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Its amazing you have such a bug up your ass about me. Where and when exactly by the way did I claim our program is making money hand over fist? You are a utter fucking moron. And you cite my former "employer" which he never was. I did side work for him helping him keep rent at the motel eight is all. Its also amazing that I start a second biz besides our program now that I have a bit of room to breathe and you call this trolling for work. lmao. Its called hard work and perseverance. ANYONE that says a new program starts rolling in the dough is a liar. Of course its financially difficult. Especially when you dont start out with a 100k budget. You are simply petty and pathetic. Make whatever claims you care to. Ill still be here. You and your gang of sticky haters tried to get rid of me last year over a bunch of bs that I think anyone with a brain can now see was bs. Maybe you missed the little rant about you the other night? Hey but feel free to take that guy that shows up once every 3 or 4 months in a drunken stupors word. Regardless of what you say, you have no idea what I have going on, and how hard I work everyday. Sure Im not a huge fish now. But I will work until I am. You somehow paint that as a bad thing. Have at it Larry. Your opinion of me and my program makes little difference to me. And I am sorry I dont run fhgs on my domains to increase their alexa. We don't do free hosting period. I work on getting solid traffic. Over all our domains. Its not a overnight process. Btw Dixie only launched last month so I think her alexa is just fine. Ta ta old hippy. |
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99% (OK maybe 95%) of the porn produced in this industry is not worth watching twice. And there is the crux of the problem today. We have produced crap content that is not worth keeping, is not worth paying for and now complaining because some people have brought out sites with free stuff that is not worth keeping and not worth paying for. mynameisjim has the right idea for some. Quote:
The future will belong to the guys who know what the surfer wants, able to produce it and at the price the member's willing to pay for it. If you can't figure it out the Tubes will take your traffic. The only hope you have is if others with the money and the balls shut down the Tube sites. |
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We talk about members as if they are the problem not the solution. Trust me the surfer is the solution, we need to stop catering to affiliates and sending more traffic to more sites that piss off the consumer and start producing a product and service people will pay for. Problem is some sponsors don't have a clue what I'm talking about. To them porn is easy to shoot and any girl naked is hot!!! |
There is no adult webmaster forum worse than GFY... The amount of bullshit, and ignorant newbies on this forums is just amazing..
The simple fact that the main forum is called Fucking Around AND Program Discussion is a good sign that this is not a place for business. Would be so much better if those two were split into two subforums. One for Fucking Around like 95% of the people here do, and one for Program Discussion and business for the other 5% |
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For 8 years it's GENERALLY been the same approach. The surfer is a scammer who wants to download your complete server and then cancel or even charge back. He's also someone you can use pre clicked boxes to sell him something he does not want, sign him up for free and in truth charge him as much as you can, sign him up to a site that's full of crap that's not worth the money. Will not even go into all the other shit things we do to him. Basically rip him off so you can pay an affiliates as much money as possible. GOD FORBID you should ever treat an affiliate as badly as you treat a member or surfer. That will get you exposed as a scammer, shaver and down right nasty person on every board possible. So what has changed that makes it different today? Tube sites rip off us and give the surfer what they want. And fuck me if the surfer does not prefer them to our paysites. What a wonder that is. If you want the surfer to come back what do you think will make him come back? Because none of you have a hope in hell of closing Tube sites. |
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why not make the silent license last for like a year after they quit.. then you pop them with a message to join again. the failure of DRM was initially the implementation, webmasters cut people off the moment they quit the site. then review sites started to track who was using DRM videos.. DRM is easily stripped anyways (fairuse4WM), so only takes one clever kid to strip it out and share it with the world through P2P and tube type sites. best bet is to watermark. for those ultra-paranoid about ppl cropping the video to take out the watermark, make it rotate positions on the top and bottom to prevent clipping. Fight the sharing! |
Flash video is all the rage. Like Paul said you don't have to download it, can watch it immediately. Those that want the downloads are hardcore porn addicts and leeches.
Offer good content, good price, and members will stay on. They understand the billing, like paying for HBO... when you stop paying for it, you can't see it anymore. illegal tube sites certainly put a dent into all of this, but its a challenge a business owner must face and to address it. so many program owners miss the #1 rule of business, know thy customer. Fight the preaching! |
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Let me think about it for 2 seconds. Yes most of the people who came into Internet porn back in 1998 were programmers. Few had a clue about porn, they had less of a clue on the buyer and why he bought porn. Most thought it was something to get rich quick on, which in the beginning it was. The pioneers made it largely because it was so fucking easy anyone could do it. They then thought the way these people succeeded was the way to succeed. Most of those copying were clueless why a site sold. Ten years on we have the industry WE created. Yes WE created the mess we are in. We listened to people who if they had known what they were talking about the surfers would not be rushing to get their thrills from a Tube site. That is the reason it's so tough today. The product most of us sell does not COMPETE with Pornotube and Redtube and all most can do is dream they will disappear. I'm planning to bring out a site none of you can copy the porn it will contain, that will put me apart from most. Then I will be reviving the $5 idea and selling porn at a price surfers will buy at. Now you can all bleat that you won't send traffic to it. So keep sending traffic to sites that rip off the surfer. Because that's the bottom line and the reason we are in the shit. For 10 years you have been more than happy to send traffic to sites that made a lot of surfers think Tube sites were a better deal. Barefootsies you can quote this and add some smilies, does not make any useful contribution except to show you don't have anything constructive to say. |
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You need to cool it chief on thinking everyone's out to bash you. Save it for your fan club. |
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Also whats not spoken about you want to do only flash and you have more than 5 members. You need some heavy duty server power. |
I think that most of you sound like idiots... of course the surfer will tell you they want to keep it... but Paul is right... if your content is on point then it doesn't matter because they will still buy memberships to wack it to the girl/scene that makes them hot. Videobox and AEBN are perfect examples of programs that do it right and make more money the most of your programs combined.
lol @ alexa... I have tgps that have a way higher alexa then those... hehe. |
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Call me whatever names you all want, but I am far from stupid, and its pretty obvious how this all happened. Tell me whatever you want about decades of experience blah blah. How can you NOT realize what is happening, and will continue to happen till the old model is crushed and everyone takes advantage of newer technology? As far as heavy duty server power. Let someone else worry about that. Cavecreek and Webair, and Natnet, and a bunch of others have CDN and they will be able to handle whatever traffic you throw at them. You will end up saving money on bandwidth on top of that, so its a win win. Phase it in if you are worried about it all. *shrugs* And again anyone wanting to get started on switching to streaming rtmpe hit me up. I can get you going in the right direction. |
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Sorry for the newbie question but why are the sites illegal?
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Dude you should stop posting about shit you have no clue about. Leave it to someone who gets absolutly NO TRAFFIC to tell people what members want. THe more you speak the more clear you make it that YOU have no clue. Members want to download the movies period. I had more members in 03 than you will have in the next 5 years. How can you stand there and protest to know what members want? Alexa is off, but it doesnt matter if you use Alexa, compete, or your very own stats, any proggie owner worth a sale knows you do less than a couple sales a day. Fact. |
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Everyone talks about conversions being bad now? Just wait for fiber to replace the current broadband model. Anyone remember direct connect? Watch something similar to that come out but work via instant messengers. [sarcasm]Everyone stay right where you are, no need to change. Everything will be just fine... [/sarcasm] keep telling yourselves that lol. |
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You stating that members dont want to download is foolish and quite the ignorant statement. People that own programs or have sites that do 100+ sales a week know the shit your talking proves how green you are. Nobody needs to change over their whole biz model because some scums want to give away movies for free. If you knew a thing about collectors you would know that STREAMING Blows. Rebills are huge for people who make sales in the industry and if people who actually make sales thought that was the solution your point would be proven by people moving over to it. What difference is it who i am, if its obvious to everyone here that I am right and you are wrong? |
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if you are just streaming .FLV files through apache, then there is a loading issue.. but that's not different than people who are streaming .WMV files through apache. for higher throughput, you would use windows media server for .WMV, and use Flash server (or wowza, red5, etc) for .FLV that are tuned to handle high volumes For those with high b/w issues, check out MojoHost.. great b/w pricing and solutions for flash streaming. Fight the new tricks! |
For those that haven't checked out videobox.com they offer WMV and Flash streaming (as well as some other formats). ElevatedX CMS does the multi-conversions in it and i have seen other sites do the same with multi-formats (that includes flash streaming and downloadable)
Videobox lets you watch 3 streams for free.. and what a kickass flash player they have with the timeline thumbnails so you can see whats coming up. Fight the innovations! |
I make more than most and none of my sites has an alexa rank under 150,000...
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can u name one site that sells an individual flash clip? i think not.... putting aside your bad example.... if a business, like yours, needs to have downloadable video, then that is what you do. other businesses can run hybrid that has both, and others do strictly flash. i didn't say all sites had to be flash.. i said it was the "rage".. because many people are adopting flash video, whether exclusively or as an additional medium. every business is different.... some make the mistake that if it works great for them, then that's the only way to do things... or vice versa.... there is no black and white, and the benefit that I have is being able to talk to many different companies to see how many are doing things to gain my observations. So i don't need to run an actual porn site to be able to talk about porn sites as you keep trying to throw back in my face. When I post up, I am sharing my observations that span across many companies and many years of observations. Anyone here that offers both streaming flash and downloadable WMV that can provide some stats as to what percentage is doing better? Click/download stats may show that people are watching the flash video for previewing the clips and then downloading the WMV to save ... i bet the consumers are liking this approach, as it saves them lots of time from having to download the full clip. Thumbnail previews like the videobox player are very nice for user satisfaction since you know where to fast forward to .. instead of just moving the marker over and maybe missing something. for those that use .WMV streaming that don't allow for fast forward.. that's gotta be frustrating for the members... I see alot of things done by sites that just aren't helping the member's experience. Its all about getting the rebills.. which is important, but to get the rebill you have to provide fresh content, ease of use, and value for the money spent. Those playing the numbers game are few and far between.. Fight the customer! |
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Ok can ANYONE here attest for the experience of NotOldSchool? Anyone care to step forward? |
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Been running 3 minutes so far and says 15 minute remaining. I am still currently in the minority with how fast my speed is. Im taking all they can send me and its going to take 18 to 20 minutes to finish. Now I can sit here with my pecker in my hand waiting OR I can use their Flash 3 media server and start watching withing say 2 seconds, scrub anywhere in the video and watch whenever I want. Use Frame preview and find the part I want to see. In the meantime I probably will only use up maybe 50 to 100MB of their bandwidth rather than 604MB. H264 will cut that size in half. Instant action. This is a no brainer. VIDEOBOX.COM do any of you post here? Please give us some stats on streaming vs download percentages. Thanks. :winkwink: |
I think the truth is that while not offering downloads would hurt business, sales, and rebills, having the stuff to download may not even be used, but is nice to have if you wanted to do that.
When you take something away or don't offer it, that just adds negative skew to their opinion, which helps form the decision to buy or move on. |
Enjoying the debate on whether or not offering downloads is a good thing. I think it would be better to just have streaming content but it's a little late for that path.
Another bad thing about allowing downloads: let's say you have a $1.00 3 day trial on your paysite. Someone can signup and download as much as possible in 3 days and wank it for the next few months or whatever. So some people are not just giving away ALL their content for the $30/mo fee, they're giving it away for $1.00!! Not to mention the $20-$50 (or :gasp: $100 promo) you sent an affiliate for that $1 trial |
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some programs are offering limited access for the trial period.. where you can access limited number of videos/photos per section. requires some backend programming and such for this, but makes sense, rather than offering your whole site for such a small amount. the whole of a trial, is for someone to see that there really is good stuff inside, beyond what the tour says. Fight the leechers! |
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