Internet Freedom

[BFT3K]

Sign it, or lose it...

http://americancensorship.org/

[wehateporn]

Bump for this, though I think they'll get what they want eventually, we need to put up as much of a fight as is possible

[SmutHammer]

If a website has copywritten content online without proper permisions, they should be punished and shut down. Anyone who has user uploads should be responsible for checking everything before it goes online. Let's just hope the bill passes!

there is already a 10 page thread for this, just let this one die...

oh, and notice all the pirating sites listed that support removing this bill, it's a joke.... TorrentFreak is right on the main page....

Cross your fingers if this bill passes America's economy will sky rocket!

[BFT3K]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technolo...et-censorship/

[Robbie]

Sorry..but I'm FOR this bill.

We all policed our sites and made sure that there was nothing illegal on them from day one. Now...suddenly it's not the owner's responsibility to do so anymore?

Bullshit. There WAS a reason we were WEBMASTERS. The pathetic horseshit that goes on today is nothing more than automated scripts doing everything while the supposed "webmaster" couldn't actually run a website to save his soul.

On my tube sites I have to go to the "Approval" que for every damn video. It takes a few minutes to get rid of the stuff that shouldn't be there.
I've never lost one bit of "freedom" that way.

As far as "Facebook" and others go? They didn't even exist a few years ago. I was just as "free" then as I am now.

And I can flat out tell you that YES FaceBook DOES police the hell out of it's site. Just ask anybody who tries to put up porn on there and they'll tell you real quick that their profile was deleted.

Fuck pirates. I'm all for going nuclear on them now. I'm still gonna be just as "free" with or without "user upload" (translated: stolen content)

[BFT3K]

I'm against pirated shit too.

I also HATE tubes, and have since day fucking ONE!

Problem is, this bill is overreaching. It will ultimately hand control of the internet over to the 6 media companies that already control 99% of "news" that is already spun for us.

Reworded, it could be great, but as usual, the devil is in the details...

[Vendzilla]

Scares me to let the government run anything that runs good already, they will tax it, regulate it and eventually kill it.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I'm against pirated shit too.

I also HATE tubes, and have since day fucking ONE!

Problem is, this bill is overreaching. It will ultimately hand control of the internet over to the 6 media companies that already control 99% of "news" that is already spun for us.

Reworded, it could be great, but as usual, the devil is in the details...

I felt the same way about other things passed in the last few years, but glad we agree on this one

[iSpyCams]

The reason you dumb shits are allowed to put porn on the internet is because of FREEDOM.

When that is gone, Porn will be on the short list of things not allowed on the internet anymore.

[wehateporn]

Personally, I'm more interested in the freedom of speech side

[Frank21]

For all those who love this bill they are coming with a new bill wich makes it a federal crime if you violate any websites terms of use as well yuo should love that too.
Go to jail for posting a avatar in violation of GFY terms of use and you can go to jail nice.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

The reason you dumb shits are allowed to put porn on the internet is because of FREEDOM.

When that is gone, Porn will be on the short list of things not allowed on the internet anymore.

I had "freedom" BEFORE user upload loopholes in the DMCA laws sent piracy into overdrive. And I was making millions with PORN on the internet without that particular "Freedom" way before YouTube or FaceBook or even Google existed.

People using that as an excuse to be against an anti-piracy bill are just not thinking clearly.

I don't like or trust the govt. one bit. But one thing is for sure...they already can yank down porn anytime they want to. That's been known for a long time. For whatever reason, they let us live here on the internet. And if they wanted to shut us down they could do it pretty easy...especially free sites. But pay sites could be taken down real quick with a little bit of govt. pressure on Visa and Mastercard.

We absolutely need a law to change what is going on with piracy. All of us (at least those of us who have been doing online porn since the mid 1990's) lived just FINE without user upload "freedom" to steal. And we'll do even better once it's illegal to steal copyright content again.

[MakingItPay]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I had "freedom" BEFORE user upload loopholes in the DMCA laws sent piracy into overdrive. And I was making millions with PORN on the internet without that particular "Freedom" way before YouTube or FaceBook or even Google existed.

People using that as an excuse to be against an anti-piracy bill are just not thinking clearly.

I don't like or trust the govt. one bit. But one thing is for sure...they already can yank down porn anytime they want to. That's been known for a long time. For whatever reason, they let us live here on the internet. And if they wanted to shut us down they could do it pretty easy...especially free sites. But pay sites could be taken down real quick with a little bit of govt. pressure on Visa and Mastercard.

We absolutely need a law to change what is going on with piracy. All of us (at least those of us who have been doing online porn since the mid 1990's) lived just FINE without user upload "freedom" to steal. And we'll do even better once it's illegal to steal copyright content again.

[MakingItPay]

If this passes, adult webmasters that create content will party like it is 1999! Too much money being made from Piracy. Google will squash it like a bug I'm afraid.

I read the comments on the petition. So, if people aren't allowed to post content they don't own, innovation will die?

[d-null]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Sorry..but I'm FOR this bill.

We all policed our sites and made sure that there was nothing illegal on them from day one. Now...suddenly it's not the owner's responsibility to do so anymore?

Bullshit. There WAS a reason we were WEBMASTERS. The pathetic horseshit that goes on today is nothing more than automated scripts doing everything while the supposed "webmaster" couldn't actually run a website to save his soul.

On my tube sites I have to go to the "Approval" que for every damn video. It takes a few minutes to get rid of the stuff that shouldn't be there.
I've never lost one bit of "freedom" that way.

As far as "Facebook" and others go? They didn't even exist a few years ago. I was just as "free" then as I am now.

And I can flat out tell you that YES FaceBook DOES police the hell out of it's site. Just ask anybody who tries to put up porn on there and they'll tell you real quick that their profile was deleted.

Fuck pirates. I'm all for going nuclear on them now. I'm still gonna be just as "free" with or without "user upload" (translated: stolen content)

how about all pictures and avatars, etc? will forums have to be "text only" as the owners would have no other way of ensuring that every single pic used has the proper licensing?

[MakingItPay]

Originally Posted by d-null

how about all pictures and avatars, etc? will forums have to be "text only" as the owners would have no other way of ensuring that every single pic used has the proper licensing?

A small price to pay to protect your intellectual property. Maybe I don't want people stealing my work and using it as a fking avatar? Do I get a say?

[bronco67]

This is kind of a scorched earth policy to get rid of piracy. I'm all for eliminating piracy, but this thing goes way too far.

[Frank21]

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

If this passes, adult webmasters that create content will party like it is 1999! Too much money being made from Piracy. Google will squash it like a bug I'm afraid.

I read the comments on the petition. So, if people aren't allowed to post content they don't own, innovation will die?

Keep on dreaming the glory days will never come back.
You can blame everyone but the internet has evolved google has won from altavista and even if you get rid of all the illegal tubes there will be plenty legal tubes with amazing content for people to enjoy.
In the 90s porn was special these days there are trillions of legal porn content for sale.
And 80% of the porn surfers has their own naked pic on the internet unlike the 90s where no one would dare to do that.

What do you think about the new bill in congress wich makes a violation of a internet rules and regulations a criminal offence?

3 links instead of 2 wich is allowed by the terms in your signature there comes the cops to put you in the jail.

[MakingItPay]

Originally Posted by bronco67

This is kind of a scorched earth policy to get rid of piracy. I'm all for eliminating piracy, but this thing goes way too far.

I know the internet is cool when stealing is so easy. But if you are the guy getting your stuff stolen that you created and are trying to sell, I think letting people steal and forcing me to pay someone to police all the sites that steal my stuff was going way to far in favor of theft.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by d-null

how about all pictures and avatars, etc? will forums have to be "text only" as the owners would have no other way of ensuring that every single pic used has the proper licensing?

I police my forums. You have too. And if you notice...my avatar is a pic of ME as it should be.
Again...I've been running message boards for almost ten years. I'm a webmaster and yes...I work my sites and am responsible for everything on them. It's the way I learned when I broke into the adult online business.

As far as posting a pic on a forum and this anti-piracy law goes...I do not believe in anyway that it is going to be used to go after forums and message boards. If you do think that, and you also think that avatars and pictures on a message board are more important than the millions of dollars and thousands of people who have lost their jobs thanks to piracy...then you should be against it all the way.

Me? I'm more interested in making a living and supporting my family. Fuck pirates.

[CYF]

Fuck Censorship

[d-null]

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

A small price to pay to protect your intellectual property. Maybe I don't want people stealing my work and using it as a fking avatar? Do I get a say?

I agree with you, but it will completely change the entire internet the way we know it, forums will be crippled, even Facebook would need to change completely

[MakingItPay]

Originally Posted by d-null

I agree with you, but it will completely change the entire internet the way we know it, forums will be crippled, even Facebook would need to change completely

So what? Forums that steal material and giving sites a pass to steal as long as they don't get caught crippled our industry. Glory days might not come back, but it would be nice to be able to once again control who sees your material. Do you not create content that people steal?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Frank21

Keep on dreaming the glory days will never come back.

Bullshit. Get piracy back under control with an updated DMCA/copyright law and we WILL make money just like before.

People want the NEWEST updates. They can have their computers filled with all the porn ever made up until this very moment.

And they are missing out on the latest update from their favorite girl. Or a new girl that they really, really want to see that they can't. And just like they always did...they will join for that privilege.

It's not a dream. It's the reason a site updates to begin with. If it didn't matter then nobody would create new porn. You'll see...and I don't know if you have skin in the game (guessing you don't)...but those of us who shoot unique, exclusive stuff are going to be in a position to reclaim our livelihoods when the dust clears.

[MakingItPay]

Originally Posted by Frank21

Keep on dreaming the glory days will never come back.
You can blame everyone but the internet has evolved google has won from altavista and even if you get rid of all the illegal tubes there will be plenty legal tubes with amazing content for people to enjoy.
In the 90s porn was special these days there are trillions of legal porn content for sale.
And 80% of the porn surfers has their own naked pic on the internet unlike the 90s where no one would dare to do that.

What do you think about the new bill in congress wich makes a violation of a internet rules and regulations a criminal offence?

3 links instead of 2 wich is allowed by the terms in your signature there comes the cops to put you in the jail.

3 links instead of 2 and they put you in jail? Not gonna ever happen in a million years, and I hope you know that. Steal an entire members area, post it for free to rapidshare, filesonic, and cops can't touch em. I'll take my chances and only post two links if that is the TOS

[Vendzilla]

How can our government govern the entire internet?

[MakingItPay]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

How can our government govern the entire internet?

By blocking illegal Pirate sites from the US market. They can't stop it in other countries.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

How can our government govern the entire internet?

Don't put anything past Washington D.C. Our country is bankrupted and today they said on the news that Obama is putting 2500 marines in AUSTRALIA!!! So we're gonna go out and spend a few more billion dollars to build a base and maintain a force in Australia.

Add that to the over 200 countries we occupy militarily. lol

Plus, they already control it pretty much

[d-null]

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

So what? Forums that steal material and giving sites a pass to steal as long as they don't get caught crippled our industry. Glory days might not come back, but it would be nice to be able to once again control who sees your material. Do you not create content that people steal?

I'm just saying, you can't pick and choose what is protected or not, if user uploads or forum posts are allowed, they are the same in the eyes of the law, even a small pic deserves just as much protection as a 3 hour video, so allowing anyone to post on a forum or social media site would not be possible if you want total protection from piracy

[MakingItPay]

Originally Posted by d-null

I'm just saying, you can't pick and choose what is protected or not, if user uploads or forum posts are allowed, they are the same in the eyes of the law, even a small pic deserves just as much protection as a 3 hour video, so allowing anyone to post on a forum or social media site would not be possible if you want total protection from piracy

Yes, stealing in the eyes of the law is stealing. I would love for it to be wrong again! Sad if forums would have to start creating content to post. Might make for better forums.

[marlboroack]

It's a .org. I donno man.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

Yes, stealing in the eyes of the law is stealing. I would love for it to be wrong again! Sad if forums would have to start creating content to post. Might make for better forums.

the point is, you couldn't allow anyone to post in your forum at all, because there would be no way to guarantee that they weren't posting a copyrighted picture or snippet of text

same goes even moreso with social media sites like facebook and twitter

[raymor]

Most of tne arguments against the bill make sense - if you haven't read the bill and don't know what it says. Fortunately, this isn't Obamacare, so we don't have to pass the bill to see what's in it. It's not a 2700 page monstrosity, but a regular bill of a few pages. You can read it and see that most of the anti arguments are based on misinformation about what it actually says.

For example, this makes perfect sense until you actually read the bill, or a reasonable summary of it:

Originally Posted by d-null

how about all pictures and avatars, etc? will forums have to be "text only" as the owners would have no other way of ensuring that every single pic used has the proper licensing?

As a matter fact, the law does not apply to forums like this one at all. The text of the bill says that in order to be affected, a site must consist of basically nothing but infringement. Since this sure has discussions, it's exempt. Youtube is also exempt since many of not most of the videos do not infringe.
The law applies only to sites which:

site is primarily designed or operated for the purpose of, has only limited purpose or use other than, or is marketed for (theft)

It also provides protection from liability for a site which removes infringing material once they are notified. So to be affected, a sure has to have infringement as it's primary purpose for being, and has to ignore notices of infringing material.

[MakingItPay]

Just imagine the innovation that would occur if people uploading content had to verify their address, phone number, state under penalty of perjury that the material they are uploading is theirs and they own the rights. Instead of now, they just steal, and when I want it down I have to do all that. Then the thief is told who reported them, but I am never told who the thief is. I would love it!

[MakingItPay]

Originally Posted by d-null

the point is, you couldn't allow anyone to post in your forum at all, because there would be no way to guarantee that they weren't posting a copyrighted picture or snippet of text

same goes even moreso with social media sites like facebook and twitter

Sounds like the law is going after pirates, not forums, unless they are pirate forums. That is great! Not so draconian after all.

[AllAboutCams]

i dont like facebook

[d-null]

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

Sounds like the law is going after pirates, not forums, unless they are pirate forums. That is great! Not so draconian after all.

when it comes to the law, and court cases, and lawyers, how can you really differentiate in black and white terms? any forum is a pirate forum in the eyes of a photographer that didn't license their pictures that people use very casually

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

How can our government govern the entire internet?

Exactly.

The pandora's box is already open.

By suddenly instituting these measures do you really think people are going to say "okay i guess i have to pay for it now."

It seems like they will simply find other means to get the content for free because there are a billion other ways to get it.

I hate piracy but there must be a better way.

I was for this originally but now I have great doubts.

This should set off alarm bells-

Problem is, this bill is overreaching. It will ultimately hand control of the internet over to the 6 media companies that already control 99% of "news" that is already spun for us.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

Just imagine the innovation that would occur if people uploading content had to verify their address, phone number, state under penalty of perjury that the material they are uploading is theirs and they own the rights.

And imagine the sheer creativity if "user upload" was actually user CREATED. People would actually be creating new content instead of simply using a software program to download it and then re-upload it to a pirate site.

In my opinion...creativity and innovation are being repressed by piracy. There just isn't much "creative" or "innovative" in stealing content that doesn't belong to you and/or making money off of it from the traffic it brings you (manwin)

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Caligari

This should set off alarm bells-

You are quoting something there from a very biased guy. Just because he wrote it and you quoted it doesn't make it true. Thus, no "alarm bells"

My "alarm bells" will go off when the govt. goes after Visa & Mastercard and pressures them to stop processing anything adult related.

[MakingItPay]

Originally Posted by d-null

when it comes to the law, and court cases, and lawyers, how can you really differentiate in black and white terms? any forum is a pirate forum in the eyes of a photographer that didn't license their pictures that people use very casually

You obviously aren't a photographer. Casual theft of your work would really piss you off. A good law that stops Piracy is what I would like. I'll take a sort of good one. Hell, I might even take a shitty one that we can change later.

[raymor]

Originally Posted by d-null

the point is, you couldn't allow anyone to post in your forum at all, because there would be no way to guarantee that they weren't posting a copyrighted picture or snippet of text

same goes even moreso with social media sites like facebook and twitter

Under this law, the forum owner would simply have to either a) not ask people to upload stolen goods and promote the forum as a place for infringement or b) respond to complaints. Because Facebook and Twitter and do not advertise as pirate sites, and are used by people other than thieves, they are immune under this law. You're worried about a make believe bill, or maybe, last yearns bill. None of your concerns apply to this bill.

[MakingItPay]

Originally Posted by Robbie

You are quoting something there from a very biased guy. Just because he wrote it and you quoted it doesn't make it true. Thus, no "alarm bells"

My "alarm bells" will go off when the govt. goes after Visa & Mastercard and pressures them to stop processing anything adult related.

That would suck for awhile too Robbie. But it too would spark innovation. There would just be a middleman that would take card and it would be a go between. Like Paypal will not process for adult sites. Yet, they make a fortune processing for adult material of file lockers.
When the money is that big, there will be a work around.

[Frank21]

Originally Posted by raymor

Under this law, the forum owner would simply have to either a) not ask people to upload stolen goods and promote the forum as a place for infringement or b) respond to complaints. Because Facebook and Twitter and do not advertise as pirate sites, and are used by people other than thieves, they are immune under this law. You're worried about a make believe bill, or maybe, last yearns bill. None of your concerns apply to this bill.

According to this bill if somehow something has been posted on this blog wich a copyrite holder claims he ALLEGES that it may be in vviolation of his rights the website will be taken off the internet no "fair use" or any judge will be involved!

[MakingItPay]

Originally Posted by Frank21

According to this bill if somehow something has been posted on this blog wich a copyrite holder claims he ALLEGES that it may be in vviolation of his rights the website will be taken off the internet no "fair use" or any judge will be involved!

If this is correct, then this may be the poison pill put into the bill so that it could never pass. If I say google has my images, they will take down google? Even if they don't have my images. That is power to the people for sure!

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by Robbie

You are quoting something there from a very biased guy. Just because he wrote it and you quoted it doesn't make it true. Thus, no "alarm bells"

My "alarm bells" will go off when the govt. goes after Visa & Mastercard and pressures them to stop processing anything adult related.

If your "alarm bells" only go off because you're not making money, you may want to re-think that...

From NetCoalition (Google, Yahoo, etc)

"As leading brands of the Internet, we strongly oppose offshore 'rogue' websites and share policymakers' goal of combating online infringement of copyrights and trademarks," said executive director Markham Erickson in a statement.

"However, we do not believe that the solution lies in regulating the Internet and comprising its stability and security. We do not believe that it is worth overturning a decade of settled law that has formed the legal foundation for all social media. And finally, we do not believe that it is worth restricting free speech or providing comfort to totalitarian regimes that seek to control and restrict the Internet freedoms of their own citizens."

[Frank21]

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

If this is correct, then this may be the poison pill put into the bill so that it could never pass. If I say google has my images, they will take down google? Even if they don't have my images. That is power to the people for sure!

Exactly only globalist companys like google will get a magic waver.

Even a MC donald sign in 1 of your outside pictures may be reason to take down your website if MC donalds claims this is bad for its reputation.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Caligari

If your "alarm bells" only go off because you're not making money, you may want to re-think that...

Any "alarm bells" that go off for me are based on my years of experience in this business.
I've seen and read and heard "the sky is falling" many, many times over the years.

But it really DID fall over the last few years with piracy. It's destroying everything.

If people want to argue over an updated law that replaces the current DMCA law that is far, far behind what is happening...then I would suggest you turn your arguments toward the PIRATES.

It's not the honest hard working guys like me who work hard for a living and take risks, etc. that are causing these new "restrictive" laws to come into place.

Nope.

It's the greedy fucking pirates and thieves who are going to end up being the end of your perceived "freedom" (and as I read this thread...it appears that "freedom" translates into youtube, message boards, and facebook for most of the video game playing generation).

For me..."freedom" means the freedom to create and work and not have to worry about spending half my time dealing with thieves who steal everything.

I guess it's all a matter of where you're standing that determines your perspective on it. And from where I'm standing...this industry has been raped by piracy.

Not that the govt. gives a shit about us. But since pirates have also turned their greed and corruption towards mainstream business and fucked them too...now it's time to pay the piper.

Fuck pirates and thieves.

[BFT3K]

“In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

~ Pastor Martin Niemöller, 1945

Just a little less freedom every day....

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

If this passes, adult webmasters that create content will party like it is 1999! Too much money being made from Piracy. Google will squash it like a bug I'm afraid.

I read the comments on the petition. So, if people aren't allowed to post content they don't own, innovation will die?

i doubt so