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Originally Posted by PR_Glen
I don't think anyone is debating the fact that the government took full advantage of what happened those days. (pearl harbour and 9/11) The difference is whether they are guilty of causing it or not. The problem with truthers logic is they take a little bit of truth eg. Reports that the US government were aware of an impending threat with al qaeda and they slip down the slope by interpreting that as "they planned for them to attack". When in reality they get warnings and threats on a daily basis, also homeland security at the time was dragging their feet because of poor communications and the fact they haven't been invaded since wwII.
People live for believing in the fantastical. We love our sci-fi, we love our X-files types of shows and movies and we want to believe our government or some form of super power has complete control over us because they are able to--we even find comfort in this for the most part. The reality is that the government is made up completely of people like us. They have bbq's, they watch too much tv, they cut themselves shaving, they eat taco bell. They aren't super heroes, they aren't evil geniuses and they are far from perfect--with that being true all these thick conspiracies start to seem more like fantasy than anything else.
When I say this I don't mean that they are completely incapable of covering something up, or doing something unethical, just that they are more often than not highly unlikely.
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Correct some people want to believe the govt is in complete control and had to know about the attacks and let them happen because after all they are big bad brother and they know everything. The reality, like you said, is that govt is a cluster fuck and unfortunately some of them were inept and didn't do a good enough job to prevent this from happening.
At the same time I think the govt kind of likes the conspiracy theories because to some extent they would rather people think they are in 100% control vs a bunch of idiots who really couldn't stop these events from happening.
South park did a really good episode illustrating this point.
These threads always truly amaze me at how many stupid people there are out there in this world. They also sadden me at how many truly stupid there out there in this world, so that and the fact that you can't argue with a truly stupid person is reason why I stay away from most threads like this.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
No, it did not spawn two wars. We invaded Afghanistan because of 9/11.
Iraq was invaded in 1991, years before 9/11. The second Gulf War was because we failed to have the courage to take care of business properly.
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The second gulf war was because of "bad" intelligence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Invading them had everything to do with the weapons inspectors and intel that said they had wmds and we wanted them to get rid of it. Its all documented that after wards the US admitted the intel turned out to be bad. So the question is, was the bad intel intention from day one as an excuse to invade or did they really think that Iraq had WMD's. Since it was likely an excuse, was the president in on it or did others slip him bad intel, which is what he made his decisions to invade on.