Michael Moore forgot one Important Factor in his Socialized Medicine Comparison.
 

Saw Siko yesterday..

HE forgot one important factor when comparing our US healthcare system to the UK system..

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...ion/index.html


At least our Doctors arent terrorists.

ANother reason Socialism just doesnt work.

Chances are if the doctors were actually paid in the UK I doubt they would be focused on terror.

Not to mention the quality of care would be better.

this is going to be fun to watch.

Have you ever met a British person with good teeth?

Yeah, there ya go. Socialized denistry at its finest.

Here in the US only the homeless have jacked up teeth as poor as the Brits.

I haven't seen you around where have you been hiding?

:)

That movie was so misleading it was disturbing.

There is no comparison to the QUALITY of care the US provides vs the UK system.

No comparison..........

You get what you pay for....

Ive been training getting in shape.

Riding my bike in a seattle to portland bike race.

Sounds fun, you'll have to post a pic.


:):winkwink::)

Only the strong survive..

Darwin would not approve of socialized medicine.

What a more disturbing way for the less fortunate to hold back the evolution of a society of the whole.

Only economic incentives bring out the best in Medical research, care and quality.

Nothing else..

Period.

I think the point he is trying to make is that the system needs to be fixed and shows how other countries have succeeded.

not only do we get better healthcare than you, its free

also while they were employed you do realise the terrorists probally gave better treatment than your best doctor.

well if you're not happy with the public system you can go private, there are plenty of doctors in private medicine in these countries who make huge money.

Wrong...

Socialized medicine will be the monkey on the backs of tax payers in these countries.

Furthermore quality of care is substandard in the MAJORITY of these socialized medicine Countries..

You know why Cuba had 5 cent inhalers?? Africa and other 3rd world countries?

Becasue the US gives away its EXPIRED and old medicine to these people.

BP - I lived in Canada all of my life and I moved to the US a few years ago. I have been in hospitals in both countries for life threatening illnesses.

US medical care is faster, more efficient and of higher quality in my opinion.

I have Blue Cross health insurance and the network hospital I went to was amazing and the services that ran over $30,000 cost me a $500 overnight copay. In Canada they'd keep me there for days running tests waiting for specialists to arrive from other provinces etc etc.

Bottom line is I'd rather get sick in the US with insurance than in Canada with socialized healthcare.

Having a socialised system COMPETING against a private system leads to more efficiency not less. What most people don't get is that these countries (not sure about Canada) are not purely socialised, there's a competitive private system working along side it.

Typical response from the brainwashed..

Propganda out weighs logic in the UK when it comes to healthcare..



Dental is covered there yes??

Why is it even the upper class have jacked up teeth??


It appears everyone is brought down to the lower levels of society in terms of care.

You'd never see a upper class person here in the US with jacked teeth..

Simply doesnt happen. Our insurance would pay for everything..


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people who dont want socialized healthcare are un educated narrow minded rednecks

FACT:

Only the poor and uninsured would have to stoop to low levels of care like the UK provides.

its called a sterotype you idiot

I posted information about what those countries spend on healthcare compared to the US earlier. The US now pays more for healthcare than France, Canada and the UK. We don't have to pay more money to get healthcare coverage for everyone, we just need to fix our system.

As for rankings, according to the WHO France has the top healthcare system in the world - we are at #37.

Also, no one is saying that we need to socialize the pharmaceutical industry but we do need to limit their lobbying practices.

Good one......

That shows how much of an idiot you are...


ITs the poor rednecks who want socialized free medicine.. They are the uninsured here..
They are the ones who cant afford to pay for their meds..

They are the unevolved.

Something Darwin refered to as the unfit.

Diabetes Is Better Managed In The UK Than The USA, New Research Shows


"Our evidence shows that universal healthcare when treating a common disease like diabetes, works," said Professor Arch Mainous from the Medical University of South Carolina.

http://www.medilexicon.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=50881

there you go you little bitch

Again you get what you pay for..

Im not arguing how much we pay. But you get what you pay for. And the quality here is the key.

#37 huh? Im willing to bet that many above us in that "better" list have substandard quality issues that would never pass here in the US.. That is FACT.

Socialist propganda...



I assure you the upper class insured here in the US get far better care than the UK system..

That is another fact.

typical don't have a clue response. If you want US style medical care in the UK you can pay for it via health insurance in the SAME way.

Socialised medicine isn't about making sure people have nice teeth.

Just because Darwin described natural selection, it doesn't means he thinks that's how we should live our lives. Our ability to transcend natural selection is what raises us above the rest of the animals

Yeah, but whats the quality of Health care in the US when you can't afford it. Case in point MLK Hospital just a couple weeks ago that woman died right there in the Emergancy room, and the staff just ignored her.

damn you must have a nice policy! my wife is on bluecross/blue shield and she went to the ER a few weeks ago because we thought her appendix was going to go. er visit that night and 1 shot, then er visit the next morning for a checkup was $600. fucking high deductibles lol

Dont let the bullshit fool you.

The Insured here in the US get the best care in the world.

The uninsured are what suffer.

Simple fix: Get a fucking job and get insured.

Although I do think that everyone should be entitled to decent health care, I do see the advantages of it being private too.

I haven't seen the movie yet, do they mention the Canadian system? What does he say about it?

I was born and raised in Canada and despite having free health care, you also have to wait for months on lists to get certain things done where in the US you could pay and have it done the next day. I also worried that a lot of Canada's medical talent would move to the US in search of more money...

Here is the link to the article based on the WHO's rankings:

WHO Health Rankings

And you are right that those with money in the US get top notch care but we are talking about covering everyone not just the rich.

usa spends the most on its health system and is 37th in the world

usa has the 17 lowest life expectancy rate in the western world

Boneprone stick to gambling something you know what your talking about.

Yep and that was very very sad.. Accidents do happen in all healthcare systems..

You can pin this on the economic system.

Much to simplistic..

Like all of Michael Moore's Points..

People are sheep..

What power this guy has.. Its good to make people think yes. Thats great. But think for yourself.

Haaa! Im a horrible Gambler.. You know that!

What a low blow. That was just mean!

Besides most people who know me know that before I got into adult I was in Healthcare..

I have a Masters Degree in Public Health and was going for my PHD in healthcare adminstration before I went to the dark side.. (you should also know i like to push people's buttons)

You work for an HMO?

LEts not leave Canada out of this Argument.

Your system is even more fucked up than the UK system..

How is a public funded and private ran system really supposed to work..

It cant.

Boneprone your the typical patriotic american, your closed minded and can not accept critisism towards your country

its people like you why america has gone to the shitter

you do realise with universal healthcare you can also go private if you have the money/insurance ?

its a win/win situation and i dont see what the problem is

and dont say taxes because in the uk we only pay like 2-4 % more than americans.

Or what bankrupts you.

I think the main point of Moore's flick was that healthcare isn't evenly distributed here.

Access is the problem... not quality. The quality here is great, but that doesn't mean much to a good number of Americans.

Some Americans can't get insured no matter what - simply because they have diabetes, or some other common ailment, and make over $30k a year.

People's lives are being ruined while insurance companies and drug companies report record profits.

The average lifespan of Americans is, on average, lower than in other industrialized nations because of that crap.

If you don't think something's wrong with our healthcare system, either step out of your bubble and open your eyes (as I recently had to) or get your head checked, imho.


As far as those doc's... fuck 'em. "Do no Harm," my ass... assuming they're convicted, strip them of their license, and throw away the key, I say.

HMO's are essential systems in managing cost containment within the healthcare system..

And no, I dont work for an HMO..

Jesus...

Were you born yesterday? Dont you know who the fuck I am?

Im Boneprone.

WOW I would have to totally disagree with you on the whole teeth thing!
Have you ever been to TN?

I must be the only educated person on GFY when it comes to healthcare.

This is just unreal..

Wow.

Exactly..

They cant afford dental care... SO its horrible... But thats the argument here.

The argument is if you compare the people who get dental care between the US and the UK there is no comparison.

You must be the only educated person here. Someday you may actually run a business where you decide to provide health coverage for your employees. You'll love the annual increase in premiums and the compaints from your employees when they learn that their doctors no longer take that insurance due to low payouts to health practitioners.

You're not.

Blah blah blah.....

Have you heard of preventivie medicine??

Thats the answer.. Not socialized medicine.

Your argument would apply much more fitting and argument for Preventive Medicine.

Something a contained system like an HMO could implemement much more effective than a government ran healthcare system.

Diabetes, obesity, High Blood Pressure are many of the reasons we as Americans have health issues.. They are all factors that could be avioded thorugh preventitive medicine. Not socializing our system.

You think the current system likes or wants this?

No.. An HMO does not...

BP didn't you have a background in healthcare? Your ramblings show little wit and insight. You may also want to consider responding to the few intelligent posts in here instead of avoiding them and continuing your blind rant...

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My employees are in Turkey and over seas..


I would never pay an American to work for me. They simply cost too much and work half as hard.

Yep..

I have a Masters Degree in Public Health and some time in a PHD program in Health Care Administration.

I could run laps around anyone in an argument on how an HMO is better than a Socialized system.