ATK cash shaves plain and simple ... heres proof
 

http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic.../01/?id=102886



click my new ccbill link .. then click join and select join by credit card

when you get the ccbill credit card info screen hot the back key like a surfer trying to make sure he wants to join the site

now what do you get??:Oh crap:disgust

you get this shit

http://atkingdom.review-network.com/...rough%20CCBill

:mad::

good thing I check everything out before I send anything

That's a traffic leak not shaving.

i run a network of computers and its funny because the system I signed up on will take me back to the previous page like it should but whn I log into another computer and click the same links i get the razor lol

thats not just a traffic leak.....

thats not on an exit thats on an incomplete signup

100% intentional

for me a complete and utte setup like this is nothing short of shaving

input type=hidden name=ccbill_referer value='1608530

clicked your link, went straight to join, clicked credit card, got sent to another page, clicked button & view source..

Fuckers

hahahahah it ust all got fixed now



lLMAO

goes back to the page it should now

wow man I tell ya

ok its back again

WTF

yeah that id ending in 530 is mine

what im pissed about is that once a customer finaly gets to see how much the site cost ... ( 30.00 permonth )

if they do not signup right at that very moment you lose the sale

a lot of people will hit the backspace key just to make sure its worth 30 bucks per month

but when they hit the back button they get a review page that you dont get credit for and it looks like the script does this to every fourth click or so

Do they pay affiliates for the sales through 2000charge?

2000charge?? where do you see that at??

My bad.. I saw id=102886 in your link above, so thought that was your id.. ok.. got ya now.. :1orglaugh


Still fucked up about stealing the back clicks though..

If they come back and join later how are you using the sale? I am sure the surfer is cookied with your ref id.

in order to complete a sale with that surfer at that point he would need to come in thru my original traffic source that got him there

but thats unlikely seeing as how now this http://atkingdom.review-network.com/...ugh%20CC Bill

is the only window he has open

any and everything relating to the transaction and or path to conversion we were on has now been discarded and the surfer is given the review site

where I am sure he will click the free links and pic ... no credit for me

and is 2000 charge epoch? if not then I have no clue how I would get paid via the euro signup option either


I swear when my program opens you will not see any of this shit......

I don't get this other page... my back button goes back to the tour.

That's pretty BS right there.. They are a CCbill revshare program, there should be NO consoles at all on their tours. Affiliates should get ALL credit on sales no matter what route the surfer takes.

It's not like they are paying out $35 a sale.

Never understood why programs do this kind of stuff. All it does is lower the conversion rates and the money affiliates make. Affiliates see that, then leave. No one who knows what they are doing would pull this crap.

In any case, I've blacklisted them.

Fully agree and blacklisted as well. Pass the word

it does it after 4 clicks or so and it will not do it on my notebook .. only when I logon to my other machine ( remote desktop )

im sure the script or cookie knows my webmaster PC and thus dosent show me the trick

but on the other machine its a free for all

Doesn't Stuart do the programming for that site ?

That's crazy stuff yo.

There is a javascript exit pop on the ccbill join page. I had to turn off the popup blocker to see it.

good shit!

yeah I see it now

im tellin ya , since another program burned me to a crisp, I check everything

the reason why I ask is because i remember him saying recently...


He seems to post here a lot. maybe he can stop in and explain whats going on.

Woot, never sent them a click, I must be getting good in my old age!

It's a shame, that a site as big as ATK does not use advanced and sophisticated affiliate software like NATS.

3 of the first 5 links lead to other ccbill id's on their 'Magazine Tours'.

Yeah and 1% of surfers click the back button from the join page.

Got Milk?

where did that stat come from??

I use my back key VERY OFTEN

if I were a surfer and the only way to see how much the site cost was to click thru the signup process and I did not feel ready to spend $30.00 or wanted to preview more first.... I would hit the back key

.... where in this case I would be greeted by more free pics then I could shake my dick at

Even if that figure was anywhere near accurate, are you OK with losing 1% of your income?

Personally, I'd rather not lose any money.

really if you look at it.. this is a dumb move even for ATK.... braincash owns the upsell console and ATK is just about giving them first chance at the sell ? the surfer has no clue what the site cost until the signup screen so if a surfer wanted to signup they would definitely have to click thru
now whether they think its to much or want to review the site more or anything? braincash immediately takes control of the surfer with the console

so the surfer gets upsold and ATK gets its cut and billy traffic guy gets sperm in his eye

So you're cool with losing one % of your money to shady biz?

It is too late sunday night for drama. Looks like Monday morning drama to me.

umm today was Monday and now it's Tuesday, where u been?

im in hawaii, its still Sunday here. :winkwink::1orglaugh



no shit, its already tuesday. I need more sleep, lose track of the days.

Oh, the irony.

We ned someone from ATK in here

Don't they not allow their content on skimming sites?
I guess it's ok for them to skim the affiliate? :error

:thumbsup

I doubt they'll show up. They don't seem interested in having affiliates at all.

I emailed them several months ago with a question about my link codes (I've had an account there for several years that I rarely used) and they never replied.
I guess they have enough money already, they don't need anymore. :2 cents:

I have an account too that I'm sending abit of traffic to, I mean I WAS sending traffic to.

bumping it up :thumbsup

wouldnt the cookie already be placed so it doesnt matter if they go back and forth? just a thought

I just got that popup after clicking back from ccbill form. I'm pulling all my links right now, my traffic is too good to waste it like that.

It matters if you lose the sale because of sending people back and forth.

not sure they're cheaters - so big so long hard work, why risk?

So, they have

1. A totally unrelated popup off the join page exit(on a tour that doesn't say the price, so surfers have to get that far to even check for the price).

2. Another processor they are not paying on?(2000charge)
3. 3 of the first 5 links on the 'Magazine tours' lead to different affiliate codes

Anything else?

It's an 'on-exit' console that pops from the join page. Not shaving - not even close. You don't lose credit for any sale because of it.

However, we've tried the console in this spot now for a few weeks as a test to see how it would perform and if there were any problems. While this is the first I've heard from ANY affiliates about it, if it's deemed a liability to the overall reputation of our program name it will be removed.