I just found a forum with over 3k members of people who run illegal tube sites.
 

and or tring to learn and sharing selling databases of content lol its all over.

Sounds interesting...

2 letters 2 numbers in the domain?

I could only see the topics not login its invite only.

why aren't you giving the name of the site out?

since it is invite only can you post link please...

and then get banned.
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I'm sure some of the largest players are in there running these sites.

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gfy ................?

You'd think people would focus more on stopping the content from leaving their members areas, rather than waste their time focusing on trying to stop a tsunami of opportunists. lol

Sticky, DRM/encrypted streams that do not allow the surfer to download the videos sound like a good idea in principle, but it really has to affect rebilling and customer satisfaction, no? If you are running sites using it now, tell the truth, don't you receive angry emails from members asking why they can't save the videos to their hard drives? I mean, it may work to keep your content from being reposted but at what cost? I simply can't believe that your customers are okay with this and are happy to keep paying to not be able to save the videos.

not talking about iq.. :winkwink:

lies....

There are a lot of members areas out there using streaming h264 rtmpe right now. I wont speak up for them as its not my place. Ours rebills just fine.

The problem is everyone worried what "might" happen. The error happened long before most of us were in Adult. The model was flawed from the get go.

Jim all I ask is this. And answer honestly. Do you think that a member should be allowed to keep all videos in a members area for the price of renting them?

This needs changed over industry wide. No more video downloads they can keep forever.

Personally I would MUCH prefer to wack it to streaming vids rather than wait for them to download.

Who runs Videobox? Ask them which does better their streaming model, or their download model. They have both available to the member. Shit Im even a member there, and I pick streaming everytime unless there is a vid I really want to see and they dont have that option yet. Who watches the same porn vid more than once and wacks to it again within say even 1 month? Maybe if that was their ONLY video to watch yes, but if they are offered the option to watch a fresh vid they have never seen and looks hot they will choose new over old everytime. So personally I wouldn't want to clog up my hard drive with vids I might never watch again.

Add to that, that a VERY large number of paysite members are husbands that do not want their wife finding their porn. So Im sure MANY would rather have a fast streaming, fully scrubable high quality video solution that isn't saved to their computer, but that they have super easy access to.

Let me ask you another question, do you think that with the current model, and the increasing amount of piracy going on it is a good idea to continue feeding that lurking monster? Its like having a dragon in your basement that is eating your children but you keep sending down sides of beef to it to eat.

Everyone on the planets bandwidth is increasing 10 fold if not now, soon. Everyone will eventually be on fiber pushing 30 megs up and down. That means if I have a vid on my computer I can hit up my buddy who wants to see the video. Its about 700MB so normally that would of taken uploading to a host, waiting a long ass time, then giving them the link. Would require them to pay for some hosting at least. Now its coming where they will be able to hit up that same buddy via say Yahoo messenger, click file send, and that 700MB file will be there in minutes.

This is not going to get better, its going to get worse. No matter of legal wrangling, or just flat out whining is going to stop it. The only way is to cut off the super easy access to the supply. Ok I've got work to do. [/rant] hehe :winkwink:

:helpme :winkwink:

As some one who develops VOD site for a living. 90% of the users stick to Streaming and the other 10% who downloads tend to concentrate on Nich (I see more Gay videos get downloaded vs straight).

5 years ago I started selling MS DRM. DRM works but not 100% of the time and surfers hate it. Also its so easy to brake DRM that their is no point putting DRM movies. Look at Amazon with its non DRM MP3 site.

I still sell and support DRM system because their are few studios who will not lic their content if their is no DRM on VOD sites.

You seem to be confirming what I am saying about Streaming vs. Download though correct? Streaming is the more popular choice if given the option?

streaming makes the most sense and gets even better as the average connection speed is getting faster too

idiot stop posting on gfy and search google.

can you email me the link.. i cant find it anywhere and i am pretty sure i can get access if i know the domain... m a r k e t s m a r t <at) g m a i l .co m

agreed. most of ours use flash as well.

the ones who want to steal your shit can do it. screen recorders. how do you lockdown from that?

answer: you don't

if its on a screen and can and will be pilfered.

the dumb sheep are not the ones doing this.

the ones that want to do damage are also the ones who want downloads, and the ones who know how to jack your shit anyhow, whether or not you're using a fancy flash server or the new h codec.

if they want it they will get it. slowing them is the only thing you can do beyond trying to prosecute people.

please share with me as well. you have my icq

thanks.

If you are asking me to think only as a surfer, not the porn producer & content owner that I am, I would say that, yes you are god dam right I would want to download and keep the videos if I am paying $20-$30 or possibly more for a web site subscription. I don't consider that much money the cost of a "rental" as you describe it. And I would be very irked if I could not, so much so that I would look for any technological solution, software or screen capture for example to do so. I am picky and it would take a site that had content that I was very interested for me to pull out my credit card, especially at this stage of the game, and I would want to keep whatever I was paying for to look at it again and have it in my personal collection.

Now I know that there exist a lot of VOD sites, mega sites and even some unique pay sites that only offer streaming, and surfers are okay with that since like you say, many guys just want a quick whack and no evidence left behind. But I consider that the mentality of surfers joining those sites that have a lot of varied content a little bit differently than a surfer who joins a solo girl site or a singular porn site with a theme. In my experience the overwhelming majority of those guys would be pissed they couldn't keep the videos and would express so. But if it works for you that's great. I may consider a solution like that it in the future if I have some special projects. But for now I am mostly selling downloadable clips with no DRM and I don't feel compelled to try it yet. By the way, one other issue, if you ever decide to release the same content on your sites on DVD or BlueRay, that's another way your stuff could get pirated.

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Of course people can rip dvds. Thats not my concern, that is the dvd companies concern. Ours will not be on dvd so not my issue. Now as I said with Videobox I CAN download every video that is an option. Ive never done that unless flash was not an option for a particular vid I wanted to see.

And on the "you dont think 30.00 is small enough to be a rental fee thing" If it were per video I agree, but we are talking full sites of content. I personally do not feel compelled to let a surfer download and keep my full site for 27.95. Sorry I just do not agree, and I think the model is utterly flawed to allow them to keep the content.

That's what makes me nervous about trying it. In 2000 we disabled the right click. We lost half of our members in 2 days and got lots of hate email. Now back then I had a day job and the site was small so to experiment was safe. Now I couldn't take that chance.
Also its not universal so then it's fuck them I will join a site I can download.
Im very leery. We wont talk about the customers I get like the guy running windows 3.1 or the one last week who told my wife he loves the site and he is glad there are lots of pictures because his computer is too old to watch the videos.

She or he or it is to busy sucking my rock hard old cock to help you.:warning

That’s because you are a webmaster. If you were some guy with fixation on certain fetish you would watch same shit over and over. I don’t think that some guy that sees long toe nails and loves the girl will be be pocking his clown on videos with grandma. He will be getting off on same video for months.

when I was a porn fan, I watched and jacked to dirty debutantes 3 probably over 100x.

The model of "All the content you can download and keep for $29.95" seemed to work in the days when there was so much money to be made it didn't matter. But the market is mature now and maybe a new model is needed.

I know some of the sites I like have no streaming option and I WISH they did. I hate downloading the videos, especially when they are broken up. It's a huge pain in the ass.

But I think some people are thinking you just switch to no-downloads overnight so when all your members log on they are shocked and cancel. Obviously, you don't do it like that. First, run the streaming parallel with the download option so surfers get a taste of the instant viewing. Then have a few updates here and there with no download option and gauge the response. Then make the download page a separate page you have to click a few links to get to and make it sort of a pain to navigate. So basically you phase out the download option without actually saying so. Just like every other industry does when they phase something out. I bet eventually you could do away with the downloading all together with minimal pain.

fuck illegal tube sites.

said before, will keep saying it lol

stickyfingerz you could set a monthly download limit per member

Sure, but it still gets out that way. I want to get rid of that all together.

A-fucking-MEN. Thank you.

Many people, no offense to stinkyzingerz the republican, talk and think like a fucking webmaster. "What makes it easier for THEM", and "how THEY like to do it", and so on.

I've read this countless times on this, and other, forums. No one gives a fuck how YOU like to do it. It's about how the member, or returning customer likes it. This almost always comes up in the whole pretty website design discussions.

Pretty websites are for webmasters. Not surfers. Surfers want good...

1. Content.
2. Navigation.
3. Download speeds.
4. Consistent updates.
5. Support. Interaction.

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I have all those. But instead of "download speeds" we have instant video playback.

Yes Im a webmaster, but lets be frank, I wack it too. Even with Dixie Dash around the house lol. And its me as a "surfer" that prefers streaming. Why do I want to download a full 20 minute scene when to be honest Im probably only going to need 10 minutes of it.

Lets take a poll here. Does anyone really watch a full scene? I doubt the majority do. So not only are you letting your content out into the wild with no control over where it ends up, you are wasting bandwidth to the tune of 50% of all videos viewed. So now you have to spend time chasing down copyright infringers which also cost you money. Then your exclusive content is dilluted by it being out there. No one wins there. So because of the extra financial expenditures due to allowing those great members to download those videos you are unable to shoot more content for the site. At least less than you would be able to do with the extra cash from wasted bandwidth and chasing pirates that is. So in the end the customer suffers too.

But keep worrying about those minority of members that might get pissed, many of whom are probably some of the ones spreading around your hard work for free. :winkwink:

StickyZingerz out!! lol

I wonder how many of these are running around

Stickyfingerz likes to act like he's smarter than everyone else, and boast about how well he's doing, but if you look at his site stats, they pretty much suck:

Alexa stats for Sticky's exclusive sites:

DaisyMarie18: 645,842 (that's the best he can do for his fiancee's site)
DixieDash: 789,769

Alexa stats for his Affiliate site:

Stickboxbucks: 1,008,259

Alexa stats from some of his affiliate program sites that appear to be mostly composed of old 3rd party content:

AsianSchoolBabe: 581,880
OnlyAsianModels 536,879
SquirtStars: 5,752.077
Prettyfeetlovers.com has a traffic rank of: 9,152,513
Glowingasses.com has a traffic rank of: 4,378,077
Girlsshagginggirls.com has a traffic rank of: 3,400,402
Onepornkey.com has a traffic rank of: 1,606,094
Boyattitude.com has a traffic rank of: 6,049,813
Asiangayzone.com has a traffic rank of: 2,943,512
Pornmixpass.com has a traffic rank of: 1,292,365

I could go on - but, everyone should get the idea by now...Sticky talks a big act, but the facts don't back up the bluster.

His sites are doing so well that he posted a thread today that he's trying to pick up video editing work on the side. :upsidedow

All I am saying is before making big changes to your program, check out the source/people giving you free advice, and then make your own judgement call...

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Hm. Alexa ranking doesn't mean a whole lot, especially when most high ranking Alexa ratings for paysites exist due to FHGs, mainly movies.

If you have sites that are not doing better than 500,000 on Alexa, then you are seriously not getting very much traffic. No traffic = no cash for paysites.

For example, DonnyLong.com has a counter that has been present since at least the beginning of the year, and it currently shows that he has had 9,877 visitors, which translates to no more than slightly over 1,000 visitors a month (or 30-40 per day) since it's inception.

Still, his Alexa ranking is: 398,457

I would expect a decent paysite to be able to generate a higher Alexa rating than that.

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It's STINKYzingerz the republican bro. Get it right. :winkwink:

if its a forum full of cheaters, kaktuz and airkat is probably involved

I did not know zingerz dated half way decent women. I thought he was 'toe tappin' republicans in airport bathrooms. :winkwink:

I demand you post toe pix zingerz.

**shudders**

i know the forum you're talking, it is also full of priate forum webmasters. oh hold on, it's also owned by the illustrious content pirate and gfy member kaktuz. :disgust

can you email me the link please.. marketsmart + gmail.com

Its amazing how much of a clue you do not have. Fiance? Daisy? ok lol

Ill tell you what I do roughly 750,000 uniques a month right now. Ill go with my stats rather than alexa. I currently have 123 domains. I work on traffic to ALL Of them. You have what 7 or 8 domains and a design a 9th grader with notepad and paint could do in about 30 minutes.

Put down the pipe you old hippie. If at any time you want to discuss how h.264 rtmpe streaming can help your bottom line Id be glad to talk more.

How awesome are you for posting alexa stats from a program that just launched in January. Wow so surprising that Im not in the sub 100k club yet lol. Im pretty much a one man show, and am soon to be pushing a million uniques over our network of sites by the end of the year. Im not embarrassed by that at all.

Why must there always be an asshat that has to try and divert from the discussion at hand? Seriously just fuck off.

Sorry, I confused Dana with Daisy, as to which talent you are currently banging - but you know what I meant.

BTW, your DixieDash (Dana's site) stats are even worse than your DaisyMarie stats, as I correctly cited (and you ignored):

DaisyMarie18: 645,842
DixieDash: 789,769

Which site of yours has the highest Alexa rank (and what is the rank)?

Anyway, how is it that Alexa does not cite a single website of yours that I looked up in the top 500,000, if in fact you are drawing the 750,000 visitors to your sites as you claim? That is simply inexplicable.

Among the reasons many people have trouble believing anything you say, is that you make ridiculous claims without providing any proof, besides your word, which has not proven to be worth much based upon previous revelations about you (your last employer called you a liar, a cheat, and a thief).

You protest that you've only had over six months to generate traffic, as to why Alexa's independent site data reveals that your site traffic stats totally suck:

"Just launched in January", yeah, as in over six months ago (and you were giving away GOLD, as much as $20,000 of it to draw affiliates - yet no affiliate received a single penny worth of gold in your contest).

You are a total bullshitter on GFY, and always have been.

Be glad I have left your trainwreck personal life out of my postings so far... :2 cents:

My comments have been relevent to the thread inasmuch as you carry on as a know-it-all about how to make money in the adult biz, while defending thieves, yet independent stats (and your own past writing) do not reveal that you have achieved any significant level of success in the adult business.

Not long ago, you were asking for work/donations to buy your wife a gift, and just today you were trolling GFY for side video editing work (while trying to maintain the facade that you are making money hand over fist).

Yet you still try to carry on like some bigshot...brown-nosing anyone that will give you the time of the day, and trying to con everyone else.

Gold, Jerry, Gold!!! :1orglaugh

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and they're posting in this thread too - funny that.

Did you just msg me on icq? If so, do it again please - audium crashed.