Going with Ibill versus Epoch ? - GoFuckYourself.com

TheJimmy · 03-03-2003, 03:46 PM

I've narrowed it down to going with either of these.

The advantage of ibill I hear is that they offer more billing solutions than epoch, ie. phone, can resell some tangible items, etc...

on the other hand I hear epoch processes transactions like a MOFO and has a few more bells & whistles for the program owners....

anyone out there have 2

to throw in on this from their personal experience I'd LOVE to hear it!

thanks in advance...

brutus · 03-03-2003, 04:35 PM

CCbill ???

TheJimmy · 03-03-2003, 04:41 PM

Don't get me wrong, I love the people at ccbill, I know they run a top-notch service, etc...but there are a few issues/features that have made the decision for me to put them on a secondary rotation for cascading later down the road....

JimW · 03-03-2003, 04:41 PM

ibill has web900 billing.

epoch has everything else, and has great options such as ez-clicks...

jact · 03-03-2003, 04:48 PM

I can't believe nobody's pointed out the obvious drawbacks of iBill.

If you don't feel the need to get paid, definitly choose iBill!

I've heard some really solid things about Epoch.

Cindyff · 03-03-2003, 04:49 PM

Please do not use Ibill, ok so they have web 900 . But people are still owed thousands of $ because Ibill will not or cannot pay prior months of web 900 members.
If that is the only reason you want to use Ibill then dont use them. I think the most important requirement of any third party processor is Tech and Customer support and here Epoch wins hands down over all other processors. Use Epoch as your #1 and CC Bill as a back up maybe even Globil as a third ( if they ever get their website back up ???)

Cindy xx

ronin · 03-03-2003, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by JimW
ibill has web900 billing.

epoch has everything else, and has great options such as ez-clicks...

i use them, they all have different pros & cons.

Broda · 03-03-2003, 04:53 PM

I'd go with epoch over ibill... and ccbill over ibill... but as far as choosing between ccbill and epoch.. tough decision

Interlude · 03-03-2003, 05:03 PM

iBill may or may not be reliable these days... some folks are getting paid, some have to fight for it. Certainly, most can agree that their customer service is about the worst you'd ever have to deal with. If something goes wrong, and odds are something will at some point, you're shit outta luck.

Epoch just plain kicks ass. Their feature set, conversions, rentention and customer service are all top knotch.

NetRodent · 03-03-2003, 05:28 PM

We haven't used Epoch since they had payment problems a couple of year back, so my info may be a bit out of date. At the time, iBill had much better reporting than Epoch and it was easier to integrate iBill with our tracking system.

I'd say go with both. Use one as primary and one as secondary. Both iBill and Epoch are used by serious players in the industry. The only other processor that seems to come close is Jettis.

ZoiNk · 03-03-2003, 05:39 PM

Go with epoch, custom join forms, get rid of the CVV2 stuff, confuses the fuck out of the surfer and watch the sales fly, add cancelplus and crossbilling, and you will be in heaven.

ZoiNk

AaronM · 03-03-2003, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by jact
I can't believe nobody's pointed out the obvious drawbacks of iBill.

If you don't feel the need to get paid, definitly choose iBill!

I've heard some really solid things about Epoch.

Quit reading my mind.

jact · 03-03-2003, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

Quit reading my mind.

Hey, not my fault you like riding on my coat-tails!

Tipsy · 03-03-2003, 05:48 PM

I find it interesting that somebody who reads and posts on this (or many others) board still considers iBill an option at the moment. Sure, you get people slag off any company but the amount of different people with iBill issues is huge. Could be that they will get their act together again but in the meantime how could anyobe even consider them for a new project?

AaronM · 03-03-2003, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by jact

Hey, not my fault you like riding on my coat-tails!

"jact
Spam me with dialer programs

Registered: Sep 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 192"

You were saying?

jact · 03-03-2003, 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

"jact
Spam me with dialer programs

Registered: Sep 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 192"

You were saying?

Always gotta be a hater, donchya? :D

TheJimmy · 03-03-2003, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by Tipsy
I find it interesting that somebody who reads and posts on this (or many others) board still considers iBill an option at the moment. Sure, you get people slag off any company but the amount of different people with iBill issues is huge. Could be that they will get their act together again but in the meantime how could anyobe even consider them for a new project?

I'm do not do any biz with the mindframe of 'at the moment.' I try to think a little more longterm than that...

I'm sure ibill will come back and be a major player, I seriously doubt they're going out DMR style...

My considerations are flexibility in billing, processing as many attempts as possible (minus the obvious dirtbags), features for the program owner, and of course payouts...

I don't judge a program on a one time fuckup, now if ibill had a rash of non-payment issues of course I would never consider them...

so far this thread seems to clearly point to epoch as being THE processor to go with of the 2 mentioned in the subject...

thanks for all the feedback so far...

AaronM · 03-03-2003, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by jact

Always gotta be a hater, donchya? :D

That last reply was my 7000th post. I gave that to YOU. If that is not love then WTF is?

jact · 03-03-2003, 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

That last reply was my 7000th post. I gave that to YOU. If that is not love then WTF is?

Should I bring the lube or you got that covered?

Kimmykim · 03-03-2003, 05:59 PM

While I am not going into my thoughts about it, I would choose Epoch of those two.

Did anyone happen to notice Intercepts new corporate structure?

TheJimmy · 03-03-2003, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
While I am not going into my thoughts about it, I would choose Epoch of those two.

Did anyone happen to notice Intercepts new corporate structure?

thoughts, thoughts...go into the thoughts KimmyKim...

I wanna hear...

AaronM · 03-03-2003, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by jact

Should I bring the lube or you got that covered?

I have some special for you. I tossed some sand in there as well.

I am boy dog.

jact · 03-03-2003, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

I have some special for you. I tossed some sand in there as well.

I am boy dog.

SteveLightspeed · 03-03-2003, 06:17 PM

Ibill doesn't pay, nor honor the trust that people put in them. Their support is a joke.

Epoch is solid. Ccbill rocks.

Shoplifter · 03-03-2003, 06:26 PM

If you have a get out of trouble free card go with Ibill. It seems to me they are trying...I have had all my payments on time and they set up my newest site within 48 hours. Their scrub these days blows everyone else out of the water.

I've never used Epoch so no comment, but others swear by them.

I might mention ACPay. Good scrub. Their affiliate system bites it though.

LadyMischief · 03-03-2003, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

I have some special for you. I tossed some sand in there as well.

I am boy dog.

Why do I get the feeling you're stepping up on my turf!? Am I gonna have to pee on him or something? God.

At least, let me take pictures, damnit.

Kimmykim · 03-03-2003, 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by TheJimmy

thoughts, thoughts...go into the thoughts KimmyKim...

I wanna hear...

No thoughts, I just feel that Epoch and CCBill are probably the two most prepared in this landscape to stick with their clients and not get axed either.

I am not saying anything negative about ANY OTHER processor, just that for me, my comfort level is important with anyone I collect a dime from.

AaronM · 03-03-2003, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Why do I get the feeling you're stepping up on my turf!? Am I gonna have to pee on him or something? God.

At least, let me take pictures, damnit.

He would not need me if you would start with the strap on again. Apparently he misses that part of your relationship.

LadyMischief · 03-03-2003, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

He would not need me if you would start with the strap on again. Apparently he misses that part of your relationship.

Yeah, but the strapon I was using was too big, and he kept complaining that it took away from his relationship with you. I think I recall the phrase "hotdog down a hallway" being used.

AaronM · 03-03-2003, 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Yeah, but the strapon I was using was too big, and he kept complaining that it took away from his relationship with you. I think I recall the phrase "hotdog down a hallway" being used.

LOL...... Now YOU of all people know better than that. You even tipped me after our encounter.

And for the record...I was the boy dog that time too.

jact · 03-03-2003, 07:29 PM

When the fuck did this thread become about my anus?!

AaronM · 03-03-2003, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by jact
When the fuck did this thread become about my anus?!

When you asked about the lube.

LadyMischief · 03-03-2003, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by jact
When the fuck did this thread become about my anus?!

Well it's so wide and all-encompassing... wasn't it ALWAYS about your anus, in a roundabout way?

And Aaron, I tipped you... But I bet Doc Johnson never felt so good, eh? :P
Ready for round 2?

AaronM · 03-03-2003, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Well it's so wide and all-encompassing... wasn't it ALWAYS about your anus, in a roundabout way?

And Aaron, I tipped you... But I bet Doc Johnson never felt so good, eh? :P
Ready for round 2?

Let me smoke a cancer stick first....

LadyMischief · 03-03-2003, 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

Let me smoke a cancer stick first....

Ok... I know you need the break....this time try not screaming out certain... names.. you know what I mean.

AaronM · 03-03-2003, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Ok... I know you need the break....this time try not screaming out certain... names.. you know what I mean.

Leave Wizzo out of this.

LadyMischief · 03-03-2003, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

Leave Wizzo out of this.

Oh man... YOU dragged him into this.. not me.. And it's not my fault he gives the same fucking "tips" I do.....

Platinum Dave · 03-03-2003, 08:29 PM

Whoever you go with, use the opposite as a backup.

Both solid processors.

garry · 03-03-2003, 09:03 PM

Why dont you use Both, and then ever throw in CCBill or PSW at the same time

With the mpa2 program you can use 3 processors cascading. If one doesnt take the customers credit card the second processor might, or the third one.
http://www.mansionproductions.com/mpa2.html

And not only that, but from your admin panel you can change who you want to have first, second and third in the cascading everyday from a drop down menu. This way you can test who will give you the best sign up ratio.

Cant get any better then that !

gregtx · 03-03-2003, 09:23 PM

good call Garry... every processor could totally work different for you.. and its nice to be able to have a backup that you can switch out easily if someone goes down... or worse does not pay...

TheJimmy · 03-03-2003, 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by jact
When the fuck did this thread become about my anus?!

anus talk is ALWAYS welcome in any thread I start...

that goes for b00bie talk and p00ty talk as well....

jact · 03-03-2003, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheJimmy

anus talk is ALWAYS welcome in any thread I start...

that goes for b00bie talk and p00ty talk as well....

Okay so I've learned two things from this thread.

1) Avoid falling asleep when Aaron's around and there's a camera handy.
2) Avoid any thread started by TheJimmy as my anus may become the next victim.

Thanks!

XxXotic · 03-03-2003, 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

Leave Wizzo out of this.

wizzo spends far too much time on his hair to be straight

03-03-2003, 04:41 PM	#3
TheJimmy ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0 Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,747	Don't get me wrong, I love the people at ccbill, I know they run a top-notch service, etc...but there are a few issues/features that have made the decision for me to put them on a secondary rotation for cascading later down the road.... __________________ Investor with 5m - 15m USD to invest. Do you have a site or network of sites earning 50k - 200k a month income? Email your contact and preliminary data to: domain.cashventures (at) gmail.com....Please...no tire kickers...serious offers and inquiries only.

03-03-2003, 04:48 PM	#5
jact Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,134	I can't believe nobody's pointed out the obvious drawbacks of iBill. If you don't feel the need to get paid, definitly choose iBill! I've heard some really solid things about Epoch. __________________ Free agent

03-03-2003, 04:53 PM	#8
Broda Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CheapAssDesigns.com Posts: 1,874	I'd go with epoch over ibill... and ccbill over ibill... but as far as choosing between ccbill and epoch.. tough decision __________________ CheapAssDesigns.com - when you need quality designs at affordable prices. icq: 230-729-205 info \|at\| cheap ass designs dot com

03-03-2003, 05:28 PM	#10
NetRodent Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In the walls of your house. Posts: 3,985	We haven't used Epoch since they had payment problems a couple of year back, so my info may be a bit out of date. At the time, iBill had much better reporting than Epoch and it was easier to integrate iBill with our tracking system. I'd say go with both. Use one as primary and one as secondary. Both iBill and Epoch are used by serious players in the industry. The only other processor that seems to come close is Jettis. __________________ "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." --H.L. Mencken

03-03-2003, 05:39 PM	#11
ZoiNk Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 2,370	Go with epoch, custom join forms, get rid of the CVV2 stuff, confuses the fuck out of the surfer and watch the sales fly, add cancelplus and crossbilling, and you will be in heaven. ZoiNk __________________ "People can have the Model T in any color - so long as it's black." - Henry Ford

03-03-2003, 03:46 PM	#1
TheJimmy ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0 Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,747	Going with Ibill versus Epoch ? I've narrowed it down to going with either of these. The advantage of ibill I hear is that they offer more billing solutions than epoch, ie. phone, can resell some tangible items, etc... on the other hand I hear epoch processes transactions like a MOFO and has a few more bells & whistles for the program owners.... anyone out there have 2 to throw in on this from their personal experience I'd LOVE to hear it! thanks in advance... __________________ Investor with 5m - 15m USD to invest. Do you have a site or network of sites earning 50k - 200k a month income? Email your contact and preliminary data to: domain.cashventures (at) gmail.com....Please...no tire kickers...serious offers and inquiries only.

03-03-2003, 04:35 PM	#2
brutus Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Living in the bottle. Posts: 590	CCbill ???

03-03-2003, 04:41 PM	#4
JimW Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 422	ibill has web900 billing. epoch has everything else, and has great options such as ez-clicks...

03-03-2003, 04:49 PM	#6
Cindyff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,187	Please do not use Ibill, ok so they have web 900 . But people are still owed thousands of $ because Ibill will not or cannot pay prior months of web 900 members. If that is the only reason you want to use Ibill then dont use them. I think the most important requirement of any third party processor is Tech and Customer support and here Epoch wins hands down over all other processors. Use Epoch as your #1 and CC Bill as a back up maybe even Globil as a third ( if they ever get their website back up ???) Cindy xx

03-03-2003, 05:03 PM	#9
Interlude Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: State of Denial Posts: 1,147	iBill may or may not be reliable these days... some folks are getting paid, some have to fight for it. Certainly, most can agree that their customer service is about the worst you'd ever have to deal with. If something goes wrong, and odds are something will at some point, you're shit outta luck. Epoch just plain kicks ass. Their feature set, conversions, rentention and customer service are all top knotch.

03-03-2003, 05:48 PM	#14
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	I find it interesting that somebody who reads and posts on this (or many others) board still considers iBill an option at the moment. Sure, you get people slag off any company but the amount of different people with iBill issues is huge. Could be that they will get their act together again but in the meantime how could anyobe even consider them for a new project?

03-03-2003, 05:59 PM	#20
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	While I am not going into my thoughts about it, I would choose Epoch of those two. Did anyone happen to notice Intercepts new corporate structure?

03-03-2003, 06:17 PM	#24
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	Ibill doesn't pay, nor honor the trust that people put in them. Their support is a joke. Epoch is solid. Ccbill rocks. __________________ Abra-cadabra!

03-03-2003, 06:26 PM	#25
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,726	If you have a get out of trouble free card go with Ibill. It seems to me they are trying...I have had all my payments on time and they set up my newest site within 48 hours. Their scrub these days blows everyone else out of the water. I've never used Epoch so no comment, but others swear by them. I might mention ACPay. Good scrub. Their affiliate system bites it though. Last edited by Shoplifter; 03-03-2003 at 06:29 PM..

03-03-2003, 07:29 PM	#31
jact Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,134	When the fuck did this thread become about my anus?! __________________ Free agent

03-03-2003, 08:29 PM	#38
Platinum Dave Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,441	Whoever you go with, use the opposite as a backup. Both solid processors. __________________ Check out Adult Rental - Only Pay Per Signup VOD!

03-03-2003, 09:03 PM	#39
garry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 680	Why dont you use Both, and then ever throw in CCBill or PSW at the same time With the mpa2 program you can use 3 processors cascading. If one doesnt take the customers credit card the second processor might, or the third one. http://www.mansionproductions.com/mpa2.html And not only that, but from your admin panel you can change who you want to have first, second and third in the cascading everyday from a drop down menu. This way you can test who will give you the best sign up ratio. Cant get any better then that ! __________________ The Creator Of THE STANDARD* *in Affiliate Program Software - We make affiliates and program owners more money! MPA3® – Anything Else Is A Replica Choose between our impressive lineup of software's: MPA3® PRO - MPA3® ENTERPRISE - MPA3® Standard -MAS® CMS - and topping it off with amazing DESIGN, Consulting and Webmaster Services! "Your Mansion of Opportunities!" Around since 1997 and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" to the industry. MPA3® V5 - The most intuitive Affiliate Program Software ever made - MPA3® V5 – Anything Else Is A Replica

03-03-2003, 09:23 PM	#40
gregtx Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,929	good call Garry... every processor could totally work different for you.. and its nice to be able to have a backup that you can switch out easily if someone goes down... or worse does not pay... __________________ Processing Partners http://www.processingpartners.com