What about these?
2. Another processor they are not paying on?(2000charge)
3. 3 of the first 5 links on the 'Magazine tours' lead to different affiliate codes(members, help, contact links)

:Graucho

I like ATK.. I hope they resolve this. I'd rather wait and see how it pans out.

Which mag tours are you referencing? Post links...

All of them. The links you give out in the linking code section under "ATK Galleria Magazine Tour via CCBill's Hit/Referrer Tracking:", etc. for all sites.

Members, Customer Service, Contact Us. The latter 2 open in a new window and have join links under a different ccbill id.
The Members link the surfer has to try and login, but can't, and then is shuffled off to a different ccbill id.

Here is a link--
http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic.../02/?id=111111

so affiliate gets credit for conversions on the pop?

:(:Oh crap

but, but, but..... no one EVER clicks those links. Thats why we take the extra time to specifically code them so they drop the affiliate id... because NO ONE EVER CLICKS THEM!!

/end typical sponsor response to traffic leaks

Pussyserver you want drama, plain and simple - that's your objective, not the truth. Contact me via email, phone, or ICQ if you wish to discuss this.

ph 941-870-2880
ICQ 54403110
email '[email protected]'

I'm not going to keep bumping your thread titled "ATK CASH SHAVES - Heres proof" which is a blatant lie.

Now HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU KNOW what his real objective is?

What the fuck is it with sponsors caught with their hands in the cookie jar that immediately resort to calling their accusers haters and drama queens with an agenda?

If you did nothing intentionally FUCKING APOLOGIZE, fix the problem and move on. On or off the board, but act professionally, instead of blowing up smoke screens and dodging the issue by stating your accuser has an agenda.

Sheesh, I would've expected more from ATK. :(

Exactly, also I always love the "lets discuss this off the boards" routine trying to make the original poster guilty for even bringing this to the boards. There's obviously a problem, apoligize and fix it, its not going to just go away.

Any issues are being addressed. There are a couple of improperly coded links that need changed. No intentional shaving.

No one threw up smoke screens or blew up - get your facts straight. Oh wait, this is GFY...

End of story.

Considering those links I mentioned were brought to the attention of ATK over a year ago(privately via email), and promises were made to get them fixed back then, I have a little trouble with this.

I wasn't with ATK a year ago, and I didn't make the promise.

I'm telling you now, they'll be fixed. If you have trouble with that, I'm sorry, it's the best I can do.

Then I am glad you are there :thumbsup

spoke to gunner via ICQ and they are fixing any issues with the pop as well as the links

:thumbsup

spoke to gunner via ICQ and they are fixing any issues with the pop as well as the links

:thumbsup

find one kill one, no need talk.

fucker = always fucker

Not very professional approach on behalf of ATK. Sad...

Give us facts to base our facts on (like the ones quoted above) and we'll have straight facts, instead of mere speculations. Dodge the issue and expect people to start speculating. Anyway, this seems to be getting fixed, so I'll butt out of this thread now.

That's some shitty stuff from ATK. Plain and simple.

I'm only going to say this once... so please read carefully.

The pages to which a surfer is directed to after a failed login are static html pages. Why this is? I don't know. These pages all have last edit dates of 2004 or 2005. Many are even earlier than this.

ATKCash is a solid program that has been around for a long time, but it has made it's mistakes. For example, some of it's work was done via programmers who were great programmers, but didn't understand the affiliate/sponsorship model. This meant that "traffic leaks" happened, simply because they didn't have the foresite to recognize these things.

Gunner came on board only recently, and even more recently brought me on board. We've been working very very hard at recreating the entire program from the ground up, but this means that we've really only been able to give the existing system a portion of our time and have not really gone over every nuance with a fine toothed comb. We had no idea that these pages functioned in this way ( or don't function, as the case may be ).

ATK has never knowingly tried to mislead anyone, much less "shave" as the title of this thread suggests.

You've found flaws in our system, and you know what? We thank you for that. And we are working like mad to fix these flaws. Unfortunately this thread was posted at midnight my time and I hadn't seen it until this morning.

But as you can imagine, changing systems across multiple servers for multiple sites to ensure that proper codes are passed dynamically can take time. Especially on a system created almost a decade ago.

I can't speak for everyone at ATK but I promise you that I'm doing my best to fix these problems. Soon those pages will be php pages with dynamic codes... not html with static codes.

Tell Gunner or myself about these things and you will see changes. I promise you that.

:thumbsup

So easy to apologize after the fact... and after getting outed and making a bunch of $$$... You should issue a reimbursment to all your affiliates to show your good will. Affiliates dont want to have to find these problems. We send traffic and expect our traffic to go where they are supposed to go.

We need to setup some Affiliates Vigilante Group to out all the shavers, scammers, redirectors, cookie highjackers, etc... This has to stop!

Another option would be to use NATS or some other 3rd Party company to manage the integrity of the whole process. That way, we dont feel scamed and there is also appearance of fairness because the program owner doesnt control the affiliate/sales process.

NATS is a great system but you're only fooling yourself if you think that NATS has any control over where a surfer goes after a failed login attempt... or has any control over popups.... or...

you know what? NATS is a great system. Believe what you want.

[QUOTE=StuartD;13175596]I'm only going to say this once... so please read carefully...
QUOTE]

i only read the thread title: "ATK cash shaves plain and simple ... heres proof"

100%, without a doubt, ATK wouldn't intentionally shave from their affiliates.

:Graucho

you're right on this one.

I don't trust nats sponsors from day 1.

trust ccbill 100% because you can easy find where you got lost.

so that's why you're here!

nice reply Stuart, props to you for an intelligent, well thought out reply. And no i am not going to make stupid analogies, i am just going to compliment you where a compliment was due.

I agree 100% Jeff. No chance.

Only thing that caught me off guard was the exit console. Didn't think I would ever see the day that got signed off on.

Knowing Kim and ATK crew, i'd put my hand in fire for this.:2 cents:

Wow thats a bold statement! But yes I really don't believe they would intentionally shave anyone at all. There was a few mistakes on the tour which caused leaks but seems to be getting fixed so very positive. I just wish they would take away the exit popup.

Password posting dumb ass mother fucker.

All this just because of a pop console with different out bound referrals?
Fucking noobs confusing shit.
Thats not shaving.

I will take a look at ATK, thats what I get for assuming GFY Yellows have an ounce of intelligence.

ATK is a 100% honest program that runs on the principle of sacrificing short term profits for long term stability. Kim Nielsen is the head honcho there and he has more integrity in his little finger than whole groups of posters on GFY.

I haven't been posting much on GFY but I will always post when I see a program I have alot of respect for getting trashed like this. I can understand if you see a problem with a program, but calling them out for shaving in this manner is LAME and WRONG.

you are calling everyone who posted in this thread noobs??

just wondering

or just me for finding the issues??

just wondering ... I assume you bumped this thread to make some sort of point..... please make it!

isssue was discovered... program said they would fix issue...

thread was dead

then you bump the thread and call everyone who complained noobs??? I dont understand your logic

Yeah you are a noob.
What they were doing is not shaving.

I was NOT going to post in this thread because I didn't want to bump it, but since it is at the top...

With 100% certainty, I will say that any mistakes on ATK's part were inadvertent.

I would toss the keys to my house to Kim, with my 4 year old and 6 year old still inside, and go away for the weekend and never give it a second thought.


Just my 2 cents.

great :thumbsup

but you know instead of bumping this thread... you could have been repairing your hacked server and removing the virus from IALIEN.COM


but I guess you feel your time was better spent callin me a noob and bumping this thread lmao

oh yeah....


since I am a noob

you might want to remove this from your homepage if you ever expect the engines to take you serious...

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.... you are the fuckin noob dumb ass

sig too big

There ya go, thats the spirit, blaming the wrong guy again...
Thanks though, I will tell SplitInfinity they are getting there servers hacked and do the right thing to work with them to fix the problem.

See ya...

Noob.

no ... you are responsible for knowing your shit has been hacked

I have known your server was hacked since I saw in on IRC in freakin January

but I knew your were a piece of work and never informed you ( like I have other webmasters on GFY )

maybe if you stop and think before you atempt to do what you "think" is doing someone else a favor ... you should take a look in the mirror

seriously

Your designs are out dated and armature at best? seriously? who uses 1 large image file on their main index page in 2007 ? description text.. everything in one giant JPEG

You?re washed up ? time to move on? when was the last time someone gave you a project.. or substantial work? your skills are minimum.. and if you spent more time worrying about new ideas and maybe hoping you could learn to be creative? you instead decide to open a can of worms by attacking me

How dumb?

I advise you to step away from the computer and rethink your strategy.. maybe if you had a goal
I dunno

but yeah there is a channel on IRC with a backdoor to the server you are on running of a channel bot ... any random reboots lately:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

--I swear it seems any idiot can get in this biz

I am booked right now thanks:)

Did over 8K in design last month with 23 sites designed and 3 clients.
I think good business comes in when working with people professionally, even when I got a 5th of Jack Daniels in my hand. Thats when I am at my best.

People that use my site are silly, infact no one even goes to my site, my site is there simply for idiots like you thinking they can get a leg up talking shit about my design. Infact my site is nothing but a detractor, as shit fly's like yourself come to it thinking they can do what I do.

Infact I did business with no site for over 5 years! Wanna know why?
Because people come to me directly. Good designers are hard to find and I am good enough to fit that bill.

They know who I am, they know what I can do, unlike you.

So quit sniveling about my business and my lousy website that important people do not give a shit about.

Have a good day you genious.

are you asking for more ownage...?

one more post from you and the ownage continues in a major major way

I will say this one time... trying to save face is going to cost you dearly on this one ... in fact the damage will unrepairable

so are you still talking shit and want to get career ending owned.... or are you going to relax and leave me alone...

?

What island?

Less QQ and more PEW Pew Pussy server...

Be careful though ya might end up banned next...

out of repect for ATK im gonna let this thread die you unskilled fucktard

... but now you are on my shitlist

please stop bumping this thread

Yeah, you should know, you're very experienced at that. One would think you'd have learned when to keep your yap shut, but I guess learning isn't for everyone. :)