You hit the nail on the head.


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what the fuck did you just say?

where the heck does it come into this fuckin thread?

I don't make shit from galleries :thumbsup

exactly

After getting ~2000 submits daily between 2 of my sites I stopped taking regular submits. I thought that taking everyone in would be good because a lot of n00bs have good ideas that can help both me and him... however there are toooooo many fucking cheaters who redirect to sites that install trojans and shit like that.

So I decided to go mostly FHG and my own gals. Yes I am fucking over my submitters but I am still taking partner submits and those are the guys who actually make money because they have quality content, their own tours and exclusive content. The rest just take a free hosted gal, click file, save as, put my recip and upload and submit. FUCK HIM, put some effort into a gal to make it look original and maybe sales will come in.

I think the generic size banners are useless, I like making my own, bigger but not retarded. Also I agree that choosing the content is a must, pulling images from FHG's sucks bigtime, not only in quality sometimes but also 35454 people have used them.
I don't make 10,000 a day, but I do well I think for what I do.

lots of great awesome advice in this thread thanks everyone

the question is will TGP and MGP submitters learn from this or will they think they are different because they know better then everyone.

I don't think, humbly speaking, I can get better how I do it now. I could do better if I submitted everyday, which I don't, and maybe explore other niches, and maybe start buying the $1200 spots. Oops, theres 3 ways I could get better! But I am hapopy the way I have it set up now. :)

what exactly do you mean by partner accounts?

very useful post :thumbsup

Preffered submitter status, sometimes auto posted.

Very true, EB. Another thing that happens is that they tend not to treat it as work. Big mistake. The second you stop thinking about your TGP submitting etc as something other than requiring your full attention, you are going to have problems.

there is money in submitting for people if they are willing to take th time and find out what works best for them, talk to site owners, and actually take it as a job and not playtime to make beer money.

You can make a living off gallery submitting.

Great thread, EB!

My own experience for a gallery formula that works is:
- friendly relationships with some of the biggest TGPs to get frequent listings of high volume traffic
-a partner account from a handful of very targeted niche themed TGPs that match the content/sponsor
-Hand built templates with SEO kept in mind
-Exclusive content from member's areas

Unfortunately I just don't have the time to keep up with the manual submits anymore so I am falling off hard on my gallery work, also I've found it very difficult to get the attention of TGP owners to get submit accounts consistently (despite all the good work listed above)

One more thing - manual submitting seems to be the best way to get real results, so i'm wondering if these outsourced labor shops can do the job right or not? $5 Subs, webmasterlabor, etc.

Has anyone used these services? How do they do compared to you doing your own submits?

i've been submitting galleries and making a living for 5+ years, but lately i find that even with partner and preferred submit accounts a lot fo my big traffic sources are goingthe paid route. places i got listed everyday at like mark's, ampland, video-post and had great relationships with just kinda blew off longtime submitters to go the paid route. between those 3 sites alone that's like 75k in traffic daily to my galleires that was gone in the blink of an eye.

If anyone is interested in giving out partner accounts a moderate traffic'd tgp's to an honest webmaster who'll give you 2 clean galleries daily, let me know...

-fish

You have to build a good reputation when submitting.. Submit 1 gallery a day for 2 months straight. With the 60 galleries submitted you WILL make some money if you know what you're doing - if you can't even cover the hosting bill GET OUT RIGHT AWAY.

Get your own hosting for your galleries, and make sure it's a sold host because you will get traffic to those galleries down the road and hopefully make sales from galleries you submitted 2,3 months ago even more.

Start applying for partner accounts at medium size TGPs and then at bigger TGPs. You gotta go small than big.. When you apply for partner accounts at the big TGPs mention at which sites you are already a trusted submitter..

Talk to TGP owners and other submitters - this is the only way you are going to get partner passwords at bigger TGPs.

I applied at a pretty big text TGP 3x with my sample galleries - never got a reply from them. I got recommended by another submitter to the owner of that site, and now he lists 2 of my galleries daily..

The more partner accounts, the more quality traffic you will get, the more sales that will result in.

Indeed a VERY good thread. Not very usual here recently... Thanks :thumbsup

One other thing I didn't mention was choosing the right sponsor.. don't choose a sponsor that you see on every friggin' TGP site, choose something new and something that is not highly saturated by other submitters..

If a reviewer sees 5 similar galleries promoting the same site, he probably won't list your gallery even if you have a partner password.

If you are the only one promoting a new sponsor and your galleries are different from day to day (5,6 templates rotating) then you will get listed definitely..

what an amazing amount of good info.

:)

movie tours convert nicely, but you do lose out a little since not everyone is on broadband yet

Instead of sending the surfer to a sponsor, I created a premium AVS site with a unique theme (cartoon figure...) that matches my gallery template so I have created a brand. Since its an AVS, if the surfer doesn't want to join, I have links for more porn to my hub site for that niche that has hosted galleries and links to my other AVS sites...and I have made sales that way as well.

this thread should help many

glad everyone is lending a helping hand with advice

There are 3 things to remember when trying to make money from galleries.

1) Content is king
2) Content is king
3) Content is king

The content on your gallery is representative of what the surfer thinks he'll get if he joins the site you're plugging.
If the content is shit, he'll think the site is shit. If the content is primo, he'll think he can get more just like it if he joins.
Its as simple as that.

Don't listen to all the people whining about too much free porn and if you give the milk away they won't buy the cow....yada yada yada.
All the people who bitch about things like that are the people who AREN'T making money off of TGP traffic.

With other types of traffic it is possible to tease the surfer into joining. With TGP traffic you just can't do it, how can you tell them they have to join to see the hardcore when they know they can click their back button and get 1000's of hardcore pics back at the TGP?
You have to show them the best you've got and hope they can't live without it.

:2 cents:

Another thing to consider is that it pays to be on top.

Getting in front of the surfer first is a "force multiplier" that will greatly increase your galleries profitability.
A gallery listed in the number one spot on any given TGP will get 2-3 times as much traffic as a gallery listed in the middle or on the bottom.
Why?
Because only half the surfers make it to the middle of the page, they've either already gotten off, already joined a site, or already gotten bored and surfed off to another bookmark.

Once you find a combination of content, paysite, and page layout that sells, take the money you've made off of the free traffic and RE-INVEST it into your business by buying top spots at some high quality sites.

Rinse, repeat.

this one is a great thread! thanks alot guys!

I think I approved you last night. If not hit me up again. webmaster(at)creamshots.com

Very VERY true. The average TGP porn surfer doesn't care if he can get anything for free. The most important thing he wants is quality porn. PORN HE LIKES! He will join a paysite if he got teased by great quality teasing pics, he will join because he wants more of the same quality stuff!

jew welcome

Hi, WarChild. I don't think I'd gotten around to applying at Creamshots, yet, but I will do so now. Did someone apply with SpaceAce as a username or something? Anyway, I will definitely email you right away.

SpaceAce

As in life, networking is very important if you're going to be a successful TGP submitter.

this is true, warchild approved my partner account in about 35 seconds...

Thanks, anyone else got some room for me?

WarChild, what sites do you run?

Creamshots.com

Wow, I had no idea. I sure as shit am glad I never went the TGP route, but it does look like a lot more work than I thought originally. Still though, it's just getting into a rhythm, and if you can't manage to do that, fuck off, I don't care how much you like porn. Don't worry, we'll still let you post here.

I really do think if there were a contest out there amongst newbies for TGP's with cash prizes about who can get the most partner accounts, traffic, and quality conversions I think I would take the cake, just because I'm used to working hard for my traffic. I deal with search engines only. May it be organic or ppc, it's still hard work, nothing comes easy in this business.

You TGP guys definitely have it easier than us SE guys, that's for fucking sure. So why aren't you all making enough bank to at least cover convention events??? The answer is just lazyness. It's that whole mindset of "the porn industry is easy money".

Since I'm not a TGP webmaster, I can't really offer any solid advice on that front, but I'm sure there are similarities to SE's where QUALITY OVER QUANTITY is the name of the game. It just seems wiser to follow what people here have said, produce quality unique templates and content, get a quality sponsor, and aim for the smaller guys. Build your contacts up. Shit, you can pull off a positive TGP cashflow with the IQ of a retarded monkey I'm sure.

So enough posting here, get to work you slackers!

Correct.

thank you for the tricks... i'll try not to do the mistakes...

let us know how things went :-)

What a great thread. Thanks guys.

I'm just about to start getting into TGP. I have my good templates, my fresh paysites, and my quality content. Working on getting the partner accounts now.

I'll have to remember to check back on this thread again for more great tips.

How does the TGP/MGP owner make their money? Is it on a click-basis? Who pays them if bigger sites are submitting to them for the traffic? One last thing, what does SE mean? Sorry, new to the whole idea.

Dont give away my secrets! :) Hehe, theres more to that, but its so true :thumbsup

Great to see a really informative thread!

I have been posting to mgp's on and off over the last year and have gotten ok at it, however TGP I have never done well at.

I Have a few questions I would like you Escortbiz or some other knowledgeable ppl to answer:

1. Do you think it's imperative to get the content from the paysites member area, as opposed to downloading it from the webmaster area (the webmaster one of course being exposed a lot more on the net)?

2. What is the best method for getting partner accounts? (I have always just used the forms they have on the tgp/mgp's and often dont even get responded too) So some tips for getting partner accountsy?

3. Is it essential to use a program like advanced submitter or chemeleon?

4. How many if any sites do you auto submit to? I know a lot of sites dont accept auto submitters, but if I'm using chameleon or AA, should I set any tgps to auto?

5. Is it essential to post more than a gallery a day, bearing in mind that there are a lot of large sites that restrict the ammount of times u can submit each day?

6. Lastly,how many sites do you submit to to make really good money with tgps?

Thanks, it would be of great help if anyone could help me with these questions. I've been in the adult biz for about 6 years, however mainly focussing on the now dying avs business.

thanks

First, check whether that is okay: not all sponsors allow it. My take is that when you can, this is the best route if you are promoting a recurring sponsor. If promoting pay-per-sale it doesn't matter (to you) if the surfer is pissed because the model you teased them with isn't inside.

That said, content in most webmaster areas is fairly horrible and when not, likely will be well exposed. But the main thing is to get eye-catching content (easier said than done), regardless of where it comes from on the sponsor's site, or if you buy it.


Although only the owner of some small TGPs, I used to get 300+ partner requests a month, which is way more than I need. So many TGPs simply don't need more submitters, even though they leave the form up. Make sure your samples follow the rules and represent your best work. Follow up by ICQ or email if you don't get a response. And if all else fails, try every month or so. You may land at a time when they are looking to add some new names.


It isn't essential to have special submission software. It isn't particularly difficult to make your own submit page and do the rest with Roboform or something similar. But the answer depends on the strategy you intend to follow and there isn't one right answer.

There is a lot of BS written about good and bad TGPs, the vast majority of which is not based on testing, but because someone has bought into what someone else has written on a board. If you ever try to properly test the quality of the traffic from different TGPs, you soon realise what a lengthy, time-consuming and largely impossible task it is.

So you take your pick. Whichever way you go you should build a list of say 50 TGPs to which you submit by hand. That would include the bigger TGPs relevant to your niche(s) and as many partner accounts as you can get (probably working your way down from the biggest general TGPs until you have a decent list). After that, it is your choice whether or not you auto-submit to all the others.

My view, although based only on my own prejudices, is that traffic quality is better from the smaller TGPs. So although I wouldn't spare the time to submit to them by hand, an auto-submitter like Chameleon is a good way to pick up extra hits for minimal effort.

It's impossible to answer your question 6. I have seen people claim to make money from 20-30 TGPs and others swear by submitting to hundreds. It depends on your galleries, your sponsor, your niche, which TGPs are on your list and likely as not, according to which direction the wind is blowing that day.


Depends entirely on how successful one gallery is for you, how much money you want to earn, and how (if you plan to break the rules or only submit more than one to those which permit it) good you are at covering your tracks.

Hey jayeff, thanks for taking the time to answer all those questions, that was really helpful. I agree about the smaller tgp's btw.

We accept partner accounts : www.traffictgp.com

LOL things must be bad around here if this thread can be declared as a great source of information. Looks more like stating the obvious to me.

If you have good ideas or opinions keep them to yourself. The public talking days are over. Talk only to those you network or partner with, and even then limit what you say.

Big mistake thinking boards like this are a cosy little community where you can have fun and spill a few beans. You are on your own in this business, think otherwise and the wheels will fall off.

I know what your getting at dopy, but it doesnt matter what is said, most people will not act on information, it's the way it is. Look at all the webmaster resource boards and their articles, if you seriously followed them, then you would be very wealthy.

It doesnt hurt to share a bit of information now and then, its not gonna change your bottom line.

This has got to be the most informative thread I have seen for a long time.
I have only submitted a few galleries, basically just testing out things. I used an auto submitter and only averaged about 2k hits per gallery, most from the same TGP.

Could anyone recommend some TGPs to submit to by hand which don't require partner accounts?

I just want to get some traffic to some galleries so that I can test things out and learn more about galleries as a casual thing.

Any suggestions appreciated.