crockett

There was absolutely no collusion or any meeting with Russians from Trump's campaign team except for...


Michael Cohen
Trump’s personal lawyer and fixer started working on a proposed Trump Tower in Moscow in September 2015 with Felix Sater, a Russian-born real estate developer who’s a felon and previously had helped collect intelligence for the U.S. government. Cohen said the Trump Organization signed a nonbinding letter of intent in October 2015 with Moscow-based I.C. Expert Investment Company.

The project ultimately fizzled. Cohen said he stopped working on it in January 2016, around the time he reached out to a Kremlin spokesman asking for help with the project. Yahoo News reported that in May Sater and Cohen were still talking about the tower, including a possible trip to Russia to have a meeting with government officials. Just before and after Trump’s inauguration, Cohen met with Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg and Andrew Intrater, who invests money for Vekselberg. Shortly after, Intrater’s private equity firm, Columbus Nova, awarded Cohen a $1 million consulting contract.

Russian Oligarch Tied to Trump Lawyer in Stormy Bombshell

Michael Flynn currently indicted
The retired Army lieutenant general attended a December 2015 dinner in Russia where he sat at a table with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Several months later, Flynn started working as an informal adviser to the Trump campaign and in August attended Trump’s first intelligence briefing with the FBI. After the election he was named Trump’s national security adviser. During the presidential transition he had multiple contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in which they discussed U.S. sanctions. Flynn resigned as national security adviser after it become known he had lied about the nature of his conversations with Kislyak. He was later indicted by Mueller for making false statements to investigators and agreed to become a cooperating witness.

Flynn’s Side Deals, Link to Trump Aides Offer Clues for Mueller

George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty
Shortly after being named a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign in March 2016, Papadopoulos met with a London professor he believed had connections to the Russian government. That month, Papadopoulos suggested he could help arrange a meeting between Trump and Putin, an offer that was rejected by Sessions, who led the Trump campaign’s foreign policy team. In April, the professor told Papadopoulos that Russian officials had “dirt” on Clinton in the form of thousands of emails. Papadopoulos also was in contact with a Russian who said he represented the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Papadopoulos was arrested in July 2017 and in October pleaded guilty to misleading investigators.

Trump Says He Has Little Memory of Meeting With Papadopoulos

Jared Kushner
The president’s son-in-law met briefly with Kislyak at an event at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington in April 2016 in what he has described as an exchange of pleasantries. In December, after the election, Kushner met again with Kislyak and Russian banker Sergey Gorkov, who’s close to Putin.

Kushner Denies Improper Russia Contacts as He Meets With Senators

Michael Caputo
The Republican political strategist -- who lived for a time in Moscow and worked for the campaign of the late President Boris Yeltsin -- worked briefly as an adviser to the Trump campaign. He was contacted by a Russian business partner who asked him to help facilitate a meeting between the Trump campaign and a Russian national who identified himself as Henry Greenberg. Caputo directed him to veteran Republican operative Stone, with whom Caputo has worked for decades.

Caputo Says He Never Heard Campaign Talk of Russia Collusion

Roger Stone
The longtime Trump political adviser confirmed for the first time this month that he met at a Florida cafe in May 2016 with Greenberg, who claimed to have information that would be “beneficial” to the Trump campaign but demanded $2 million in exchange. Stone -- who says he’d forgotten about the 20-minute meeting when he failed to disclose it in interviews with a congressional committee -- said he rejected the deal. Stone says he thinks the meeting was part of an FBI plot to entrap him in light of indications that Greenberg had worked in the past as an informant for the bureau.

Stone also told people during the campaign that he was in contact with Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, which published Democratic National Committee emails believed to have been stolen by Russian operatives. Stone has since denied that he communicated directly with Assange. Stone also exchanged private messages on Twitter with an online persona called Guccifer 2.0, believed to be linked to the Russian government.

Mueller Turns His Focus to Longtime Trump Adviser Roger Stone

Paul Manafort currently in jail for witness tampering and is indicated
While serving as Trump’s campaign chairman, Manafort was in contact with Konstantin Kilimnik, who the FBI has described as having ties to Russian intelligence. In July 2016, Manafort offered to give a campaign briefing to another business associate, Oleg Deripaska, who’s closely aligned with the Kremlin. Manafort was charged in October with a series of financial crimes and for failing to register as an agent of Ukraine. His bail was revoked and he was jailed after prosecutors claimed he tried to tamper with witnesses.

Manafort Judge Rejects Bid to Toss Money-Laundering Charge

Donald Trump Jr.
The president’s son helped arrange the meeting at Trump Tower in June 2016 with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya and Rinat Akhmetshin, a Russian-American lobbyist. Kushner and Manafort also were there. While the Russians billed it as a chance to share damaging information on Clinton, participants have said nothing of value was offered.

Trump Jr. agreed to the meeting at the request of a pop star in Russia whose family has ties to Putin and has known the Trump family for several years. The meeting also has led to controversy over President Trump’s role in drafting a statement that falsely described the topic of the meeting as adoptions of Russian children.

In addition, Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of the Russian central bank, has said he had shared a dinner table with Trump Jr. at the National Rifle Association’s annual convention in May. Torshin, a former senator in Putin’s United Russia party directed dirty-money flows for mobsters in Moscow, according to investigators in Spain.

Trump Jr. Declines to Detail Talk With Father, Democrat Says

Carter Page currently indicated
After being named a foreign policy adviser to the campaign in March 2016, Page traveled to Moscow that July for a speech and meetings. Page said he met briefly with Arkady Dvorkovich, then the deputy prime minister of Russia. Page said he also met Dvorkovich again at a dinner in December, after he was no longer affiliated with the Trump campaign. Page also met in July with Andrey Baranov, the head of investor relations for the Russian energy company Rosneft. And Page met with Kislyak briefly at the Republican convention in July. U.S. intelligence agencies indicated Page was a target of Russian intelligence as early as 2013.

Page Tells Russia Probe He’s ‘Biggest Embarrassment’ to Trump

Jeff Sessions
The attorney general, who took an early role in Trump’s campaign while serving in the Senate, had conversations with Ambassador Kislyak at the Republican convention and in September in his Senate office. The Washington Post reported that U.S. intelligence intercepted Kislyak telling Russian officials that they discussed campaign-related issues. Session recused himself from the Russia investigation -- a move for which Trump has repeatedly vilified him because Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein then appointed Mueller as special counsel.

Trump Laments Picking Sessions as GOP Ally Undercuts Spying Claim

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crockett

So many Russian meetings it requires a second post!!!! Totally normal folks nuffins to see here!


J.D. Gordon
As a campaign foreign policy adviser, Gordon met briefly with Kislyak at the Republican convention. Page contacted Gordon, a former Pentagon spokesman, and others on the campaign in July to praise them for a change in the Republican Party platform that softened the party’s support for Ukraine in its conflict with Russia. Gordon also has said Page went around him to secure permission to make a trip to Russia.

Trump’s Campaign Foreign Policy Team Under Mueller’s Microscope

Rick Gates pleaded guilty
In September and October, Gates communicated directly with Kilimnik, according to court filings. Gates was a right-hand man to Manafort and worked as a campaign aide until he was fired by Trump in August. Even after being fired, Gates remained involved with the campaign through the Republican National Committee, and he worked on the presidential transition. Gates pleaded guilty in February to conspiring with Manafort to defraud the U.S. in charges not directly related to the Russia probe.

Gates Guilty Plea Strengthens U.S. Hand Against Manafort

Erik Prince
The founder of Blackwater, a provider of private security forces in trouble spots such as Iraq, served as an informal adviser to Trump’s transition team. His sister, Betsy DeVos, is now education secretary. After Trump’s election but before the inauguration, Prince met Kirill Dmitriev, the head of a Russian-government controlled wealth fund who’s close to Putin, during a visit to the Seychelles islands.


Prince told congressional investigators he was meeting with the crown prince of the United Arab Emirates to discuss topics including Middle East tensions and bauxite mining when the prince’s brother casually suggested that he go downstairs to chat with “this Russian guy.” The New York Times has reported that the meeting was arranged in part to explore the possibility of a back channel for discussions between the incoming Trump administration and the Kremlin, according to people familiar with the meeting it didn’t identify.







It's all a big nuffin burgers folks..This is totally normal, like no other campaign has ever done this but it's totally nuffins. Following laws is only for immigrants at the boarder! This is all totally legit stuff because they only talked about the weather in Moscow! What is really important is Hillary's emails...

source.. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...on-allegations

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tony286

Fake news not true!!!!! Hillary's emails, Benghazi. Did I get right , before they come in?

ilnjscb

You know pretty much everyone with any power has met with Russians, right? I met with Russians last month.

Vote, dude. This stuff will do more harm than good. It's a fantasy that this will be efficacious in any way.

Matt-ADX

I was listening to an interesting podcast this weekend about the world cup and bribery of how it was awarded to Russia over what people thought was a far better bid from everyone else (England, Spain / Portugal) But somehow Russia got it.

Neat connections to this trump investigation (not saying this one side or the other, just interesting there is a lot of same connections)

England hires former spy to look into how Russia got the World Cup that spy?

Christopher Steele, yes the same one of the dossier.

Steele finds some shady shit showing shady shit, he brings it to people in the UK who want nothing to do with it (Mostly because no real soccer country wanted to piss off Fifa)

Steele hears that the FBI is really looking to prosecute international wire fraud cases and that type of shit, it is one of the objectives of then Director Robert Mueller.

Steele contacts an agent in Brooklyn who knows nothing about soccer, but knows that case will be something Mueller wants to go for. So they take it and through investigation they flip Chuck Blazer and American who was taking bribes and voted for Moscow to win the world cup, Blazer lives in NYC, Guess what building???

Years later Steele gets hired to spy on the Russians again and finds some alarming evidence of Trump collusion, he gives that dossier to the same FBI agent, that's where we are.

Just interesting stuff, Steele was the one who brought down Fifa, so now my stance on his Trump Dossier has changed.

crockett

It's illegal for non elected officials/campaigns or their staff to meet or make deals with foreign nationals with out prior approval from the current administration/state office. That is the law. Every campaign has followed these rules (except Reagan who broke it). It was only a problem for Trump's campaign to follow and Reagan the Iran Hostage thing. Added to this, many of these meetings were seeking help with the the actual election or dealings about the sanctions. Meaning they broke the law..

None of this even covers the obstruction of justice issues after Trump was in the WH..


The harm was done by Trump and his associates..

In the 2 instances we know of these laws were broken.. Reagan got away with it, because he was able to cover it up but later his staff went to jail for the Iran Contra stuff but Reagan had fall guys for himself. Now we have Trump who is still under investigation..

This is why we have to have this investigation, because a similar event took place with Reagan & Iran and that ended up with his administration funding a rogue state and allowing illegal drugs into this country so he could fund arms sales to Iran..

Reagan Iran Contra dealings started before he was elected and his back door dealings with Iran to hold American hostages until after the election in order to make Carter look bad during the election.. Let that sink in, there.. Reagan the great Republican hero, made a deal with Iran to keep American hostages captive longer than they might of been held in order to help him win a election.

After this Iran had dirt on him, so he then was selling Iran weapons under the table and allowing drugs into our country via the CIA so he could then fund the gun buys with out Congress knowing.. All this gets shrugged off by Republicans because Reagan was the Messiah, but now Trump the new Messiah is potentially found himself in the same position to be blackmailed by Russia, maybe China or who knows who else..

Reagan was the biggest traitor to this country so far but the judgment is still out with Trump..

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crockett

It all just needs to run the course.. If the investigation comes back and states something like Trump's people made some inappropriate meetings but we found no wrongful intent or doesn't charge him, then I can accept that so long as the investigation in allowed to run it's course.

What gets me, is we have all these shady connections and meetings on one hand, but then the actions of Trump firing Comey, trying to dismantle the FBI and Justice dept. His blatant attempts of cover up makes the Russian thing go from smoke to fire in my mind.

If Trump simply had some shady business dealings with Russians or whoever resolving around his business, I could probably let that slide. It might be illegal and might be some risk, but it's kinda typical of people in his position. However all these meetings about campaign related things is a different story, because at that point it goes from meetings about his business to meeting with foreign powers and him getting kick backs like we've seen from China with his daughter and the loans to his construction project. (what is fucked is all the China and Saudi related things aren't even part of this investigation so far as we know at this point.. Meaning there could still be more coming)

The investigation needs to run it's course and let the cards fall where they fall, because if he is in a position to be black mailed we need to know it.. As Reagan showed us why..

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crockett

I get that you like to dress up on the weekends, but you have nothing to say when all these Trump campaign guys are linked to Russia during the campaign?

If this was all normal, why were Trump's campaign not meeting with Brits, Canadians, Aussies, Japanese, South Koreans, the French, Swedes.. or any other country we have legitimate dealings with.. Why is it just Russia they were trying to make deals with? Seems very odd doesn't it?

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Ybu how many PORN STARS did The Donald diddle?
Being a porn webmaster board that's really the only thing I care about.

Can I make a buck? LOL

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xClips Jim

The reason I have nothing to say is that I don't find any of this to be unusual in the world of politics. More importantly, I believe I know what's coming from the Russian collusion investigation and I join your previous comment about waiting to see what happens.

But hey, that's just my 12 hour a day deep dive into every single government document provided to us during this investigation. The reason I'm willing to bet on me being right over you is simple - YOU think the Manafort indictment is tied to Trump. It tells me all I need to know.

Bladewire

You're wasting your time.

He's a Trump cultist.

No matter what Trump does, he supports it, anything Trump does... Trump could shoot a baby and hardliner trolls will justify it and support it..

Anything Trump does wrong was a conspiracy against Trump and Trump isn't responsible for it.

Any bad results from Trump's policies are the Democrats fault going back to Clinton & Obama and Democrat obstruction.

He has an excuse for everything & never takes personal responsibility unless it's good just like a true loser.

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beerptrol

Chump and his cultist love that russian dick. Chump will have Putin over and blow him in the WH

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xClips Jim

Does this look like a normal person to you people? Shoot a baby? How do they even think these things? What is wrong with them?

For the sane people among you, #walkaway - we are waiting for you with open arms.

Mrs. Bladewire making her fake nic list - oh, look another person disagrees with her - they must be fake!

Rochard

Really? How many Russians did the Hillary people meet with.

It's a serious question.

Here is a partial answer:
http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...ers-to-clinton

"Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said in an interview Sunday that the Russian ambassador who met with Trump campaign officials also met with “people working in think tanks advising Hillary or advising people working for Hillary.”

So, no secret meetings on islands in the Indian Ocean, or in Prague.

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Rochard

Why would either team be meeting with any government officials from any foreign country? Until the become President Elect they shouldn't be meeting with anyone. And even after they become President Elect, they shouldn't be taking any meetings with anyone from a foreign country without the state department involved.

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ilnjscb

You saw the case today? It all will go to the Supreme Court regardless. VOTE. All this side show bullshit doesn't help, and the crazy stuff may actually be driving people away.

Two more retirements, imagine that. I get it, you're right about keeping up awareness on social media but you must back it with the VOTE.

Bladewire

Why did so many of Trump's people LIE about meeting with Russians?

If meeting with Russians was no big deal, why did all of them lie about meeting Russians, including Trump's corrupt attorney general?

crockett

I think it's not being honest to say this isn't unusual. There has never been a US candidate with so many ties to Russia. Added to this some of his staff picks seemed to have been picked specifically due to their access to Russians.

Now look man, I can get the argument of saying.. hey he's picking guys that can perhaps makes deals with other countries.. However it's only Russians that his guys are generally well connected to. It's not like these guys were in good with the Brits, French, Canadians or any long list of traditional allies.. it's all Russians...

When you combine that with attacks on our election process that Trump has mostly ignored because it favored him, Trump's refusal to impose sanctions Congress passed, and all Trump's butt kissing to Putin it's not a far reach to say this in not "usual"..

In fact it's a very long reach to say it's normal..

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xClips Jim

Let's say you're correct (you will find out you are wrong, soon), and there has never been a candidate with so many ties to Russia - what is your point? Is there a specific crime and a specific person that you are pointing to? I don't get into memes when we're talking reality.

I understand your position but, and I really mean this with no offense and for this post only - you just don't understand what is happening. It's not because of your intellect, it's because I can tell you have not researched like I have. I am completely fine with a difference of opinion, but we cannot agree on what a fact is so it's very difficult and mostly a waste of time to debate much of this with you. Like I said, you say with complete confidence that the Manafort indictment is about Trump. It makes it very difficult for a person that can read to take most of your thoughts seriously when you do that.

crockett

The most specific crime would be a civilian/non elected official can not make deals with foreign nationals or states on behalf of our country with out permission of the current state office.

That is actual law, not speculation or opinion but actual law. It doesn't matter if the person is running for POTUS or the Mayor of New York. They can't made deals on behalf of the US prior to being elected to a office.

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xClips Jim

I totally agree with you. What deal was made? Who made it?

OneHungLo

Do you guys spin a wheel and pick a subject to be outraged about? Glad to see you're back to Russia

crockett

Refer to my 1st & 2nd posts. Those are the "publicly known" contacts at this point. Many of those were illegal according to the law. If there were more or what can be proven or what will be charged remains a guessing game until the investigation runs it's course and charges are made or not.

None of us can really say one way or another other than take guesses by publicly known information. The investigators clearly know more than us and being they haven't wrapped up the investigation by clearing everyone means they are still actively working it. If they are still working it, then we can't know if these others will be charged or not, including Trump.

My guess is the SC will not charge Trump even if he can be connected to a crime but rather they will release a report and put that information into the hands of Congress if there were crimes committed. All these others listed above can be charged by the SC if they committed crimes or cleared if they haven't.

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bronco67

Ummm...Rusia is our main foreign adversary with an interest in destabilizing our democracy, thus destabilizing the world. Dumbass.

If your girlfriend was seen around town with "Big Dick Jim" would you think she was fucking him...or would you say "well, there's no law against being seen around town with a guy called Big Dick Jim who is known for fucking everyone's girlfriend"?

This Rusia contact thing is just red flags flying everywhere and it's hard to believe anyone is gullible enough to stick their head in the sand regarding it.

BTW fucktard...Russia is Big Dick Jim just in case it flew past you.

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xClips Jim

I see. Well, obviously, I disagree with you on your conclusions as to what will constitute illegal actions. We are in agreement that we won't know until this wraps up.

xClips Jim

Wow, your muscles are SO big in this post. Flex again!

slapass

That is unreal.

BaldBastard

There's a good investigation going on in Australia at the moment into the Trump Russia thing, through the ABC Australian Tv network.. which has NOTHING to do with American ABC just the name. While its not really throwing up any new dirt it is explaining how trump got from A to B, Its good investigative reporting, not based on " Anonymous sources " They've spend a lot of time in the USA and Russia interviewing many involved. if you've every found yourself saying "Fake News" in America or " But Cnn said" I highly advise you to watch for an unbiased report.

First for the Trumpers and Ruskis..

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/abc-news-australia/
Factual Reporting: HIGH

Here's the docos:

Trump/Russia: Follow the Money - Four Corners

Trump/Russia: Secrets, spies and useful idiots - Four Corners

Trump Russia: Moscow Rules - Four Corners

bronco67

That's not an answer. That's a non-answer to divert attention away from the fact that you know you have your head in the sand...and up your ass.

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xClips Jim

Oh, you wanted a real answer after calling me a bunch of names first? Nah...

Oooooh, how big your quads are - so manly!

You might think that, but I don't.

Bladewire

He's a total waste of time hate fake nic I've had him blocked for awhile now, nice change to GFY

xClips Jim aka Acepimp aka Dyna Mo aka 8pt-buck aka onwebcam

Sad lonely hate troll that insists on being anonymous with every nic

Hate troll response in 3.. 2.. 1...

xClips Jim

Everyone knows you're lying, Mrs. Bladewire.

Matt-ADX

I thought so, thought it was worth people here talking about, instead of interesting new content about how Christopher Steele helped bring down FIFA by giving it to the FBI. People want to yell fake nic crap.

bronco67

That's what they call a straw man argument. Saying Texas can compete with the entire country of Russia economically has nothing to do with the fact that Russia can cripple us in more subversive ways which aren't that expensive.

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OneHungLo

I love it. They are now preparing you loons for the biggest let down of your lives

xClips Jim

No, that's not what a straw man argument is.

You said Russia is our main foreign adversary. I disagreed and gave a brief picture why I don't think that.

We are not going to engage with Russia militarily, obviously. That leaves economic issues to be of primary concern - you are entitled to your opinion, but in mine, Russia is barely noticeable in our range of economic adversaries. If they can cripple us in more subversive ways, than a larger economic powerhouse can as well - and is trying.

Russia is not our problem, but they have a long tradition in our movie industry so they make an easy boogeyman to peddle to the masses.

RedFred

Self portrait?