PERLCODERS AVS script -- Anyone use this?
 

Anyone use PC's AVS Script both the original and the "pro" version -- any feedback? Should I use a premade AVS script like this or just have one custom made?

Anyone?

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I have never used it, however I was contacted by a webmaster who installed the script and then discovered it was a piece of junk. I was told they were in the proccess of coding fixes , but last time I looked at the code it was a wreck. The database design was poor at best and obviously not planned very well. I would suggest hiring a programmer to do it custom, you will get what you pay for that way.

Rory
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Thanks, Rory.

Any other feedback? BTW, the script costs $2500. I figure a custom job will be around $5000.

Hey Rory you do any programming? If not can u recommend someone? How much do you think a script of this type would cost? Approximately.

1) Users were able to create accounts simply by passing some variables to an unprotected cgi. All I did was type in ......signup.cgi?user=fakeuser...... and it was all added to the subsriber database.
2) Data wasnt backed up correctly....... countless times. There was alot of data that was dropped , even though the backup file wasnt being created due to a path issue. There was no warning sent or anything, it just continued to drop data until I had to tell the webmaster that all his data was gone.
3) No way to disable accounts, you were either active or the entire row in the subscriber database was removed.
4) Pay periods are controlled manually and there is alot of potential for error with no way to undo.
................. That is just the beginning off the top of my head.

And no I dont program avs' , just sharing an experience I had with it ;) .

Rory
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Dude, thanks, man. You may have saved me $2500 and MORE IMPORTANTLY scream time over the phone for scripts that don't work. I think everyone here has had the latter experience.

I have quoted out avs jobs in the past and I determined that I would need to make $6000 total to make it worthwhile. I would either build one custom and exclusive for $6000 , or what I have done in the past is ask the person ordering the script if he would have a problem with another webmaster or 2 sharing the technology. I have found that is a good way to do large jobs, since there are alot of people out there that dont mind if a few of there buddy webmasters are running the same system. Between 4-6k is a good price for a solid avs system.

Rory
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I do do programming but honestly dont have time for a large job atm. I swear when things start going well, they seem to come at once :) . I really didnt intend to spam myself as a programmer, just wanted to give my experience I had with the script since I was knee deep in it a few months ago. However Iam sure there are at least a few folks on the board that may have some avs writing expereince. Hope that helps.

Rory

try [email protected]

he does excellent work.has done a lot of custom programming for me.he is not cheap. but he stands behind his work.

Backov supposedly has a good one. I've never heard any complaints about it. I'm sure he'll see this thread any minute now.

No I don't

Anyone here tried AVS Blitz ? I am planning to buy it in the next month. It look really powerfull and impressive, but before spending 1,500$ I would like to make sure I made the right decision. Anyone ?

Thanks
Jon

Here's a decent programmer/site
http://www.otscripts.com/index.html?dan

I put my referral code there just in case your wanted to share the coin:)

I looked at that script a year ago when I was thinking of starting a free AVS, but I decided against it because they kept evading questions and trying to bounce me into purchasing it first and asking questions later. A year on, they are still claiming... "News - It looks like TotalAVS & TotalAVS Professional will soon be off the market, one of the customers who purchased it and now runs a large AVS has asked to buy the rights from us. This means as of date of contract signing, no future copies will be sold. "

well if you are interested in getting it custom, let me know, we also do custom programming.

:)

PimpLink, I think you should probably contact the webmaster of Getverified.com and ask him about TotalAVS, as well as the webmasters at the other sites I list below, rather than people who want you to spend 5-6k to have one custom made by them =)


For those that do not know GetVerified has been around for years, uses TotalAVS software (modified) and has been a solid customer for years.

Rory, I have never heard of a number of "problems" you say you saw, maybe you were thinking of the cheap ass imitation stuporscripts put out.

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you can also check with the webmasters of these sites:
totalavs.com
gaysupersites.com
malepassword.com

Chrism: I dont know who you would have talked to that would evade any questions you may have had, but as for the sale of exclusive rights, that should have been taken off the site a while ago. GetVerified was at one time negotiating buying rights to the script, however that did not pan out.

I've worked with both TotalAVS and Totalavs pro sense they were created. I helped incorporate the Tavs standard into Getverified (sense then getverified has edited the system to fit his exact needs) and i have worked with just about every site that uses either version of Totalavs and helped develop the pro version.

The original tavs and tavs pro was using "idsignup2.cgi?user=fakeuser" as the "welcome_page" link with a refer check to make sure the link came from ccbill's signup page. This way of adding members has been changed many months ago. Perlcoders, Ccbill and I worked together and came up with the current way of passing info to the avs system using "alternate_script" hidden tag. This tag allows about everything to be posted back to the system and again we check the refer url to make sure. This was before ccbill's newest version which allows you to set the post back url in the actual ccbill admin. All 3 ways will work with Totalavs and Totalavs pro.

As for pay periods, they are run on a crontab or manually?that is up to the owner to decide how and when they want it run

In Totalavs Pro, suspending accounts for webmasters is the 3rd option and the 4th option suspends the subscriber?using either the webmasters or subscribers id! This is one of the reasons perlcoders created the pro version. Many of the standard owners wanted more feature.

The back up error was brought to my and perlcoders attention and was taken care of. Have your client get with us; we?ll make sure they get everything taken care of.

I?ll be the first to say that Totalavs pro is a hand full but for a few errors (that have been and are taken care of) all the problems are do to how the templates were setup and server problems. A script as large as Totalavs pro that has to work with many different billing systems and be as customizable as possible and have to work on EVERY unix server platform will have issues. PLUS just about every avs system owner wants their system custom at least in part. This is why perlcoders insists on doing the install, cause it isnt easy! We get everything from free avs setups to getting a free membership to a paysite along with a membership to the avs AND have both systems track the billing. I do my best to meet the needs of my clients and I know perlcoders has helped me with everything. If you have problems and are my client get with me plz or get with perlcoders for everything else.

http://hentaikey.com/ is one of the sites using the tavs pro and is currently making sales. They use both the new and old ccbill version.

Ryan
1-877-722-5932
adultdesignz.com

nuclei - you really do need to get rid of that thing about TAVS being bought....

Im another sale you lost because of it..........

damian it was removed earlier. The script was in process of being bought exclusively however the deal never went thru. The person who wanted it hit some snags and decided not to run with it.

Simple fact that can easily be verified.

Sorry, I wasnt questioning your reason for it being there...... I am sure it was just an oversight

It was one of those small things that tip the balance when you are looking for something like this.

As a guy who spent the money on PerlCoders TotalAVS Pro, let me just say this. DON'T DO IT! I've had so many troubles with this thing it's insane. Ryan from PC did his best to try and keep up with all the problems, but in the end he just couldn't keep up so he had to hire another guy to help him. When that guy couldn't fix everything and new stuff was popping up...I decided it was time to give up.

I have since hired a developer to write me a completely new backend which will be ready at the end of the month.

William is full of crap when he says he doesn't know about the problems because I emailed him and told him about them. Of course, he ignored me. His solution is to keep putting band-aids on it.

Bottom line: Don't waste your time or money on TAVS Pro.

-Jack (Blaze!)

Hi Blaze,

You seem to neglect to mention that the majority of problems were due to you wanting features the stock tavs pro doesnt come with and ryan took stuff made for other avs owners to do that job. You also neglect to mention that, Ryan from adultdesignz.com spent months trying to to make you happy by not only fixing umpteen html template errors that kept mysteriously getting in there, to adding features that TotalAVS was not meant to do for FREE. If you call that adding "Band Aids", then so be it. As I recall, the last thing you were actually griping about was the way the script worked with ccbill's system. Sorry, we dont control ccbill any more than you do. What I do know is that there are a great number of AVS's using TotalAVS, a number of which I mentioned above and a few I didnt even know about which I commented on in another thread started by kenny. Now why are these folks able to use it just fine and you never could?

Also, I might point out before you try saying next that maybe you got an early version, that gaysupersite and hentaikey were started and running before you ever got a copy.

William-

LOL! You aren't going to try to say this is My fault are you? Don't make me go dig out all the ICQ transcripts and emails that tell a different story.

By all the custom features I wanted do you mean the ability to track rebills, end pay periods, back up data, run the fraud checker, and loads of other built in things? Because none of those things worked in mine.

Ryan knows it and you know it too. When I'm not on my laptop tomorrow I'll pull some real interesting quotes from Ryan for you about your crap script. That is, if I'm competent enough to figure out how to cut and paste...

Jack, kindly explain to me how all these other sites, a number of which I mentioned above, are all using this "crap" software, making bank daily, having no probs, were running before yours, and you are having so many?


I do not want to get into a pissing match with you mate, but just explain the above please if you would
:)

Hey, I didn't write it and I didn't install it. I don't know what you have other people running, that's not my business. My business is that I paid full price for a script that was supposed to do X, Y, and Z. The problem is, mine only did X.

You guys sure did spend months trying to figure out what was wrong and trying to patch the holes, but there were just way too many major issues. I didn't pay to be a beta tester. I paid for something that worked. I've emailed you about it several times and even had Ryan tell you to contact me, but you decided you were going to ignore me. Now I guess this is how you want it to play out. That's fine...I can go that route.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Jack, I dont mean to dis you on this. But I am severly perplexed on how an exact same copy of the software running on all these other sites, is having problems that Ryan says are only in your's.

Now I did not work with you personally, Ryan @ adultdesignz did. So as I have said before, I may not know all the details, but I do know the same exact version you had was already running on over 20 avs's just fine, and your's was not. So yes, I am a tad perplexed as to why.

Nuclei,

How much do you charge for customization work on your scripts? Would it save a lot of hassle if I had you do the install directly [after the mods of course]?

Pimplink

I vote for seeing the ICQ/Email logs :)

William-

I know some of the problems were showing up in other installs as well, because I was talking to some of the other owners. They weren't as problem free as you seem to think.

You aren't trying to dis me but you post that the issues were my fault? That's a huge load of bullshit.

Jack, what I have heard is that Ryan sent taz in to fix templates, etc. Then some coder you tried called the script shit, and Ryan was locked out of the server? Is this correct?

Also, Is your coder one of the guys who posted above? The ones who wanted 5-6k to do an vs script?

I am assuming they are, and could be wrong, based on the fact you have never been to this board before, never posted before, and obviously someone made you come here.

Pimplink: installs are free as is continued support. Even blaze admits that ryan worked with him for months. As for custom mods, it depends on the modifications needed and I would be happy to supply prices for any mods you wanted upfront. In most cases the modifications are not really as hard as some would think and we generally dont charge you at all for those.

You know what William - you are acting like an ass. Not that it's any of your business, but no...I'm actually paying less for the work I am having done than I did for your script.

Your only goal is selling your script no matter what shape it's in. Tomorrow I'll go through all the ICQs and emails and I'll show everyone who is interested exactly what was wrong with your script and what your own employees had to say about it. Maybe I'll even throw in the email where I told you all about some of these issues you have "never heard of".

You say that someone had to work for months just trying to fix things, yet you also claim to have the cool super pro script. If its so problem free then why was someone needed to work for months on it? I call bullshit on the 'the script owner was screwing up templates' excuse, if it was all the webmasters fault you would have at least said something after the first month wouldnt ya? Would it be neccessary to hire another programmer to help if it was the webmaster changing templates?

Rory
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Rory: when you know what you are talking about come bitch. No other programmer was called in. Ryan is not my employee. Taz works or worked for another tavs owner and helps out occasionally and HE was who Ryan got to look at template probs.

Jack: you can think what you wish, I am honestly only trying to figure out why your install kept having problems when there are so many sites up and running fine. I never said we did not encounter problems time to time. I said that the site are up and running and making bank. Every large program has some issues between servers, thats common, but not like this.

In any regard, we tend to make sure these sites are up and running fine, not cut and run with anyones cash. I listed a number of sites that are indeed running fine and making bank. Check them.

Jack, lemme ask you something else please. If the script doesnt work, why are you still using it on ampass.com?
Your site seems to function pretty well to me, from what i can see of it anyways.

You keep running your sales pitch. I'll keep doing my part to let everone know exactly what your script did for me. Maybe I'll compile all the quotes and snippets into an easy web page...with some help of course. God knows I cant do a web page all by myself.

I think what Rory is referring to is when Ryan hired "Taz" to fix some problems that were unfixable to Ryan. Are you saying that didn't happen? I could pull those transcripts as well if you need a refresher. Taz was also an owner of TAVS and he had numerous problems as well. Of course, he must be an oddball as well...most people are "making bank".

PerlCoders installed a script that didn't work, put a guy on it who could not fix it, and then ignored me when it came time to make up for their poor product. Nice going William. You reap what you sow. Karma pays 10 to 1...the truth pays even better.

Are you going to answer my questions or just keep pissing mate?

Taz is not a totalavs owner. He worked for one. And that one is malepassword.com, who I mentioned above, if you look.

I did not try to hide anything, I gave the urls to live sites not owned by me or any employees, etc. that people can check out and see for themselves if they work or not.

Hell, it looks a lot like YOUR site ampass.com works fine, from what I can see. I notice it is still using TotalAVS too.

It's what you can't see that's the problem. All the sites in AmateurPass are mine. Why? Because I can't let any other webmasters into the program since the stats don't work, the pay periods can't be ended, the random list of sites can't be randomized, the fraud checker doesn't work...should I go on?

All it is doing right now is granting access to my sites until my new backend is completed.

ok, I didnt realize you owned allwives.com and amateurwives.com and I saw those in your listings, I assumed you had other webmasters participating in ampass.com

You assumed wrong. If you would like to send me an email at either of those two domains I would be happy to answer it.

Jack, again I really am just trying to figure out why all these other sites I have posted are running fine, yet you had so many problems comparably. As I said, any large script will encounter some problems between servers, but the amount of problems you had was very uncommon to say the least. The other sites are running and as I said, you can check them yourself, they are fully functional live sites. Go look and see for yourself.

Like I said, what other people are running I have no idea.

You decided a month or so ago that you didn't want to rectify the situation, you would rather just ignore it so now it will come to these types of public displays I guess. If you someday decide you want to work it out, my email address has not changed. Until then, I'll be happy to let everyone know what my experience was.

Jack, Umm you said yourself that Ryan worked with you daily to rectify it. YOU locked him out of the server when he got taz to go look at the templates according to him.

Besides, I love public. All advertising is good advertising mate. No matter how hard you try to slam anyone here.

For some reason that last paragraph doesnt sound right. It sounds like you are trying to tell someone who paid $2500 for your script that since it seems to be working for a few others that it must be his fault.

Sure I dont know anything. All I know is that a few months back I saw the tavs code and db structure and it was garbage. The thing has a ton of issues with it and it should have never been sold in such an unstable state. I really dont think you want to argue the fact that you were aware of several of these issues well before tonight , you dont wanna look like a total liar. The issue is the script was very buggy (even though it may work like a charm with a ton of db structure and code changes on some servers as you say) and should have not been released. The least you could do is give the guy his money back for the script if you cant configure it to work on his server. I just cant believe that you sold a totally insecure version that was able to add usernames just by hitting a url for $2500. For $2500 commercial script things like that shouldnt be 'overlooked'. There were several other major issues such as the data not being backed up correctly if some unknown file permissions werent set correctly..... the list goes on. You claim that ryan is not your employee, if thats true then why would you have him doing support for your script? All this just doesnt add up to me.

Rory
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Incorrect again, William. Taz had access to my server for a few weeks and he tried to repair some of the problems your script had. He too said some of them were beyond his scope and I decided to have a completely new backend done from scratch. Once I made that decision, I removed the access from PerlCoders since they would no longer need to try and fix the script I had given up on.

Where do you get this information from? It's complete revisionist history!

Yeh, it did come across that way, and that is my bad. But the fact is I fail to see why out of over 20 sites using the exact same software and up and running that his is having so many problems. As I said, check the sites listed, its very simple... you type in the URL and make an account and try them out.

Ryan is not my employee. He runs adultdesignz.com and has his own customers. He has some of his customers get our scripts that he is familliar with and he does his own installs/troubleshooting.