Re: WARNING TO ALL - GoFuckYourself.com

bodymovin · 03-30-2005, 09:16 AM

I recently posted a complaint regarding a certain "developer" named Timothy Chirillo (his screen name on here is netnut) from Florida who advertised on gfy that he could guarantee amazing things, including a paysite with 25K uniques daily after 2 months, development, marketing, etc. for $3500/month. As I mentioned last post, this was back in December. I paid the guy $3600 and, although he was supposed to have the site 2 weeks after our contract was signed, he still has not done so. Additionally, his address and telephone number that he gave me have changed and he ignores my emails and requests for updates on ICQ. The site was supposed to be this: www.wildteencoeds.com

bodymovin · 03-30-2005, 09:49 AM

Update: I did hear back from the developer a few minutes ago that he is still working on the site.

SinSational · 03-30-2005, 10:27 AM

you're patient.....i would have traveled to florida by now. then again, i would not buy in to anything that was going to cost me $3500/month

JimmiDean · 03-30-2005, 06:50 PM

You are going to pay 3500 a month for what ?
I dont get it

Tukes48 · 03-30-2005, 07:07 PM

my thoughts exaclty jimmidean

micke · 03-30-2005, 07:26 PM

I dont know if i understood everything right!
Is that "splash(???)" all you have got from him so far? If so, i can tell you that those kind of crap can be done in less than 10 minutes!!
If i paid someone $3500 for something and all i got was that i would have smashed his legs with a hammer!

Marcus Aurelius · 03-31-2005, 11:06 AM

so how much did that splash page cost you?

bodymovin · 03-31-2005, 11:49 AM

I have paid $3600 and that splash page is all that I have seen. It's now been 3 1/2 months. I'm still hoping that the developer will come through and deliver.

Fuckin Bill · 03-31-2005, 11:56 AM

There is no hope. The deal is done and you've been ripped off. If you get anything more, consider yourself lucky. If you pay him anything else, you will be considered a fool.

I hope you do get some more out of it. But if you're considering continuing the relationship at all, you're insane. You'll do best to just get in the mindset that it's finished and you'll never get what you paid for. You should, of course, hound this guy until he dies and take every chance you can get to tell others he is a scammer and a cheat...But you definitely need to just move on to something else. Don't wait and hope it will work out...there's a 99.9% chance that it won't.

SetTheWorldonFire · 03-31-2005, 12:20 PM

I'd ask for daily progress reports

$3500 a month can get you a fulltime employee to work alot faster.

DateDoc · 04-01-2005, 01:18 AM

For $3500/mo you could have paid for 4 number 1 spots on the hun and have $900 left over for hosting and other monthy expenses.

theFeTiShLaDy · 04-01-2005, 03:26 AM

one thing you always have to remember in this biz...never TRUST anyone that you've never met.

and that $3500 is quite expensive for a splash page.

Rich · 04-01-2005, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SetTheWorldonFire

I'd ask for daily progress reports

$3500 a month can get you a fulltime employee to work alot faster.

Or three from the Philippines.

Playa-Deak · 04-01-2005, 03:47 PM

Yeah man, if that splash page is all you got. You've definately been ripped. That splash is VERY amateur. He used a tutorial to make that BG in photoshop and the buttons and all is amateur IMO... But like forestated, seems this is a raw deal and it shouldn't take this for him to respond to you... I'm a graphic artist and Video Editor.. You could'be paid me $35 for that splash...

Playa-Deak · 04-01-2005, 03:48 PM

O goodness, I looked at that splash page again... VERY amateur work...

Playa-Deak · 04-01-2005, 05:28 PM

O Jesus.. Why am I keep clicking that homepage/splash?... That damn splash is UGLY and off cue as hell. LOTS of inconsistencies as far as graphics... Can't believe you paid $3500 without verfying this guy... SMH

mic0723 · 04-01-2005, 11:40 PM

how much would you take for the domain name? I will take it off your hands if the price is right.

micke · 04-02-2005, 02:20 AM

I just felt that i had to write another reply!
It´s not to be rude, i just want to understand!!
What that "ripoff"-guy has told you is that you could make +$3500/month with his help, right?? My "guess" is that he would have kept this "little secret" for himself if he was that sure!
For a very good design + development, marketing and loads of traffic $3600 would have been ok., but for something like that!?!?

It has been said before in this thread, but i can not understand how you could pay someone that much without any kind of guarantees!

Playa-Deak>>> "You could'be paid me $35 for that splash"...
Shame on you!!

How can you charge that much for that kind of crap??

Barefootsies · 04-02-2005, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theFeTiShLaDy

one thing you always have to remember in this biz...never TRUST anyone that you've never met.

and that $3500 is quite expensive for a splash page.

Yep.

How much are plane tickets, and icepicks?

nudecanada · 04-02-2005, 11:26 PM

Odd. A guy named Jim Chirillo ripped me off for over $12k several years ago. He was in Florida too.

O MARINA · 04-04-2005, 08:14 PM

thanks for the heads up about him.

lucwylder · 04-10-2005, 07:48 AM

They say this is ther fucking business don't they? Be responsive, you're being taken advantage of. Move on.

NTSS · 04-10-2005, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fuckin Bill

There is no hope. The deal is done and you've been ripped off. If you get anything more, consider yourself lucky. If you pay him anything else, you will be considered a fool.

I hope you do get some more out of it. But if you're considering continuing the relationship at all, you're insane. You'll do best to just get in the mindset that it's finished and you'll never get what you paid for. You should, of course, hound this guy until he dies and take every chance you can get to tell others he is a scammer and a cheat...But you definitely need to just move on to something else. Don't wait and hope it will work out...there's a 99.9% chance that it won't.

Well said...

PhounTho · 04-10-2005, 10:57 PM

I actually had a conversation with this guy on the phone. His sales pitch is basically this:

He will drive 20,000 uniques per day to your main site (in this example your main site is a paysite) and he can roughly guarantee that the traffic he pushes to your site will convert 1:1000, thus giving you 20 signups per day, based on the work that he does.

He does this work mainly by building and submitting free sites for you. He will submit X (I think he said 5) free sites per day. He also build TGPs, submits gallery pages, and will administer affiliate programs.

It will take him 3 months to do this. If at the end of 3 months, you are not getting 20K unique/day, you get half your money back.

Incidentally, I was quoted 3 months x $3k/mo = $9k total.

[you can see there's a lot of things "going on" in his regimine, which if someone KICKED ASS at implementing all these strategies, then $3500 per month seems reasonable--that's a big muth fuckin IF though]

Your best bet in this business is to not give the too many jobs to any one person. Unless you've had great results with the same person over a period of time. If you're going to out source, it's best to spoonfeed a couple of small tasks and see how those work out, then bump it up. You've got to compartmentalize your outsourcing expenses--like a ship has water tight compartments, if one compartment gets flooded you don't sink your ship, errr bank account.

I'm curious, did you check his references???

I'm not a lawyer, but did you have a lawyer look at the contract you signed? Even if you didn't I'd look into some kind of legal action. Accounting-wise it will be costly to sue and make any money back, unless you just go to small claims. But if you have a friend who's a lawyer, you could buy him dinner in exchange for a very threatening (and totally legal) letter. That might light a flame under his ass.

AdPatron · 04-11-2005, 03:10 AM

Where did you find this guy?

PhounTho · 04-11-2005, 06:37 AM

Here on GFY. He posted that he was an adult consultant.

03-30-2005, 09:16 AM	#1
bodymovin Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 24	Re: WARNING TO ALL I recently posted a complaint regarding a certain "developer" named Timothy Chirillo (his screen name on here is netnut) from Florida who advertised on gfy that he could guarantee amazing things, including a paysite with 25K uniques daily after 2 months, development, marketing, etc. for $3500/month. As I mentioned last post, this was back in December. I paid the guy $3600 and, although he was supposed to have the site 2 weeks after our contract was signed, he still has not done so. Additionally, his address and telephone number that he gave me have changed and he ignores my emails and requests for updates on ICQ. The site was supposed to be this: www.wildteencoeds.com __________________ Money grows on trees...

03-30-2005, 09:49 AM	#2
bodymovin Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 24	Update: I did hear back from the developer a few minutes ago that he is still working on the site. __________________ Money grows on trees...

03-30-2005, 10:27 AM	#3
SinSational Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,723	you're patient.....i would have traveled to florida by now. then again, i would not buy in to anything that was going to cost me $3500/month __________________ ICQ# 273099174 - monthly specials - 2 Month Free Credit on All Plans - 100% Referrals - chris@ for details Virtual from $14.95/month, Dedicated from $149.95/month Dual-Core Xeon > 1000GB @ $149.95 \| 1500GB @ $169.95 \| 10Mbps @ $269.95

03-30-2005, 06:50 PM	#4
JimmiDean Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Margarittaville Posts: 3,433	You are going to pay 3500 a month for what ? I dont get it __________________ My God there's Porn on here! Still on the Beach !!!

03-30-2005, 07:26 PM	#6
micke Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 497	I dont know if i understood everything right! Is that "splash(???)" all you have got from him so far? If so, i can tell you that those kind of crap can be done in less than 10 minutes!! If i paid someone $3500 for something and all i got was that i would have smashed his legs with a hammer! Last edited by micke; 03-30-2005 at 07:28 PM..

03-30-2005, 07:07 PM	#5
Tukes48 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 18	my thoughts exaclty jimmidean

03-31-2005, 11:06 AM	#7
Marcus Aurelius No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14,809	so how much did that splash page cost you?

03-31-2005, 11:49 AM	#8
bodymovin Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 24	I have paid $3600 and that splash page is all that I have seen. It's now been 3 1/2 months. I'm still hoping that the developer will come through and deliver. __________________ Money grows on trees...

03-31-2005, 11:56 AM	#9
Fuckin Bill Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,020	There is no hope. The deal is done and you've been ripped off. If you get anything more, consider yourself lucky. If you pay him anything else, you will be considered a fool. I hope you do get some more out of it. But if you're considering continuing the relationship at all, you're insane. You'll do best to just get in the mindset that it's finished and you'll never get what you paid for. You should, of course, hound this guy until he dies and take every chance you can get to tell others he is a scammer and a cheat...But you definitely need to just move on to something else. Don't wait and hope it will work out...there's a 99.9% chance that it won't.

03-31-2005, 12:20 PM	#10
SetTheWorldonFire Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: California Posts: 7,444	I'd ask for daily progress reports $3500 a month can get you a fulltime employee to work alot faster. __________________ www.STWOFDesign.com hit me up on icq 154206276 or Skype: JaimeGizzle

04-01-2005, 01:18 AM	#11
DateDoc Outside looking in. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: To Hell You Ride Posts: 14,243	For $3500/mo you could have paid for 4 number 1 spots on the hun and have $900 left over for hosting and other monthy expenses. __________________

04-01-2005, 03:26 AM	#12
theFeTiShLaDy Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,615	one thing you always have to remember in this biz...never TRUST anyone that you've never met. and that $3500 is quite expensive for a splash page. __________________ I'm a freelance babe!

04-01-2005, 03:47 PM	#14
Playa-Deak Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chi-Town Posts: 1,065	Yeah man, if that splash page is all you got. You've definately been ripped. That splash is VERY amateur. He used a tutorial to make that BG in photoshop and the buttons and all is amateur IMO... But like forestated, seems this is a raw deal and it shouldn't take this for him to respond to you... I'm a graphic artist and Video Editor.. You could'be paid me $35 for that splash...

04-01-2005, 03:48 PM	#15
Playa-Deak Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chi-Town Posts: 1,065	O goodness, I looked at that splash page again... VERY amateur work...

04-01-2005, 05:28 PM	#16
Playa-Deak Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chi-Town Posts: 1,065	O Jesus.. Why am I keep clicking that homepage/splash?... That damn splash is UGLY and off cue as hell. LOTS of inconsistencies as far as graphics... Can't believe you paid $3500 without verfying this guy... SMH

04-01-2005, 11:40 PM	#17
mic0723 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 60	Want to sell the site? how much would you take for the domain name? I will take it off your hands if the price is right. __________________ Free Daily Porn Galleries

04-02-2005, 02:20 AM	#18
micke Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 497	I just felt that i had to write another reply! It´s not to be rude, i just want to understand!! What that "ripoff"-guy has told you is that you could make +$3500/month with his help, right?? My "guess" is that he would have kept this "little secret" for himself if he was that sure! For a very good design + development, marketing and loads of traffic $3600 would have been ok., but for something like that!?!? It has been said before in this thread, but i can not understand how you could pay someone that much without any kind of guarantees! Playa-Deak>>> "You could'be paid me $35 for that splash"... Shame on you!! How can you charge that much for that kind of crap??

04-02-2005, 11:26 PM	#20
nudecanada Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 793	Odd. A guy named Jim Chirillo ripped me off for over $12k several years ago. He was in Florida too.

04-04-2005, 08:14 PM	#21
O MARINA I'm clockin' ya, Versace shade watchin' ya Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: internet Posts: 13,795	thanks for the heads up about him.

04-10-2005, 07:48 AM	#22
lucwylder Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 82	Getting fucked They say this is ther fucking business don't they? Be responsive, you're being taken advantage of. Move on. __________________ http://www.fallenangelvideo.com

04-10-2005, 10:57 PM	#24
PhounTho Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 157	I actually had a conversation with this guy on the phone. His sales pitch is basically this: He will drive 20,000 uniques per day to your main site (in this example your main site is a paysite) and he can roughly guarantee that the traffic he pushes to your site will convert 1:1000, thus giving you 20 signups per day, based on the work that he does. He does this work mainly by building and submitting free sites for you. He will submit X (I think he said 5) free sites per day. He also build TGPs, submits gallery pages, and will administer affiliate programs. It will take him 3 months to do this. If at the end of 3 months, you are not getting 20K unique/day, you get half your money back. Incidentally, I was quoted 3 months x $3k/mo = $9k total. [you can see there's a lot of things "going on" in his regimine, which if someone KICKED ASS at implementing all these strategies, then $3500 per month seems reasonable--that's a big muth fuckin IF though] Your best bet in this business is to not give the too many jobs to any one person. Unless you've had great results with the same person over a period of time. If you're going to out source, it's best to spoonfeed a couple of small tasks and see how those work out, then bump it up. You've got to compartmentalize your outsourcing expenses--like a ship has water tight compartments, if one compartment gets flooded you don't sink your ship, errr bank account. I'm curious, did you check his references??? I'm not a lawyer, but did you have a lawyer look at the contract you signed? Even if you didn't I'd look into some kind of legal action. Accounting-wise it will be costly to sue and make any money back, unless you just go to small claims. But if you have a friend who's a lawyer, you could buy him dinner in exchange for a very threatening (and totally legal) letter. That might light a flame under his ass.

04-11-2005, 03:10 AM	#25
AdPatron No commissions, no fees. Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 17,706	Where did you find this guy?

04-11-2005, 06:37 AM	#26
PhounTho Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 157	Here on GFY. He posted that he was an adult consultant.