Why 99.9% of TGP/MGP Submitters earn $0.00
 

And there are some who earn tens of thousands of dollars daily.

Lets talk about a few of the big mistakes, this should help some people here, not intended to bash anyone.

A few pointers and I hope others will add to it.

Common one:

What sponsor has hosted galleries? = TGP submitter about to convert NADA

Anyone making decent money submitting to TGP's and MGP's grabs content from a members area and creates their own templates etc, most affiliate programs offer free FTP hosting.

Yeah I know its hard to grab content from a site based on plugins but guess what surfers are becoming smarter daily and can spot a plugin site quick.

Its funny the last thing a TGP/MGP submitter will blame is themselves, everyone is at fault but them, the hosting company sucks, third party billers save everything etc.

List some other common mistakes.

make sure that's legal first. 99% of the content ive bought cannot be used by affiliates in that way. maybe its only true in the gay market, but content providers are extremely protective of their content.

Promoting non exclusive content on TGP/MGP's is a big mistake.

And most if not all exclusives can be used wherever however you want.

Most people also give up after a month or so. The first month(s) you won't make shit.

Also, without partner accounts you won't get anywhere these days.

I'm speaking from my own experience.

great advice

Its so easy to make money submitting galleries. It really doesnt take a high iq to figure it out you need good templates, a good sponsor, non over saturated pics, a good submit program (non automatic) and partner accounts.

> Why 99.9% of TGP/MGP Submitters earn $0.00

Too many porn for free

yeah, the bigger money cant be made promoting hahahahahaha cutter feed-based & bulk content filled sites. which makes you wonder why these large companies are falling all over each other to put them out.

again, going back to the gay market, a lot of sites with exclusive stuff just shit themselves if you use their content on a tgp. i dunno why, its their loss.

Build your own submit list and group the recips intelligently.

As a owner of several black tgps... I see galleries submitted by auto submitters everyday.....

Nothing pisses me off more than seeing my recip with some shemale or gay site....

I have banned for less

The problem is that the spammers and cheaters have screwed everything up. I am trying to get partner accounts to submit CuteCouples galleries and I am having a hell of a time. A lot of places won't even let you apply for partner status, now, and many that do let you apply never get back to you.

I have exclusive content, a fresh site and decent design skills but I am still spinning my wheels as far as gallery submission goes. If you can recommend MGPs worth posting to where the webmaster actually gets around to approving partner accounts, let me know.

SpaceAce

Your a bit too picky :)

So why do paysites bill about 10 billion a year?

Most of the traffic to paysites are from TGPs/MGPs and SE's

Again blame it on free porn, blame it on shaving, blame it on slow hosting but the truth is if you take the time and are creative you can make lots of money.

I collected 70 partner accounts in a week but i have to say most are for smaller sites. The big sites, you either have to know to owner or pay.

Yeah people give up too early. They come in looking for the fabled easy porn money and realize.. holy fuck this is work!

Luckily 3 more rise to take his place. :1orglaugh

I know, I know.... but I doubt I am not the only tgp owner that does this. :)

list? :Graucho

no

damn, and i was expecting it too :1orglaugh

It's all about traffic quality. That's what determines how well you'll do in this business.

If you have shit traffic you'll make nothing.

If you have uniquely procurred and/or targeted traffic you'll do fine.

And of course you need a presentation that sells also with unique looking pics.

Submitting one gallery daily for years now, always used content from bulk deals like "100 sets for $999" In my experience what you're promoting is much more important then the content you use on your galleries.
Last year I decided to design custom tours (with exclusive content) and link to join pages of sponsor programs. Instantly the monthly revenue went from $2000 to $3500/$4000.

"What I can't understand is why sponsors allow join page linking nowadays. I make the surfer horny with my exclusive tour, the surfer signs up and sees a bunch of plugins. Very likely he will cancel right away, but $35 in my pocket for a $2,99 trial."

Also I would advice to submit galleries in a niche you are fimiliar with and it also helps if you know the webmasters in that niche.
You can get more signups being listed at 10 quality niche tgp's then using russiansubmitter and submit to 1000 tgp's.

Just my experience/opinion.......

GOOD ADVICE

My best traffic comes from SE's and other members areas

The big sites are the ones that drive all the signups, in my experience. I wouldn't mind also submitting to 70 smaller sites but I don't know of 70 sites getting enough traffic to make it worth my time. I've been mostly out of the TGP game for a while, now, and starting from scratch is rough. I have business relationships with many TGP and MGP owners but not enough to make it profitable to only deal with the people I know personally or have done business with.

SpaceAce

just a question, do you think paysites would earn more without free porn?

Most start submitting gallereis cause they think it is easy money. I submitted galleries fulltime for 3 years straight and the start is always tough, as in most jobs.
Its just not easy if you start gallery submitting (specially nowadays) and people start bitching about everything when they don't see a sale within the first week.

Work on your marketing skills, work on the best way to crop your thumbs, dont think it is easy, etc etc

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1. keep the ad in a central location that the eyes are naturally drawn to

2. describe what is good AND different about the product you're selling. to me, it's obvious that there is NOTHING different about having thousands of pics in a paysite. what about that paysite stands out from the herd? what niche is it? babes? there are a thousand sites about babes - what is different about these babes?

3. make sure your content represents what you are marketing. don't put up an ugly 30 year old chick and say she's a babe or a teen. if you want to use her, make an avs site about "average chicks" and use her to market that.

4. use keywords and trigger phrases. don't be afraid to use a strong keyword twice on a page. if your gallery is uncut cocks, you can say "UNCUT" in both the top and bottom links.

5. don't make the links to your sponsor subtle!!! a lot of us our trained to be subtle, but in advertising you have to be obvious. you can tell your surfer to click, make the text fairly large, make it a bright color. as long as it doesn't fuck up your gallery's appearance, let the surfer notice the sponsor links as soon as he notices the thumbs.

6. don't rely on sponsor banners. always use some linked text to sell a site, and pick the banner with the most of whatever the site is about on it.

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:2 cents:

NO

You need the free porn teasers to sell memberships.

What I do think would be good is if submitters knock some common scence in their head as well as paysite owners and figure out the difference between a teaser and between jerkoff material.

To many times ive come across galleries that has 40 pics or long movies allowing people to just get off for free.

another mistake imo, its not for a fact that the bigger sites make more sale. Maybe they send you more traffic but thats worthless if you can't convert it.

how do you define a teaser?

Name One ! :Graucho

anyway i see what your point is
:glugglug

just enough to make them click through :2 cents:

Words of wisdom: SEO all sites enough so that they'll be spidered and archived for quite some time.

Network, network, network. In the TGP game, it's not what you know, but who you know. If you're not in yet, your only hope is making nice with people at shows, or by offering services in exchange for listings.

Use unique templates. You'd be surprised at how many sites won't list the same templates repeatedly, yet they'll list similar content if the gallery template is a huge variation. I've seen it done hundreds of times and it never fails. It's the template that gets you listed the majority of the time.

Make sure you list your galleries in the right niches. If you market a facial site in an asian category because the talent is Asian, you're losing out. The surfer will not join a multi-racial facial site if they are seeking strictly asian.

Monitor your stats and don't submit to sites that won't list you. It's always a good thing to keep your submit list fresh and up to date. Why waste time recip'ing on TGP's that won't list you?

Yes, but traffic that converts at 1/10 is no good if you can't get more than 1 hit/day. The big sites are definitely where the volume money is at. Submitting to 300 tiny little sites may yield better results on a per-hit basis but it won't yield the raw dollars you want. I would rather make 10% profit on a million dollars than 90% profit on $10,000.

SpaceAce

Having your own TGP helps alot (for me that is) if you want partner accounts. Most people get right back at you if you run a TGP yourself, because they tend to thrust TGP owners more....:2 cents:

this has become a pretty interesting thread

ofcourse, tiny little sites aren't the ones I mean. What I mean is that there are more sites out there than TheHun, Worldsex and Al4a. It is not a must to get listed there in order to get the most signups, there are lots of smaller 50k and up sites out there who can give you better results, so I am not talking about the 100 hits tgp wonders out there :winkwink:

I was a TGP owner for a long time, I no longer am. While I was running TGPs, I didn't have much interest in submitting galleries. Now that I no longer run TGPs, I want to submit galleries. Funny how things work out sometimes.

SpaceAce

I see what you mean. Let's say you took ten of these 50K TGPs and submitted one gallery to them per day. How many signups per week would you expect that to produce? One mediocre listing on the Hun can easily be worth 10 signups but of course it's not easy to get listed on the Hun unless you pay (not that there is anything wrong with paying for links).

SpaceAce

so simple :winkwink:

You said it yourself, it is harder to get listed on the big guys without paying for them :)

You know after all it depends on your marketing skills, I think it is funny when I read posts about people not/hardly making any sales when listed on theHun and blame him for having a freeloaders paradise. While others make 10-20-or even more sales from the same listing :)

haha yes :thumbsup

:glugglug

bah, I just think its the whole tgp concept that makes it so hard to sell ... we need something new, stop it with the damn 10,000 copycat tgps :-P

Great thread (Bookmarked for future reference)!

What I learned is that softcore galleries get less traffic but convert better if the tour behind it is hardcore.

Hardcore galleries do more traffic but less conversions.

It's obviously not wrong to talk about the need for partner accounts these days, but it's something of a red herring because the vast majority of submitters have never made any money to speak of.

And there is a lot of myth in many of the other points that have been raised here: for example the small TGP v large TGP issue. One large TGP springs to mind which accepts and posts galleries all day long, so your gallery appears but immediately slides down away from the zone which generates most clicks. Some small TGPs are set up in ways that filter traffic better that the big essentially one-page sites, and such that some traffic is still coming through months later. In other words if there is a good and bad, it's more complex than simply big or small.

Someone else said to place your main ad in the middle, where it grabs attention. Good advice on the face of it, but a lot of TGPs won't accept that layout. Yet another praised the benefits of exclusive content, but after 5 years of submissions I don't believe the average surfers has a clue, or cares, whether content is exclusive or not. Only what it is...

Very few galleries make you sit up and take notice: whether it is because the design is mediochre, or the content is ordinary, or there is no sales pitch, or whatever. But surely it's obvious that one way or another a gallery must have the "Wow!" factor if it is going to persuade someone to get out his credit card, instead of just passing on.

It is also worth pointing out that some categories are vastly over-subscribed: much more popular with webmasters than they are with surfers, perhaps in part because content is easier to find. This means your chance for a good listing (even for being listed at all) is less. And if you are listed, you are going to be pushed out of the way faster. That, rather than any inherent virtue in promoting niche sites in general, is why some people report good results from niche sites.

This has to be the most interesting thread i have read for ages. cheers :thumbsup

well if there was no free porn everyone would have to pay for it

that's like saying "would people drink more coke if there was no water"

there will always be water

100% Correct. Every single TGP I submit to, I have a partner account with.

I agree :)

I think these goes hand in hand with what Escort Biz said Above

It would be nice to see TGP's just listing softcore/no nudity galleries, as a result it would definetly increase sales but unfortunetly there is no way to regulate an idea like that and as soon as one TGP went back to listing hardcore galleries the surfers would follow suit.

It's still very possible to get over 200,000 pageviews to your galleries daily with submitting to only like 20 - 30 TGP's

You just have to get a list together with sites that regularly list your galleries. Make something unique which looks much better then the average gallery. If you can't design a template, hire someone who does have design skills. It really makes a huge difference when your gallery looks above average quality

Hey,,,that's my secret.:winkwink: