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Mutt · 09-13-2011, 12:35 AM

I have a question for you. You're certain you and your fellow conspiracy kook interweb friends have exposed the truth about 9/11 - your own government committed unspeakable atrocities against its own people. And will do it again of course and this time it might be your city or somewhere you or your family are out and about.

So the question is why aren't you defending yourselves and your family, why haven't you risen up and fought against those who may kill you? What are you waiting for?

oh wait, you have a new TV season you don't want to miss and sitting on your asses on the interweb exposing 'the truth' is far more effective and noble and brave

xholly · 09-13-2011, 12:50 AM

will76 · 09-13-2011, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

I have a question for you. You're certain you and your fellow conspiracy kook interweb friends have exposed the truth about 9/11 - your own government committed unspeakable atrocities against its own people. And will do it again of course and this time it might be your city or somewhere you or your family are out and about.

So the question is why aren't you defending yourselves and your family, why haven't you risen up and fought against those who may kill you? What are you waiting for?

oh wait, you have a new TV season you don't want to miss and sitting on your asses on the interweb exposing 'the truth' is far more effective and noble and brave

the truth is 95% of those people are anti social outcasts. They don't fit in society, they were either made fun of are looked at as freaks. Their lives are boring at best. They don't have a lot of friends but yet they want to feel important and like their pathetic lives have a purpose. They are powerless so they strike out against the people in power (the govt). They also feel that they are smarter than everyone else, and we are all brainwashed idiots that weren't smart enough to *figure out* what "really" happened.

So they gather on their little message boards or chat rooms where they have other like minded idiots and they all become friends, important, popular (amongst each other). Now if it comes time to actually do something, they would wet their pants before taking their retarded theories offline and the only fighting they do is on D&D.

Oh and FletchXXX is their leader.

Emil · 09-13-2011, 01:12 AM

The terrorists attacked USA because they hate your freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And to show the terrorists that the USA won you are now building the FREEDOM TOWER! That will piss the off!

johnny o · 09-13-2011, 01:22 AM

i'm not a "truther" but war is good business. 9-11 spawned TWO wars.

look at pearl harbor, NO one in the country wanted to join WWII until that day. how better to "rally the troops".

the assassination of JFK. (he didn't want to go into vietnam) lyndon johnson signed us up for war the night of nov 22.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...-vietnam-.html

dgraves · 09-13-2011, 01:44 AM

we can't even protect ourselves against content theft, so how is anyone going to take on the most powerful government in the world?

weren't you watching? they mass murdered 3,000 innocent people on TV and got away with it.

theking · 09-13-2011, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny o

i'm not a "truther" but war is good business. 9-11 spawned TWO wars.

look at pearl harbor, NO one in the country wanted to join WWII until that day. how better to "rally the troops".

the assassination of JFK. (he didn't want to go into vietnam) lyndon johnson signed us up for war the night of nov 22.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...-vietnam-.html

President Eisenhower sent the first U.S. troops to Vietnam and President Kennedy sent tens of thousands more. President Johnson sent in hundreds of thousands.

seeandsee · 09-13-2011, 02:28 AM

they made it to go in new terrorist wars, perfect plot

wehateporn · 09-13-2011, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

I have a question for you. You're certain you and your fellow conspiracy kook interweb friends have exposed the truth about 9/11 - your own government committed unspeakable atrocities against its own people. And will do it again of course and this time it might be your city or somewhere you or your family are out and about.

So the question is why aren't you defending yourselves and your family, why haven't you risen up and fought against those who may kill you? What are you waiting for?

oh wait, you have a new TV season you don't want to miss and sitting on your asses on the interweb exposing 'the truth' is far more effective and noble and brave

It's a war of information and this is the front line!

The Pen (Keyboard) is Mightier than the Sword (Baseball Bat)

nico-t · 09-13-2011, 04:34 AM

i dont know who is behind it, but i do know governments are the biggest liars and bullshitters in the world. Everyone with common sense knows this. So im baffled by the amount of people who completely believe them and call everyone who doubts the government a 'kook'. That's pretty short sighted in my opinion.

wehateporn · 09-13-2011, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

i dont know who is behind it, but i do know governments are the biggest liars and bullshitters in the world. Everyone with common sense knows this. So im baffled by the amount of people who completely believe them and call everyone who doubts the government a 'kook'. That's pretty short sighted in my opinion.

The belief system of many is a house of cards built on faith and propaganda

"They must find it difficult...
Those who have taken authority as the truth,
Rather than truth as the authority."

-G. Massey, Egyptologist

PR_Glen · 09-13-2011, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny o

i'm not a "truther" but war is good business. 9-11 spawned TWO wars.

look at pearl harbor, NO one in the country wanted to join WWII until that day. how better to "rally the troops".

the assassination of JFK. (he didn't want to go into vietnam) lyndon johnson signed us up for war the night of nov 22.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...-vietnam-.html

I don't think anyone is debating the fact that the government took full advantage of what happened those days. (pearl harbour and 9/11) The difference is whether they are guilty of causing it or not. The problem with truthers logic is they take a little bit of truth eg. Reports that the US government were aware of an impending threat with al qaeda and they slip down the slope by interpreting that as "they planned for them to attack". When in reality they get warnings and threats on a daily basis, also homeland security at the time was dragging their feet because of poor communications and the fact they haven't been invaded since wwII.

People live for believing in the fantastical. We love our sci-fi, we love our X-files types of shows and movies and we want to believe our government or some form of super power has complete control over us because they are able to--we even find comfort in this for the most part. The reality is that the government is made up completely of people like us. They have bbq's, they watch too much tv, they cut themselves shaving, they eat taco bell. They aren't super heroes, they aren't evil geniuses and they are far from perfect--with that being true all these thick conspiracies start to seem more like fantasy than anything else.

When I say this I don't mean that they are completely incapable of covering something up, or doing something unethical, just that they are more often than not highly unlikely.

Sly · 09-13-2011, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

i dont know who is behind it, but i do know governments are the biggest liars and bullshitters in the world. Everyone with common sense knows this. So im baffled by the amount of people who completely believe them and call everyone who doubts the government a 'kook'. That's pretty short sighted in my opinion.

I agree. At the same time, I have a difficult time believing that the government, who we just said was completely stupid and full of shit, is capable of pulling off mass conspiracies without any major screw ups and keeping it all under wraps... basically forever.

I don't think we can make an argument that the government is extremely stupid while making an argument that they are cunning enough to pull off XYZ stunt.

But who knows... maybe there is an agency above the CIA that actually knows what they're doing.

Mutt · 09-13-2011, 05:57 AM

stop the ridiculous presumption that anybody who refers to you as 'conspiracy kooks' is naive and trusts the government, the military, the bankers and corporations. we know they are capable of lying and all sorts of evil greedy things. there are conspiracies that have been proven as fact and they weren't proven as fact by self published nutjobs and internet clowns.

when you spin your cockeyed conspiracy theories and fantasies please put forth evidence to back them up by credible sources - academics at respected universities with no reputation for kookiness, journalists for respected newspaper and journals who have no reputation for kookiness, experts from various industries who have years of experience and respect from within their fields with no reputation for kookiness.

Sly · 09-13-2011, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

People live for believing in the fantastical. We love our sci-fi, we love our X-files types of shows and movies and we want to believe our government or some form of super power has complete control over us because they are able to--we even find comfort in this for the most part.

It would be interesting to see psychological profiles of religious nuts and conspiracy theorists. Superpowers and "wanting to believe."

I bet they even own Macs!

wehateporn · 09-13-2011, 06:08 AM

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But who knows... maybe there is an agency above the CIA that actually knows what they're doing.

Now we're talking

The secret services mainly recruit contractors these days and give them information on a "Need to Know" basis. For a project like 9/11 it would mainly be people working almost directly with the Elite, these people would be from another country so as loyalty is not an issue. Also throw in Cheney and a few of others in the US government.

So no, it is not the US Government. It's one of those half-truths that gets thrown around "9/11 wasn't an inside job because the US Government is too incompetent"...STOP RIGHT THERE...you should have said "The US Government is too incompetent to pull off 9/11, so if it was an inside job who would have been capable?"

When half-truths are being used by Authority, it's a sure sign that you are being lied to

wehateporn · 09-13-2011, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

academics at respected universities with no reputation for kookiness, journalists for respected newspaper and journals who have no reputation for kookiness, experts from various industries who have years of experience and respect from within their fields with no reputation for kookiness.

Fury as academics claim 9/11 was 'inside job'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1Xq081NBD

wehateporn · 09-13-2011, 06:20 AM

Here's the guy who predicted 9/11 two months before. He was killed outside his home in November 2001. William Cooper RIP

PR_Glen · 09-13-2011, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

Now we're talking

The secret services mainly recruit contractors these days and give them information on a "Need to Know" basis. For a project like 9/11 it would mainly be people working almost directly with the Elite, these people would be from another country so as loyalty is not an issue. Also throw in Cheney and a few of others in the US government.

So no, it is not the US Government. It's one of those half-truths that gets thrown around "9/11 wasn't an inside job because the US Government is too incompetent"...STOP RIGHT THERE...you should have said "The US Government is too incompetent to pull off 9/11, so if it was an inside job who would have been capable?"

When half-truths are being used by Authority, it's a sure sign that you are being lied to

those imaginary contractors you speak of are people too, those same people who make mistakes like you and me. They aren't supermen. As soon as you start accepting that you start to realize how outlandish 99% of the shit you type is...

scottybuzz · 09-13-2011, 06:30 AM

I am happy enough to listen to the arguments and reasoning. what i fucking hate is when people say things that they have no evidence for or any sort of link or proof.

oh this was found at crash site a, this was found at crash site b. !!! must be an inside job. or they point to some video on youtube made by nobody pointing to grainy items on a video.

and these turn into bushfire rumours that are simply going to spread across the web when probably it did not happen.

why do people ignore osama bin laden? he did attacks before and attacks after (or were they staged too, just to give 9/11 more credibility??? LOL. were the attacks in africa done by al queda or by the US governemnt?). he admitted the attacks, there was reason for the attacks. I mean if you were religious, you might too be a bit pissed off that a foreign army was on your sacred land no??

get some fresh air, take a look around and you will see plenty of people pissed off with the USA who would love to attack the country. But no that doens't make sense that an a pissed off terrorist group would attack buildings, far more sense that a government would do it. the same government who made a major fuck up by not finding WMD when attacking Iraq but who can pull off an immaculate plan of killing thousands of it's own citizens.

9/11 or not. usa would have gone to war with iraq.

heck i dont even know what I am saying, now i sound crazy for arguing with the crazies. i need some fresh air.

wehateporn · 09-13-2011, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

those imaginary contractors you speak of are people too, those same people who make mistakes like you and me. They aren't supermen. As soon as you start accepting that you start to realize how outlandish 99% of the shit you type is...

If you look back over the last 2000 years of history it's easy to see what "People", who aren't supermen, are capable of.

wehateporn · 09-13-2011, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

why do people ignore osama bin laden? he did attacks before and attacks after (or were they staged too, just to give 9/11 more credibility??? LOL. were the attacks in africa done by al queda or by the US governemnt?). he admitted the attacks, there was reason for the attacks. I mean if you were religious, you might too be a bit pissed off that a foreign army was on your sacred land no??

This BBC documentary examines another side to the Bin Laden story

Part 1 - The Power of Nightmares

DWB · 09-13-2011, 06:51 AM

I don't think the gov pulled an inside job on 9-11, but I don't believe the official story.

However, the gov has done horrible things in the past (and present) and false flags are not uncommon, so I have to think that anything is possible, regardless of what I think or anyone else. In the grand scheme of things, there is no telling what is going on above our heads and the atrocities even the most civilized governments may be committing.

In regards to why haven't I done something about it, I have. I move out and relocated to a place where I can be mostly left alone and don't have to be bothered by such shenanigans. Whatever happens back in the USA is not my problem anymore.

scottybuzz · 09-13-2011, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

This BBC documentary examines another side to the Bin Laden story

Part 1 - The Power of Nightmares

do you honestly in your heart of hearts believe this was an inside job? do you really need to believe the USA had to do this to go to war? your an idiot, they don't need to do something like this to go to war. Look at Nato in Bosnia and Libya. They hardly need to blowup their own buildings. If they wanted to attack Afghan all they could do is shout out human rights abuses, ethnic cleansing and WMD.

I don't think noone is disagreeing with you when strange things happened that day but hey 4 planes were hijacked and crashed, it was always going to be a little different. Like whoever was planning this decided that building 7 had to go but forgot to add an extra tiny detail that they were going to need another hijacked plane to the rota and thought fuck it we will use explosives instead then this whole conspiracy theory comes from a mad man's circus but when you start taking those things and start turning them into a sci fi thriller is when you need to lay off the drugs mate.

wehateporn · 09-13-2011, 06:58 AM

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do you honestly in your heart of hearts believe this was an inside job? do you really need to believe the USA had to do this to go to war? your an idiot, they don't need to do something like this to go to war. Look at Bosnia and sending into Nato and Libya. They hardly need to blowup their own buildings. If they wanted to attack Afghan all they could do is shout out human rights abuses, ethnic cleansing and WMD.

It's far more complicated than "USA had to do this to go to war" in fact they say so in their own documents which are freely available online. They describe how a new Pearl Harbor would be beneficial for a number of reasons. This was just before Bush got into power.

If you ever have the time and interest to read through their documents I'll be happy to share them with you.

CaptainHowdy · 09-13-2011, 06:59 AM

How lame is to call yourself "truther"??

ilnjscb · 09-13-2011, 07:03 AM

Nice - attack with generalization and petty insults instead of facts. What a way to advance your case!

Whatever caused that tragedy, which I witnessed in person, there are numerous unanswered questions. Asking questions is usually how you get answers to them. People who don't want ANY questions and use pre-emptive childish insults don't get to the truth. Why wouldn't we want the absolute truth, and why couldn't the truth withstand a robust challenge?

Mathematicians challenge accepted dogma all the time as a matter of course; without that, there would be no advancement. At any time in history, there have been beliefs that were completely false that have been generally accepted. The people who challenged those beliefs were of course called names and ostracized (think Louis Pasteur) but in the end many of them are heroes.

You don't know any more than anyone else what really happened, and you aren't even vaguely an authority on any of the issues surrounding 9/11. It is fine for you to accept what you are told, many do, but allow another person to have the courage to form their own beliefs.

scottybuzz · 09-13-2011, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

It's far more complicated than "USA had to do this to go to war" in fact they say so in their own documents which are freely available online. They describe how a new Pearl Harbor would be beneficial for a number of reasons. This was just before Bush got into power.

If you ever have the time and interest to read through their documents I'll be happy to share them with you.

hey no thanks, ill pass, i actually have work to do. and i respect you for questioning as another poster has said because questioning is really important and governments have pulled off shit far worse than this but I really think you are going up against the deadest of dead leads.

if there is a real conspiracy then yes it should be brought out into open. I don't believe there is not for a second, hence why im out. best of luck.

baddog · 09-13-2011, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny o

i'm not a "truther" but war is good business. 9-11 spawned TWO wars.

look at pearl harbor, NO one in the country wanted to join WWII until that day. how better to "rally the troops".

the assassination of JFK. (he didn't want to go into vietnam) lyndon johnson signed us up for war the night of nov 22.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...-vietnam-.html

We were in Nam before Kennedy was even elected President as "advisers." Kennedy also sent in special forces.

PR_Glen · 09-13-2011, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

If you look back over the last 2000 years of history it's easy to see what "People", who aren't supermen, are capable of.

history is on my side with this one... your blanket arguments aren't even close to evidence, until you start coughing some up you are still a kook...

governments are imperfect and always have been. The leaders of today don't even compare to the stranglehold the leaders of the past had on its people.

PR_Glen · 09-13-2011, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Nice - attack with generalization and petty insults instead of facts. What a way to advance your case!

Whatever caused that tragedy, which I witnessed in person, there are numerous unanswered questions. Asking questions is usually how you get answers to them. People who don't want ANY questions and use pre-emptive childish insults don't get to the truth. Why wouldn't we want the absolute truth, and why couldn't the truth withstand a robust challenge?

Mathematicians challenge accepted dogma all the time as a matter of course; without that, there would be no advancement. At any time in history, there have been beliefs that were completely false that have been generally accepted. The people who challenged those beliefs were of course called names and ostracized (think Louis Pasteur) but in the end many of them are heroes.

You don't know any more than anyone else what really happened, and you aren't even vaguely an authority on any of the issues surrounding 9/11. It is fine for you to accept what you are told, many do, but allow another person to have the courage to form their own beliefs.

nobody is a kook for asking questions... that's another slippery slope people get caught up with. What makes people question their psychological well being is the fact that they will jump on EVERY ridiculous theory out there and never be convince otherwise--even the ones about fluoride in the water...

BlackCrayon · 09-13-2011, 07:26 AM

I am not a conspiracy theorist but the only thing that really bugs me is that 50 years ago, the government would of had no problems doing that to its citizens (think cuba missle crisis). are things really that different today? i would hope so.

porno jew · 09-13-2011, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

It's a war of information and this is the front line!

The Pen (Keyboard) is Mightier than the Sword (Baseball Bat)

lol same line as alex jones.

thing is without action ìnformation is useless.

although he is getting very fat and comfortable off sheep like you who were made to be fleeced.

have you made any persons life in your real life better in any measurable physical way with your "information"?

has your work improved lives the same way a martin luther king, a ghandi did?

no.

though you may have brought a new cult member into some conspiracy theorists flock and bought him a new car.

mafia_man · 09-13-2011, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny o

i'm not a "truther" but war is good business. 9-11 spawned TWO wars.

look at pearl harbor, NO one in the country wanted to join WWII until that day. how better to "rally the troops".

the assassination of JFK. (he didn't want to go into vietnam) lyndon johnson signed us up for war the night of nov 22.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...-vietnam-.html

JFK did want to go into Vietnam. Not sure why you think he didn't.

scottybuzz · 09-13-2011, 07:31 AM

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JFK did want to go into Vietnam. Not sure why you think he didn't.

what, a conspiracy theorist making stuff up to support their ridiculous theory? im surprised

porno jew · 09-13-2011, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

If you look back over the last 2000 years of history it's easy to see what "People", who aren't supermen, are capable of.

what in your real life have you done to make people's lives better in any measurable physical sense freer from tyranny and injustice?

better working conditions? better wages? cleaner air? safer streets? less racism? less sexism? better familial relationships? more peace? less violence?

what has your "information" done?

JamesGw · 09-13-2011, 08:10 AM

I've always found conspiracy theorists to be kind of funny and mildly entertaining. They're fun to argue with, if nothing else!

Rochard · 09-13-2011, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny o

i'm not a "truther" but war is good business. 9-11 spawned TWO wars.

No, it did not spawn two wars. We invaded Afghanistan because of 9/11.

Iraq was invaded in 1991, years before 9/11. The second Gulf War was because we failed to have the courage to take care of business properly.

_Richard_ · 09-13-2011, 08:42 AM

i sure hope ur not trying to encourage an uprising

will76 · 09-13-2011, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

I don't think anyone is debating the fact that the government took full advantage of what happened those days. (pearl harbour and 9/11) The difference is whether they are guilty of causing it or not. The problem with truthers logic is they take a little bit of truth eg. Reports that the US government were aware of an impending threat with al qaeda and they slip down the slope by interpreting that as "they planned for them to attack". When in reality they get warnings and threats on a daily basis, also homeland security at the time was dragging their feet because of poor communications and the fact they haven't been invaded since wwII.

People live for believing in the fantastical. We love our sci-fi, we love our X-files types of shows and movies and we want to believe our government or some form of super power has complete control over us because they are able to--we even find comfort in this for the most part. The reality is that the government is made up completely of people like us. They have bbq's, they watch too much tv, they cut themselves shaving, they eat taco bell. They aren't super heroes, they aren't evil geniuses and they are far from perfect--with that being true all these thick conspiracies start to seem more like fantasy than anything else.

When I say this I don't mean that they are completely incapable of covering something up, or doing something unethical, just that they are more often than not highly unlikely.

Correct some people want to believe the govt is in complete control and had to know about the attacks and let them happen because after all they are big bad brother and they know everything. The reality, like you said, is that govt is a cluster fuck and unfortunately some of them were inept and didn't do a good enough job to prevent this from happening.

At the same time I think the govt kind of likes the conspiracy theories because to some extent they would rather people think they are in 100% control vs a bunch of idiots who really couldn't stop these events from happening.

South park did a really good episode illustrating this point.

These threads always truly amaze me at how many stupid people there are out there in this world. They also sadden me at how many truly stupid there out there in this world, so that and the fact that you can't argue with a truly stupid person is reason why I stay away from most threads like this.

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No, it did not spawn two wars. We invaded Afghanistan because of 9/11.

Iraq was invaded in 1991, years before 9/11. The second Gulf War was because we failed to have the courage to take care of business properly.

The second gulf war was because of "bad" intelligence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Invading them had everything to do with the weapons inspectors and intel that said they had wmds and we wanted them to get rid of it. Its all documented that after wards the US admitted the intel turned out to be bad. So the question is, was the bad intel intention from day one as an excuse to invade or did they really think that Iraq had WMD's. Since it was likely an excuse, was the president in on it or did others slip him bad intel, which is what he made his decisions to invade on.

helterskelter808 · 09-13-2011, 10:02 AM

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your an idiot

D'oh!

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Originally Posted by will76

South park did a really good episode illustrating this point.

These threads always truly amaze me at how many stupid people there are out there in this world.

Says the genius who forms his world view from a cartoon.

No, seriously,

.

bronco67 · 09-13-2011, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

I don't think anyone is debating the fact that the government took full advantage of what happened those days. (pearl harbour and 9/11) The difference is whether they are guilty of causing it or not. The problem with truthers logic is they take a little bit of truth eg. Reports that the US government were aware of an impending threat with al qaeda and they slip down the slope by interpreting that as "they planned for them to attack". When in reality they get warnings and threats on a daily basis, also homeland security at the time was dragging their feet because of poor communications and the fact they haven't been invaded since wwII.

People live for believing in the fantastical. We love our sci-fi, we love our X-files types of shows and movies and we want to believe our government or some form of super power has complete control over us because they are able to--we even find comfort in this for the most part. The reality is that the government is made up completely of people like us. They have bbq's, they watch too much tv, they cut themselves shaving, they eat taco bell. They aren't super heroes, they aren't evil geniuses and they are far from perfect--with that being true all these thick conspiracies start to seem more like fantasy than anything else.

When I say this I don't mean that they are completely incapable of covering something up, or doing something unethical, just that they are more often than not highly unlikely.

This pretty much sums it up.

Conspiracy nuts are taking basic complacency by the US government, and twisting it into something to make their depressing life more interesting.

johnny o · 09-13-2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

No, it did not spawn two wars. We invaded Afghanistan because of 9/11.

Iraq was invaded in 1991, years before 9/11. The second Gulf War was because we failed to have the courage to take care of business properly.

will you agree on 1.5 wars? lol. it was 2, ask the guys who were deployed.

scottybuzz · 09-13-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

No, it did not spawn two wars. We invaded Afghanistan because of 9/11.

Iraq was invaded in 1991, years before 9/11. The second Gulf War was because we failed to have the courage to take care of business properly.

so the second world war was really not a war because they failed to deal with Germany properly ~30 years earlier??

Rochard · 09-13-2011, 11:24 AM

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will you agree on 1.5 wars? lol. it was 2, ask the guys who were deployed.

I know hundreds of people who were deployed. The people in the shit are the last ones to ask about politics or the reasons they are deployed. It's the military - they do what their told and rarely see the larger picture.

We failed to finish the job properly in 1991 when we first went in. Our objective was to remove Iraq from Kuwait, when our goal should have been to remove the Iraqi government. You can debate the politics of the invasion, say the US government wanted to invaded Iraq again to remove it's government, and you can debate it was about WMD. But the truth was Iraq had been firing on our troops for the better part of ten years, and we needed to do something about it.

Rochard · 09-13-2011, 11:29 AM

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so the second world war was really not a war because they failed to deal with Germany properly ~30 years earlier??

Don't be a crack head.

At the close of WW1, the German military was shut down. They didn't continue to fire on France and the UK. WW2 started because Hitler re-armed it's military and then invaded Poland.

The war with Iraq never ended. It was a temporary ceasefire. But after a while Iraq shot at US planes on a daily basis, to the point where we were dropping bombs on a daily basis.

will76 · 09-13-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

D'oh!

Says the genius who forms his world view from a cartoon.

No, seriously,

.

retarded fuck, my world views were "formed" before watching south park. It just happens that episode was funny and spot on.

VikingMan · 09-13-2011, 12:30 PM

The "kooks" are the people who believe the official story.

Mutt, to answer your question as to why the people who realize that 9/11 was a false flag operation do not rise up and do something about it.....

1. Some of us don't give a flying fuck about the dumbed down fat lazy masses. Why would we stick out neck out for a bunch of turds who would be so dumb they would not even realize they need help? Not me that is for certain. All I care about is my family and making sure they prosper. Plus I think I have more in common with the people who are in power than the average fast food eating, TV addicted, fat, lazy, dumbed down Republican/Democrat voting turd. If I was sitting in a room full of FOX news viewers and there were a few CFR members mixed in I would gravitate to the CFR guys because at least I could have an intelligent conversation with them about world events instead of talking to a bunch of brainwashed automatons. There is little doubt in my mind why elites have such contempt for the average person walking down the street.

2. Many people realize the fight was lost decades ago. The people who were living 100 years ago had the opportunity to save the USA but they were just not sophisticated enough to even realize their federal government and financial systems were being taken over. The retard survivalists and revolutionaries who are now stocking up on guns thinking they are going to take their country back when the economy crashes are existing in a pipe dream. They will be rounded up and put in camps as they will not be part of the new system. Same thing happened in Russia 100 years ago and it will happen in the USA. The main difference is that this time is that the masses will waste their time and energy fighting each other thereby further weakening any potential resistance. Blacks, whites, mexicans, asians, etc will be fighting each other instead of the people who destroyed the USA. Classic divide and conquer

3. Most people are cowards. They do not want to be called "kooks" or "conspiracy nuts". These are people who have families they need to provide for and speaking out on this subject is often career and social suicide.

I no longer participate in arguing why 9/11 was a false flag. Rather I look to the future to make sure that my close friends and family are not caught up in any future attacks. What will the future attacks look like and where will they happen?

1. The next false flag or more likely series of false flags will not be on airplanes because the objective of demoralizing the masses and controlling air travel has been achieved. Most likely the next false flags will be on railways, buses, restaurants, malls, sporting events, places of worship, and places where lots of children congregate.

2. The patsies (low IQ people who have been ensnared/entrapped by various intelligence agencies and groups to act as a participant in terrorist activities) will be mostly US citizens. Of course some of them will be muslims but you will begin to see white guys being blamed as well. The people behind the false flags want the average citizen to think of the person who lives next door could be a terrorist so they can fully usher in the snitch society. You can already see this happening with the "if you see something say something" campaign that Homeland Security is spamming all over the place.

3. The false flags will be mostly car bombs/package bombs with some suicide bombers mixed in for extra terror.

4. People will be afraid to go out and shop, go to a football game, ride a bus. The sheep will welcome TSA stye molestation at every public event they attend and every form of public transportation.

5. The crashing economy will be blamed on these terrorists.

6. The internet will be blamed for allowing the terrorists a forum to recruit, spread their message of hate, and coordinate their attacks. So say goodbye to anons on the net. It's over. You can also expect the net to go down for periods of time.

7. The next false flags are most likely just around the corner. The average citizen turd has become too apathetic so they need to be recharged with some good old fashioned hatred and fear. Plus places like Iran and Syria need to be taken out. Look for any false flags to be connected to them in regards to providing funding and explosives. I really feel the false flags will be on US soil instead of on military targets such as aircraft carriers and foreign bases because the average USA turd is too apathetic and removed from reality that they don't give a damn about anything that does not affect their freedom to wolf down another load of poison from McDonalds or interrupt their sports channel. Humans have really devolved to a sickening state

How do I know all of this? All you have to do is listen to the propaganda and terror that is spewed to the masses on a daily basis. They tell you what is going to happen before it happens so you brain is properly programmed to act and believe a certain way.

So Mutt, I hope I answered your question. The fact is that the USA is finished. The economy will NEVER be the same as it was. The Bill of Rights and Constitution are distant memories. It is OVER. The only way to survive is to be good little citizens and accept whatever new system is presented to you after the economy crashes. Also it will help to have Homeland Security on speed dial and report your friends, family, co-workers, etc whenever they speak subversively. Become a world class snitch and your future will be secure. We might still be a year or two away from the economy crashing but I do feel we are on the verge (within the next several months) of some horrific false flags.

BTW, Steven Harper is every bit as dirty as Obama, Clinton, and Bush so I wold not feel removed from the situation if I was in Canada either.

VikingMan · 09-13-2011, 12:51 PM

You can also expect that thousands of "truthers" have been profiled and intelligence agencies are working with a handful of carefully picked specimens with low IQ to be set up as patsies for future false flags. So the media will repeat over and over and over that the terrorist believed in 9/11 truth so he built a bomb and blew up a federal building which housed a daycare center, sporting event, church, or shopping center to get attention for the cause. This will instantly make 99% of sheep not want be associated with 9/11 truth in any way. Goodbye 9/11 truth movement. Same thing happened to the militia movement with the Oklahoma City bombing and it was very effective. Problem solved.

Sly · 09-13-2011, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

so the second world war was really not a war because they failed to deal with Germany properly ~30 years earlier??

Actually that argument does have some merit.

I disagree with the Iraq War 2 theory though.

09-13-2011, 12:35 AM	#1
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	9/11 Conspiracy kooks ------> inside please I have a question for you. You're certain you and your fellow conspiracy kook interweb friends have exposed the truth about 9/11 - your own government committed unspeakable atrocities against its own people. And will do it again of course and this time it might be your city or somewhere you or your family are out and about. So the question is why aren't you defending yourselves and your family, why haven't you risen up and fought against those who may kill you? What are you waiting for? oh wait, you have a new TV season you don't want to miss and sitting on your asses on the interweb exposing 'the truth' is far more effective and noble and brave __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

09-13-2011, 01:12 AM	#4
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09-13-2011, 01:22 AM	#5
johnny o Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: los angeles Posts: 825	i'm not a "truther" but war is good business. 9-11 spawned TWO wars. look at pearl harbor, NO one in the country wanted to join WWII until that day. how better to "rally the troops". the assassination of JFK. (he didn't want to go into vietnam) lyndon johnson signed us up for war the night of nov 22. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...-vietnam-.html __________________ http://candydreams.com info[at]candydreams[dot]com

09-13-2011, 01:44 AM	#6
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09-13-2011, 02:28 AM	#8
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09-13-2011, 12:50 AM	#2
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09-13-2011, 04:34 AM	#10
nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	i dont know who is behind it, but i do know governments are the biggest liars and bullshitters in the world. Everyone with common sense knows this. So im baffled by the amount of people who completely believe them and call everyone who doubts the government a 'kook'. That's pretty short sighted in my opinion.

09-13-2011, 05:57 AM	#14
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	stop the ridiculous presumption that anybody who refers to you as 'conspiracy kooks' is naive and trusts the government, the military, the bankers and corporations. we know they are capable of lying and all sorts of evil greedy things. there are conspiracies that have been proven as fact and they weren't proven as fact by self published nutjobs and internet clowns. when you spin your cockeyed conspiracy theories and fantasies please put forth evidence to back them up by credible sources - academics at respected universities with no reputation for kookiness, journalists for respected newspaper and journals who have no reputation for kookiness, experts from various industries who have years of experience and respect from within their fields with no reputation for kookiness. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

09-13-2011, 06:20 AM	#18
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09-13-2011, 06:30 AM	#20
scottybuzz Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY Posts: 14,800	I am happy enough to listen to the arguments and reasoning. what i fucking hate is when people say things that they have no evidence for or any sort of link or proof. oh this was found at crash site a, this was found at crash site b. !!! must be an inside job. or they point to some video on youtube made by nobody pointing to grainy items on a video. and these turn into bushfire rumours that are simply going to spread across the web when probably it did not happen. why do people ignore osama bin laden? he did attacks before and attacks after (or were they staged too, just to give 9/11 more credibility??? LOL. were the attacks in africa done by al queda or by the US governemnt?). he admitted the attacks, there was reason for the attacks. I mean if you were religious, you might too be a bit pissed off that a foreign army was on your sacred land no?? get some fresh air, take a look around and you will see plenty of people pissed off with the USA who would love to attack the country. But no that doens't make sense that an a pissed off terrorist group would attack buildings, far more sense that a government would do it. the same government who made a major fuck up by not finding WMD when attacking Iraq but who can pull off an immaculate plan of killing thousands of it's own citizens. 9/11 or not. usa would have gone to war with iraq. heck i dont even know what I am saying, now i sound crazy for arguing with the crazies. i need some fresh air. __________________ $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$ Last edited by scottybuzz; 09-13-2011 at 06:33 AM..

09-13-2011, 06:51 AM	#23
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	I don't think the gov pulled an inside job on 9-11, but I don't believe the official story. However, the gov has done horrible things in the past (and present) and false flags are not uncommon, so I have to think that anything is possible, regardless of what I think or anyone else. In the grand scheme of things, there is no telling what is going on above our heads and the atrocities even the most civilized governments may be committing. In regards to why haven't I done something about it, I have. I move out and relocated to a place where I can be mostly left alone and don't have to be bothered by such shenanigans. Whatever happens back in the USA is not my problem anymore.

09-13-2011, 06:59 AM	#26
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 93,437	How lame is to call yourself "truther"?? __________________ "Tjeezers.cam wishes you a nice day”

09-13-2011, 07:03 AM	#27
ilnjscb Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 8,860	Nice - attack with generalization and petty insults instead of facts. What a way to advance your case! Whatever caused that tragedy, which I witnessed in person, there are numerous unanswered questions. Asking questions is usually how you get answers to them. People who don't want ANY questions and use pre-emptive childish insults don't get to the truth. Why wouldn't we want the absolute truth, and why couldn't the truth withstand a robust challenge? Mathematicians challenge accepted dogma all the time as a matter of course; without that, there would be no advancement. At any time in history, there have been beliefs that were completely false that have been generally accepted. The people who challenged those beliefs were of course called names and ostracized (think Louis Pasteur) but in the end many of them are heroes. You don't know any more than anyone else what really happened, and you aren't even vaguely an authority on any of the issues surrounding 9/11. It is fine for you to accept what you are told, many do, but allow another person to have the courage to form their own beliefs.

09-13-2011, 07:26 AM	#32
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	I am not a conspiracy theorist but the only thing that really bugs me is that 50 years ago, the government would of had no problems doing that to its citizens (think cuba missle crisis). are things really that different today? i would hope so. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

09-13-2011, 08:10 AM	#37
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09-13-2011, 08:42 AM	#39
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 30,989	i sure hope ur not trying to encourage an uprising

09-13-2011, 12:30 PM	#48
VikingMan Exploiting human weakness Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: next to a salmon stream Posts: 6,513	The "kooks" are the people who believe the official story. Mutt, to answer your question as to why the people who realize that 9/11 was a false flag operation do not rise up and do something about it..... 1. Some of us don't give a flying fuck about the dumbed down fat lazy masses. Why would we stick out neck out for a bunch of turds who would be so dumb they would not even realize they need help? Not me that is for certain. All I care about is my family and making sure they prosper. Plus I think I have more in common with the people who are in power than the average fast food eating, TV addicted, fat, lazy, dumbed down Republican/Democrat voting turd. If I was sitting in a room full of FOX news viewers and there were a few CFR members mixed in I would gravitate to the CFR guys because at least I could have an intelligent conversation with them about world events instead of talking to a bunch of brainwashed automatons. There is little doubt in my mind why elites have such contempt for the average person walking down the street. 2. Many people realize the fight was lost decades ago. The people who were living 100 years ago had the opportunity to save the USA but they were just not sophisticated enough to even realize their federal government and financial systems were being taken over. The retard survivalists and revolutionaries who are now stocking up on guns thinking they are going to take their country back when the economy crashes are existing in a pipe dream. They will be rounded up and put in camps as they will not be part of the new system. Same thing happened in Russia 100 years ago and it will happen in the USA. The main difference is that this time is that the masses will waste their time and energy fighting each other thereby further weakening any potential resistance. Blacks, whites, mexicans, asians, etc will be fighting each other instead of the people who destroyed the USA. Classic divide and conquer 3. Most people are cowards. They do not want to be called "kooks" or "conspiracy nuts". These are people who have families they need to provide for and speaking out on this subject is often career and social suicide. I no longer participate in arguing why 9/11 was a false flag. Rather I look to the future to make sure that my close friends and family are not caught up in any future attacks. What will the future attacks look like and where will they happen? 1. The next false flag or more likely series of false flags will not be on airplanes because the objective of demoralizing the masses and controlling air travel has been achieved. Most likely the next false flags will be on railways, buses, restaurants, malls, sporting events, places of worship, and places where lots of children congregate. 2. The patsies (low IQ people who have been ensnared/entrapped by various intelligence agencies and groups to act as a participant in terrorist activities) will be mostly US citizens. Of course some of them will be muslims but you will begin to see white guys being blamed as well. The people behind the false flags want the average citizen to think of the person who lives next door could be a terrorist so they can fully usher in the snitch society. You can already see this happening with the "if you see something say something" campaign that Homeland Security is spamming all over the place. 3. The false flags will be mostly car bombs/package bombs with some suicide bombers mixed in for extra terror. 4. People will be afraid to go out and shop, go to a football game, ride a bus. The sheep will welcome TSA stye molestation at every public event they attend and every form of public transportation. 5. The crashing economy will be blamed on these terrorists. 6. The internet will be blamed for allowing the terrorists a forum to recruit, spread their message of hate, and coordinate their attacks. So say goodbye to anons on the net. It's over. You can also expect the net to go down for periods of time. 7. The next false flags are most likely just around the corner. The average citizen turd has become too apathetic so they need to be recharged with some good old fashioned hatred and fear. Plus places like Iran and Syria need to be taken out. Look for any false flags to be connected to them in regards to providing funding and explosives. I really feel the false flags will be on US soil instead of on military targets such as aircraft carriers and foreign bases because the average USA turd is too apathetic and removed from reality that they don't give a damn about anything that does not affect their freedom to wolf down another load of poison from McDonalds or interrupt their sports channel. Humans have really devolved to a sickening state How do I know all of this? All you have to do is listen to the propaganda and terror that is spewed to the masses on a daily basis. They tell you what is going to happen before it happens so you brain is properly programmed to act and believe a certain way. So Mutt, I hope I answered your question. The fact is that the USA is finished. The economy will NEVER be the same as it was. The Bill of Rights and Constitution are distant memories. It is OVER. The only way to survive is to be good little citizens and accept whatever new system is presented to you after the economy crashes. Also it will help to have Homeland Security on speed dial and report your friends, family, co-workers, etc whenever they speak subversively. Become a world class snitch and your future will be secure. We might still be a year or two away from the economy crashing but I do feel we are on the verge (within the next several months) of some horrific false flags. BTW, Steven Harper is every bit as dirty as Obama, Clinton, and Bush so I wold not feel removed from the situation if I was in Canada either.

09-13-2011, 12:51 PM	#49
VikingMan Exploiting human weakness Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: next to a salmon stream Posts: 6,513	You can also expect that thousands of "truthers" have been profiled and intelligence agencies are working with a handful of carefully picked specimens with low IQ to be set up as patsies for future false flags. So the media will repeat over and over and over that the terrorist believed in 9/11 truth so he built a bomb and blew up a federal building which housed a daycare center, sporting event, church, or shopping center to get attention for the cause. This will instantly make 99% of sheep not want be associated with 9/11 truth in any way. Goodbye 9/11 truth movement. Same thing happened to the militia movement with the Oklahoma City bombing and it was very effective. Problem solved. Last edited by VikingMan; 09-13-2011 at 01:00 PM..