go. Delivering it to their home would make little difference, delivering it to their home for free did.
However Robbie you nor I have real figures to go on. We could look at individual company reports to see how the Internet effected them. As no one online got that big, maybe 1 or 2 did, we can only get 1 side. I saw both sides. The decline in the offline business and the increase in the online business. In no way did I see online overtaking offline's best times.
However.
All of it seems crazy to even think about these days. The good days are gone, for everyone in porn except a few. And they will suffer from the same thing the rest are suffering from because no one is doing anything to stop the trend. I wrote years ago that throwing more water into a bucket with a hole in it, won't fill the bucket. Few thought of fixing the bucket, just throwing more water in and the hole got bigger.
I will start a thread in answer to my epic one of "It's hard to shoot porn today." Give people more to think about.
Marketing isn't away free samples day after day like online did. Marketing is doing it for one day, enticing people to try, to look at the product, to buy and to keep buying. Knowing how to give more samples away than anyone else, make the free distribution point look good and satisfying the need to get in the car or
to even buy the product, is definitely not marketing.
It's slinging mud at the wall and hoping some will stick. And not very hard. Yes some can throw straighter and harder. Still doesn't make it what it's not.
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I'm not really sure that Damian has ever really been in this business. He seems to exist to attack you and that Gary guy. Other than that? I have no idea what he thinks he does in this business.
But you're right...fringe players like him are in a lot of trouble.
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Yes, there will be many people looking at their weekly stats this week and scratching their heads about how long it will last. Damian's in a slightly better position than many, he doesn't have a huge mortgage r a flashy life style. Some here will be in debt purely on the mortgage and 10 years in porn isn't going to look good on a CV. And if you think a potential employer will just take "I was in online media marketing" or some other bland statement is self delusion. The next question will be "Can I see some of your work please."
Damian think a man's wife waking him up to have sex with him and a girl is in someway wrong. Didn't happen, Eva never came looking for me when with a girl. but it's still nothing for porn people to think of as shocking. Problem is porn people in online porn are thin on the ground, they're traffic herders.