If your e-cig sucks.. Get this.. (You'll never smoke again)

[MrMaxwell]

The regular e-cigs don't do shit for me, and apparently a lot of people try them and just give up on them because they suck.. I was vaping 5v devices for awhile and it's pretty good.... but stop fucking around and get this:

You'll get huge clouds of vapor and as much nicotine as you can handle..

Everything you need for 7.4v vaping:

http://www.madvapes.com/Maxi-RoughStack-V2_p_2996.html

http://www.supertmanufacturing.com/id75.html (Get at least two 16340s - AW IMR)

http://www.madvapes.com/TrustFire-TR...er_p_2474.html

http://www.madvapes.com/Smok-Tech-25...er_p_3575.html (They're disposable.. get several...)

If you want real cigarette taste
Tobacco Absolute: http://shop.bluemistvaping.com/index...roducts_ id=7

Real Menthol: http://shop.bluemistvaping.com/index...ducts_ id=270

Blue mist juice is very inexpensive and really very good ... try the Robacco and Hypermint

This will blow to piss and hell anything you've ever tried
You can draw for under a second and get a good hit / a lot of vapor

For a little more than you pay for a carton you get everything and then the juice it costs maybe $20/mo even if you use it all of the time ... just cut the juice down to a lower nicotine level with this thing or you'll overdose on nicotine (it's that good)

Don't use lithium ion batteries, lipo or non rechargables ... they can be dangerous .. If you insist on it, be sure that your mod is well vented!! The AW IMR batteries are made for high drain devices (unlike Xfires) and are a safer chemistry battery.. Limn.. They have all of the characteristics of lithium ion but they're far far safer. The only disadvantage they have is that they weigh 5% more (they're still very very light).

I'm not affiliated with any of those companies in any way .... just want to turn people onto vaping .. please tell your friends .. enjoy

[MrMaxwell]

I ordered all of this on the 10th and got it all on the 12th .. They ship fast as hell .. two of three orders were standard first class shipping. There's a AA sized 14500 battery in the picture so you can get an idea of the size:

[Spunky]

Bah,no ship to Canada.looks like a slick set up

[MrMaxwell]

Video

[Wizzo]

After almost 30years of being a hardcore smoker I've been using these for the last 19days and hasn't be bad at all...

[ShoeBox]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

After almost 30years of being a hardcore smoker I've been using these for the last 19days and hasn't be bad at all...

yeah the patch has worked for me also when i was in the hospital was doing good with the patch but of course when i got out i needed that first smoke, how many losanges do you take per day?

[SiMpLe]

This does work - I carry 2 with me, haven't smoked a full pack of cigs in over a month and I was a pack a day smoker for about 20 years

I use an EGO T 650 or 1100 (bought an extra bigger battery) with a Tank for my main and a Halo G6 as my back up for running around public places, bars / clubs / dinners etc. Both have great throat hit and huge amounts of vapor that satisfy me. Smoking analog cigs is in the past and I feel 500% better just after a month!

Both starter kits above... $65 or lower - Google it if you want to try

[just a punk]

I don't understand all these things... Stopped smoking without any chemical shit (was smoking since 16).

[DWB]

Curious, why did all of you start smoking in the first place?

[Spunky]

Originally Posted by DWB

Curious, why did all of you start smoking in the first place?

Peer pressure.I've smoked for over 30 years.tried to quit a few times.one of the hardest things to quit

[Jel]

what spunky said I was a bigger cunt than most in actual fact, I didn't start smoking properly until I was 16 - 17, by which time I shoulda grown out of the whole peer pressure thing. C'est la vie.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by ShoeBox

yeah the patch has worked for me also when i was in the hospital was doing good with the patch but of course when i got out i needed that first smoke, how many losanges do you take per day?

LOL that happens every time I'm in the hospital for more than 5 days... I don't even use the patch... I'm so doped up I don't crave cigs.

The first 72 hours are what kill me when trying to quit and after that I don't need a cigarette.

Every time I'm in the hospital I say this is it, I'm done.

I get released and light up... hate that first cigarette but then crave another an hour later.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by ShoeBox

yeah the patch has worked for me also when i was in the hospital was doing good with the patch but of course when i got out i needed that first smoke, how many losanges do you take per day?

I'm down to 4 or 5 now, was at 10-12 the 1st couple of days. The thing I like over the patch which just gives you a steady doze of nicotine, I only use these when the urge hits.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by DWB

Curious, why did all of you start smoking in the first place?

Because it was "cool" not so much now...

[Jel]

Ah c'mon, it's still cool

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by epitome

LOL that happens every time I'm in the hospital for more than 5 days... I don't even use the patch... I'm so doped up I don't crave cigs.

The first 72 hours are what kill me when trying to quit and after that I don't need a cigarette.

Every time I'm in the hospital I say this is it, I'm done.

I get released and light up... hate that first cigarette but then crave another an hour later.

It's the first one. Many people they're off for a year, two or even twenty and then they smoke one that one day .... and blam .. smoking again

[RazorSharpe]

This is my setup: (note the image isn't mine)
I use a Provari with a clockworks RTA (Rebuildable Tank Atomiser).
I was buying my e-liquid from a place in the UK but found Gourmet Vapor which is a US based vendor and REALLY liked some of their stuff so I order from them all the time now.

[glowlite]

Is that prescription or off the shelf?

Originally Posted by Wizzo

After almost 30years of being a hardcore smoker I've been using these for the last 19days and hasn't be bad at all...

[BV]

Originally Posted by glowlite

Is that prescription or off the shelf?

all that stuff is over the counter now

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

This is my setup: (note the image isn't mine)
I use a Provari with a clockworks RTA (Rebuildable Tank Atomiser).
I was buying my e-liquid from a place in the UK but found Gourmet Vapor which is a US based vendor and REALLY liked some of their stuff so I order from them all the time now.

I like the button on the side ... not my color .. but very very nicely made, nonetheless

[ShoeBox]

Mr Maxwell isn't this thread about stopping whats the point of buying that if your just going to be using that all the time in place of your smoke?

[blonda80]

so glade i quit smoking!!!!

[marlboroack]

Yeah. I just smoke Meth.

[seeme]

Originally Posted by DWB

Curious, why did all of you start smoking in the first place?

Used to smoke weed everyday, had to replace it with fags.

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

This is my setup: (note the image isn't mine)
I use a Provari with a clockworks RTA (Rebuildable Tank Atomiser).
I was buying my e-liquid from a place in the UK but found Gourmet Vapor which is a US based vendor and REALLY liked some of their stuff so I order from them all the time now.

Where'd you get the clockwork RTA?

Originally Posted by ShoeBox

Mr Maxwell isn't this thread about stopping whats the point of buying that if your just going to be using that all the time in place of your smoke?

Because nicotine in and of itself - while it is a classified as a poison because too much can kill you quickly - has very low health risk. Yes, nicotine is a diuretic, suppresses appetite and can increase blood pressure, but it's not something that will kill you.

The danger from smoking comes from 2 things. The smoke itself which contains tar and such, and all the other 50,000 chemicals they add to cigarettes.

E-Cigs on the other hand contain no - or so minute that they're considered harmless - carcinogens, no added chemicals, no smoke - it's vapor, think of steam coming off a pot of boiling water - etc. The only chemicals in general are nicotine, vegetable glycerin, propelyne glycol, water/vodka, and flavoring. Now, some flavorings can be dangerous, and generally speaking I recommend LorAnn flavorings which are mostly all safe - except for anything containing oil - and the e-cig community can help point you to many other brands of flavoring that are safe.

A little history regarding the e-cig... the FDA has been trying extremely hard to ban them. This is only due to the fact that they cannot classify them as medical devices - which would allow them to tax them under big pharm like the patches and such are - and they cannot be classified as tobacco products because they contain no tobacco. This basically means that both big tobacco and big pharm companies lose out, as does the FDA/US gov. And as history has proven, if they can't find a way to tax it, they don't want you to have it. Same situation applies to online gambling... there's no way for them to reliably tax your earnings, and therefore it is illegal.

Anyway, smoking is absolutely the hardest bad habit to kick, for many people. This is mainly due to the fact that big tobacco companies essentially lace cigarettes with endless other chemicals; and many, many of those chemicals are addictive themselves. And while the average person may kind of sort of know this, they really don't. The average smoker believes themselves to be addicted to the nicotine, when in reality - while nicotine is addictive - they are addicted to countless chemicals. Which is why it's so hard to quit.

[Chosen]

Never started

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Where'd you get the clockwork RTA?



Because nicotine in and of itself - while it is a classified as a poison because too much can kill you quickly - has very low health risk. Yes, nicotine is a diuretic, suppresses appetite and can increase blood pressure, but it's not something that will kill you.

The danger from smoking comes from 2 things. The smoke itself which contains tar and such, and all the other 50,000 chemicals they add to cigarettes.

E-Cigs on the other hand contain no - or so minute that they're considered harmless - carcinogens, no added chemicals, no smoke - it's vapor, think of steam coming off a pot of boiling water - etc. The only chemicals in general are nicotine, vegetable glycerin, propelyne glycol, water/vodka, and flavoring. Now, some flavorings can be dangerous, and generally speaking I recommend LorAnn flavorings which are mostly all safe - except for anything containing oil - and the e-cig community can help point you to many other brands of flavoring that are safe.

A little history regarding the e-cig... the FDA has been trying extremely hard to ban them. This is only due to the fact that they cannot classify them as medical devices - which would allow them to tax them under big pharm like the patches and such are - and they cannot be classified as tobacco products because they contain no tobacco. This basically means that both big tobacco and big pharm companies lose out, as does the FDA/US gov. And as history has proven, if they can't find a way to tax it, they don't want you to have it. Same situation applies to online gambling... there's no way for them to reliably tax your earnings, and therefore it is illegal.

Anyway, smoking is absolutely the hardest bad habit to kick, for many people. This is mainly due to the fact that big tobacco companies essentially lace cigarettes with endless other chemicals; and many, many of those chemicals are addictive themselves. And while the average person may kind of sort of know this, they really don't. The average smoker believes themselves to be addicted to the nicotine, when in reality - while nicotine is addictive - they are addicted to countless chemicals. Which is why it's so hard to quit.

Exactly right, and they have something like an 80% success rate. The gum, the patch and the other replacement therapies have no better success rate than not using anything, in other words they don't help at all.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by ShoeBox

Mr Maxwell isn't this thread about stopping whats the point of buying that if your just going to be using that all the time in place of your smoke?

This videos shows how cigarettes are made, what they add to them.. If you're impatient go to 7:40 to understand exactly why vaporizing is better for you than vaping.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Exactly right, and they have something like an 80% success rate. The gum, the patch and the other replacement therapies have no better success rate than not using anything, in other words they don't help at all.

All that shit has a 95% failure rate.. patch, gum, etc and government approved literature tells people that they can "step down" (stepping down actually makes withdrawl long and horrible) and that a "slip" is okay (with nicotine even one use can put most people back to square one- even years after they've used)... if you want to quit nicotine, you have the best shot at it going cold turkey.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Where'd you get the clockwork RTA?



Because nicotine in and of itself - while it is a classified as a poison because too much can kill you quickly - has very low health risk. Yes, nicotine is a diuretic, suppresses appetite and can increase blood pressure, but it's not something that will kill you.

The danger from smoking comes from 2 things. The smoke itself which contains tar and such, and all the other 50,000 chemicals they add to cigarettes.

E-Cigs on the other hand contain no - or so minute that they're considered harmless - carcinogens, no added chemicals, no smoke - it's vapor, think of steam coming off a pot of boiling water - etc. The only chemicals in general are nicotine, vegetable glycerin, propelyne glycol, water/vodka, and flavoring. Now, some flavorings can be dangerous, and generally speaking I recommend LorAnn flavorings which are mostly all safe - except for anything containing oil - and the e-cig community can help point you to many other brands of flavoring that are safe.

A little history regarding the e-cig... the FDA has been trying extremely hard to ban them. This is only due to the fact that they cannot classify them as medical devices - which would allow them to tax them under big pharm like the patches and such are - and they cannot be classified as tobacco products because they contain no tobacco. This basically means that both big tobacco and big pharm companies lose out, as does the FDA/US gov. And as history has proven, if they can't find a way to tax it, they don't want you to have it. Same situation applies to online gambling... there's no way for them to reliably tax your earnings, and therefore it is illegal.

Anyway, smoking is absolutely the hardest bad habit to kick, for many people. This is mainly due to the fact that big tobacco companies essentially lace cigarettes with endless other chemicals; and many, many of those chemicals are addictive themselves. And while the average person may kind of sort of know this, they really don't. The average smoker believes themselves to be addicted to the nicotine, when in reality - while nicotine is addictive - they are addicted to countless chemicals. Which is why it's so hard to quit.

Well, most people can go from cigarettes to vaping without any withdrawl.. I'm one.. even though I smoked Newports and had horrible horrible withdrawl when I didn't smoke..

There's a detox period where your body is getting clean of all of the cigarette chemicals, so it definitely feels "different" at first .... for sure

Also there are some people who are thought to also be addicted to some other things in cigarettes... like some of the mild maois... they make a liquid for those people it's called "whole tobacco alkaloid" or "wta" e-juice

I agree 100% about the government. The FDA is in bed with big tobacco. People don't realize what a HUGE and STEADY source of revenue tobacco taxes are.. it's obscenely huge.

Cigarettes have hundreds of times the FDA set "acceptable safe level" of many many chemicals.... yet they want to go after e-cigs producing water vapor. They tried to say they had the same thing antifreeze has in it (while it's actually the same thing that's in asthma inhalers- pg), tried to say they were being marketed to kids, on and on .... all bullshit nonsense ..

Then out of 100 juices you can buy they found some trace amounts of a carcinogen in ONE of them and tried to use that to scare everyone. . I thought it was funny, because they found parts per million and yet every cigarette has 1000 times the amount of the same thing they found .. motherfuckers

[MrMaxwell]

For understanding the nicotine addiction- this guy is the man
http://whyquit.com/
Some people don't like him but fuck them he's a genius

Anyone who smokes should seek to 3:10 to find out why they've smoked for so long. Nicotine is a shell game. It doesn't relieve stress, at all, it causes it. During stressful situations your body uses nicotine very fast and you go into withdrawl pretty much right away... then you smoke.. ahhhh I feel better... but not about whatever had you stressed, about not being extra stressed with withdrawl on top of it

Ah

Anyway - sorry for rambling
I'm talkative, today

This video also explains why people smoke so much when they drink

[Spunky]

I bought a cheaper kit off a local guy who makes e liquid too.It's been a week without a cigarette,I'm still getting the nicotine and it feels the same to me. so far so good,the test will come after I have a few beers

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by Spunky

I bought a cheaper kit off a local guy who makes e liquid too.It's been a week without a cigarette,I'm still getting the nicotine and it feels the same to me. so far so good,the test will come after I have a few beers

Good work - most people seem to spend a fortune on one that sucks and then never try one again. You're ahead of the thing, there

[cashbizdude]

Originally Posted by DWB

Curious, why did all of you start smoking in the first place?

I worked at a really shitty restaurant when I was a teenager. My boss wouldn't let anyone but smokers take breaks. So I started smoking just to be able to sit outside for seven minutes.

[GonZo]

Enjoying reading all the ecig hype when it was just a few years ago everyone was saying how they sucked hahahaha or there was no money in them.

You guys are late to the dance.

[Pandoras]

I must quit

[SiMpLe]

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

This is my setup: (note the image isn't mine)
I use a Provari with a clockworks RTA (Rebuildable Tank Atomiser).
I was buying my e-liquid from a place in the UK but found Gourmet Vapor which is a US based vendor and REALLY liked some of their stuff so I order from them all the time now.

Here's my eGo - I want to get the Provari next, its like the BMW of set ups lol

[RazorSharpe]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Where'd you get the clockwork RTA?

Look for a chap with username clockworks on the ecforum
I'm not sure how active he is there but he was very active on the ukvapers.com forum which has shut down in the last week.

[MrMaxwell]

I really like some of these..
If I could afford it I'd have him make a naked woman shaped one for me
Because I love naked women

But this is pretty amazing that something is still hand made these days

https://www.facebook.com/GepettoBoxMod

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...-mod-sale.html

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

I really like some of these..
If I could afford it I'd have him make a naked woman shaped one for me
Because I love naked women

But this is pretty amazing that something is still hand made these days

https://www.facebook.com/GepettoBoxMod

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...-mod-sale.html

Yeah, wood is so much easier to work with. I've spent quite a lot of time looking for the perfect 'box' and still have yet to find it. I ended up buying an oval v6 because that box looks pretty good.. but the internal components are horrible and are very finicky with what atomizers you can use with it. Not to mention it uses the small CR123 or w/e batteries; so I ended up cutting the box in half and extended it with epoxy so my 2600mAh 18650's will fit in it. Sanded it out real good and put a few coats of metallic black spray paint on it and it looks pretty nice. I'm waiting for my VV parts to arrive from madvapes, which will hopefully be here tomorrow, then I'll get it assembled. 5v vaping on 2x 2600mAh 18650's should be quite nice.

Nonetheless, the possibilities are pretty endless if I go the wooden box route. Time to do some research ><

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Yeah, wood is so much easier to work with. I've spent quite a lot of time looking for the perfect 'box' and still have yet to find it. I ended up buying an oval v6 because that box looks pretty good.. but the internal components are horrible and are very finicky with what atomizers you can use with it. Not to mention it uses the small CR123 or w/e batteries; so I ended up cutting the box in half and extended it with epoxy so my 2600mAh 18650's will fit in it. Sanded it out real good and put a few coats of metallic black spray paint on it and it looks pretty nice. I'm waiting for my VV parts to arrive from madvapes, which will hopefully be here tomorrow, then I'll get it assembled. 5v vaping on 2x 2600mAh 18650's should be quite nice.

Nonetheless, the possibilities are pretty endless if I go the wooden box route. Time to do some research ><

Are you using tenergy or Xfire or what??

I swear by these AW IMR batteries http://www.supertmanufacturing.com/id75.html

Their 18650 is only rated 1600mah but they're made for higher amperage draw....

As an example, in my 5v box mod (also from mv) I had always used 14500 Xfires (trust, ultra) and they were rated 900mah ... I got the AW IMRs and even though they're only 550mah I noticed they last a lot longer AND everything hits A LOT harder on them ..... Not only do they last longer between charges, but overall .. I bought 4 AW and months and months later I still have two that won't die

If you haven't tried IMRs, do it.. it's an amazing difference. I'm no electrical engineer over here but apparently (at least in the 14500s) the Xfires everyone is using just aren't made to take a high current draw all of the time.

That said, I suspect that 18650s are a different animal.. They're a lot biiger?? Right?? So maybe even Xfires are good enough in 18650s? I'd still say that if you want them to perform the same.. consistently.. all of the time.. --- definitely try the IMRs

AW definitely makes safer batteries. They're limn and I think they buy them from panasonic and will only take cells that meet certain standards. And then they test them again, I think...

I've just got two IMR 16340s stacked (7.4v) with a dual 3ohm carto over here and it seems to last all day on one charge(hasn't gone dead yet).. I think because it's just down and dirty without any regulators or other shit, you know?

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

Are you using tenergy or Xfire or what??

I swear by these AW IMR batteries http://www.supertmanufacturing.com/id75.html

Their 18650 is only rated 1600mah but they're made for higher amperage draw....

As an example, in my 5v box mod (also from mv) I had always used 14500 Xfires (trust, ultra) and they were rated 900mah ... I got the AW IMRs and even though they're only 550mah I noticed they last a lot longer AND everything hits A LOT harder on them ..... Not only do they last longer between charges, but overall .. I bought 4 AW and months and months later I still have two that won't die

If you haven't tried IMRs, do it.. it's an amazing difference. I'm no electrical engineer over here but apparently (at least in the 14500s) the Xfires everyone is using just aren't made to take a high current draw all of the time.

That said, I suspect that 18650s are a different animal.. They're a lot biiger?? Right?? So maybe even Xfires are good enough in 18650s? I'd still say that if you want them to perform the same.. consistently.. all of the time.. --- definitely try the IMRs

AW definitely makes safer batteries. They're limn and I think they buy them from panasonic and will only take cells that meet certain standards. And then they test them again, I think...

I've just got two IMR 16340s stacked (7.4v) with a dual 3ohm carto over here and it seems to last all day on one charge(hasn't gone dead yet).. I think because it's just down and dirty without any regulators or other shit, you know?

These are the 18650's I have: http://www.healthcabin.net/index.php...oducts_id=8005

Also, no engineer here either but I'm pretty sure what you're referring to is the amperage rating. For instance, 2 identical batteries (14500 for instance) made by 2 different companies. Both batteries have the same 3.0-4.2v output rating (usually ~3.7v). Battery A however has a 3amp output rating while battery B only has a 1.5amp output rating. So of those 2 batteries, battery A will provide a better vaping experience due to the higher amperage rating.

At any rate, I've long since been past the point of buying 'off the shelf' e-cigs and pretty much work on my own. While waiting for my VV components to arrive I made a mod similar to the rough stack, but it's a hair too short for my 2 CR123a's, but fits my 18650 just barely. Only problem is I only have 1 atty that works well with it as the dual coil cartos don't get enough power from just 3.7v...

7.4v is a bit too much for me anyway, 5v is my sweet spot on the DCT tank w/ 2ohm dual coil carto's... just need to wait for my VV components package to arrive.

Also, I should note that I'm more of a box fan than a tube fan.. so long as the box is sort of stylish, which is why I'm going to try making a wooden one I can carve myself.

[MrMaxwell]

Well you definitely don't have to be so worried about battery safety with a box mod.. that's a good thing. I still wouldn't want to have batteries vent anywhere near me because I've heard that breathing the fumes can FUCK you up. . I pretty much stay away from lithium ions since the imrs seem to work so much better for me, anyway, you know?

5v seems a little weak for me but 7.4 does seem to burn off a lot of the flavor, too.. Apparently I can use this roughstack v2 around 6v (stacking two 3.2s) with two "lifepo4" batteries if I get a new charger..

I'm happy if I get my fix though so fuck it.. lol

Yes I definitely meant the amperage rating but I thought it was called something else.. C rating or some shit? I doubt it's a problem with your 18650s but I know for sure that the 14500 Xfire and etc lion batteries are way all the hell overstressed in a 5v box

[Markul]

All you need to stop is Nic-O-Dick:
https://youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=1aFji7aJP7o

[MrMaxwell]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...-question.html

According to this guy:

The critical factor for ecig mod use is the C rating (discharge current) in amps. The minimum possible value for safe and effective ecig use is 1 amp (= 1000mA) although ideally it needs to be higher. The ideal rating is 2 amps (2000mA) or better as an atomizer usually draws 1A to 2A.

1.5C for ultra/sure/trust/-fire Li-ion
8C for AW 14500 and 16340 IMR (Li-Mn)
10C for AW 18650 IMR (Li-Mn)

Max drain rate in amps is C in mAh / 1000 x C rating
Example: an AW IMR Li-Mn 14500 battery has a capacity of 600mAh. The C rating is 8C (it can supply 8 times the capacity). Therefore the max discharge current in amps is:
600 x 8 over 1000 (600 multiplied by 8 divided by 1000)
= 4800 / 1000
= 4.8 amps

I had no idea a single IMR 14500 was rated for ALMOST FIVE AMPS.. Jesus on the moon.. that means that the IMR 14500 is actually rated what almost 25% higher than generic 18650s (I get 3.9A if I did the math right .. 2600x1.5C rating/1000=3.9).... that's surprising as hell, to me, that any 14500 would be rated as high or higher than any 18650

[CaptainHowdy]

Man up and quit already ...

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by Markul

All you need to stop is Nic-O-Dick:
https://youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=1aFji7aJP7o

I love that program... it makes me laugh my balls off
The one about smoking with dinosaurs, that's the one.. and the one about being stranded and eating each other ... and the one about the graveyard .. classics, for sure

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Man up and quit already ...

I'm in enough trouble as it is

[Chris]

I want to get my mom a setup but all thi stuff looks insanely confusing lol

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by Chris

I want to get my mom a setup but all thi stuff looks insanely confusing lol

It ain't.. at all
It does look that way at first

Just

1. Don't buy one of those overpriced mini kits
2. Get something that doesn't suck