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Choker 04-19-2011 12:17 PM

It's official now-myfreecams.com is a game changer
 
I predicted some time ago as many others did that this site would be a game changer. Well many people said no the idea is dumb. Well I have like 8 cam sites with this tipping model buying from me right now, some have showed me thier stats and I'm completely blown away. Personally I thought cam sites would have decreasing sales but I was wrong.

Agent 488 04-19-2011 12:19 PM

porn never died, just the paysite model.

Roald 04-19-2011 12:20 PM

If anything is going up its our cam sales.

Choker 04-19-2011 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 18070271)
If anything is going up its our cam sales.

You have a ton of traffic too, so this confirms again for me, cam sites are really doing good right now

Fat Panda 04-19-2011 12:23 PM

I personally dont see how pay per minute sites can compete with myfreecams chatting with an actual chick before ever pulling out the credit card

LeRoy 04-19-2011 12:26 PM

Cams are winning right now! IMO the free cams help ours sales too.

There's a lot of people out there that love "private" sex shows with a live person. So the game changer works both ways.

C H R I S 04-19-2011 12:26 PM

Cams and Dating are both doing great... I too have several of these "Free" cam sites buying from me in large volume.

Choker 04-19-2011 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAC (Post 18070291)
I personally dont see how pay per minute sites can compete with myfreecams chatting with an actual chick before ever pulling out the credit card

Me either, I personally think the whole idea of paying a girl on a cam site is pathetic, HOWEVER, browsing some of these tipping based cam sites even I have been tempted to tip some of these girls, especially the ones that bust their ass for hours and stick everything they own up their ass and pussy in order to get guys to tip. It's the "damn I feel bad for that girl shes working her ass off I gotta give her a couple bucks" thing, lol.

Jack Sparrow 04-19-2011 12:43 PM

Really dude? How slow are you?

Choker 04-19-2011 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow (Post 18070350)
Really dude? How slow are you?

Not as slow as you obviously. Your site is 404 idiot
http://www.free-cams.co.uk/

You should change your nick to GFY Jester. I guess you made it Jack Sparrow as he's a pirate and your from the Netherlands? Pirates were English idiot, your thinking of Vikings. Wow

Choker 04-19-2011 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow (Post 18070350)
Really dude? How slow are you?

Oops! Internet Explorer could not find www.free-cams.co.uk
Did you mean: www.hafreecams.hacom

LOL

xsabn 04-19-2011 12:53 PM

i also run a cam studio, had girls making $600 / day from tips on MFC
also AdultWork.com works great for studios and models

Both these sites are different on the cam industry.

fatfoo 04-19-2011 12:57 PM

Congratulations on profitable cam site.

Choker 04-19-2011 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xsabn (Post 18070385)
i also run a cam studio, had girls making $600 / day from tips on MFC
also AdultWork.com works great for studios and models

Both these sites are different on the cam industry.

Ah so you farm them out to mfc and take a cut?

Jack Sparrow 04-19-2011 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker (Post 18070366)
Not as slow as you obviously. Your site is 404 idiot
http://www.free-cams.co.uk/

You should change your nick to GFY Jester. I guess you made it Jack Sparrow as he's a pirate and your from the Netherlands? Pirates were English idiot, your thinking of Vikings. Wow

Vikings in the netherlands?
Lol, talk about being slow, you shouldnt have dropped school after kindergarten :) :)

Agent 488 04-19-2011 01:07 PM

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Choker 04-19-2011 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow (Post 18070433)
Vikings in the netherlands?
Lol, talk about being slow, you shouldnt have dropped school after kindergarten :) :)

Um okay JACK SPARROW. Why is your nick a imaginary movie figure? You so fucking funny. When my daughter was 13 she was in love with Johny Dep. She grew out of it, most people grow out of playing imaginary figures by the time they are 14, what happened to you little boy?

xsabn 04-19-2011 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker (Post 18070427)
Ah so you farm them out to mfc and take a cut?

:1orglaugh not only to MFC, some girls don't like it, but some yes. usually my girls work on 2, 3 sites. If they work on MFC they need to get naked for tips, and they can't work for other sites (they need to work exclusive on MFC). For models, MFC as a site can be hard to work, but the girls with patience and good looking ones always make money there :)

Brujah 04-19-2011 01:17 PM

If you need any cam domains...

PornGreen 04-19-2011 01:20 PM

just a matter of time until the cams are free as tube sites, even the explicit shows

then what?

xsabn 04-19-2011 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornGreen (Post 18070510)
just a matter of time until the cams are free as tube sites, even the explicit shows

then what?

some are already free.... check cam4.com

VladS 04-19-2011 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornGreen (Post 18070510)
just a matter of time until the cams are free as tube sites, even the explicit shows

then what?

Exactly. MFC and similar tipping sites may look like a game changer and as a step forward now, but what it does is giving more to the customer for less. Teach customers like that and you'll be losing a business.

blackmonsters 04-19-2011 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornGreen (Post 18070510)
just a matter of time until the cams are free as tube sites, even the explicit shows

then what?

At that point free hari kari sites will probably become the new rage.

Choker 04-19-2011 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornGreen (Post 18070510)
just a matter of time until the cams are free as tube sites, even the explicit shows

then what?

I think your missing the point, even though they are free the girls and thus site owners are making more money than the cam pay per minute model.

Agent 488 04-19-2011 01:30 PM

cam4 is prerecorded so not the same thing.

PR_Dave 04-19-2011 01:31 PM

livecams.com paid for itself in 8 months.

I love cams ;)

xsabn 04-19-2011 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18070609)
cam4 is prerecorded so not the same thing.

nope, some are really live

Agent 488 04-19-2011 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xsabn (Post 18070622)
nope, some are really live


links .........?

xsabn 04-19-2011 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18070642)
links .........?

i guess this is how they attract new models: http://www.cam4.com/contest/month/

TheDoc 04-19-2011 01:41 PM

This is the red light districts fault.... a little free peak-a-boo and bam, free porn around the world!

will76 04-19-2011 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker (Post 18070265)
I predicted some time ago as many others did that this site would be a game changer. Well many people said no the idea is dumb. Well I have like 8 cam sites with this tipping model buying from me right now, some have showed me thier stats and I'm completely blown away. Personally I thought cam sites would have decreasing sales but I was wrong.

"tipping" is a good new concept that MFC's came out with 5-6 years ago. Lots of people were aware that it was a successful model before your "revelations" on here about a year ago. Also, in that original post you talked more about how MFC was going to kill all other cam sites, which you were and still are, 100% wrong.

What MFC does is tap into the 90% of the internet market that can not afford to spend $3 a minute to do a private show. So the people who can only spend $5, $10, $20 a week can do that now via tips and still feel like they are at least part of the action. However the people who can afford the $3 a min (couple hundred ++ a week) and like the girls to themselves, privacy, where they have complete control still continue to do just as many private shows. Tipping or MFC didn't kill cams as you thought.

The other cam sites that added tipping finally realized they were missing much of the market.

will76 04-19-2011 01:46 PM

It funny watching people that the extent of their cam knowledge is having been on a couple cam sites talk about things that they have no clue about, like they know what the hell they are talking about.

Choker 04-19-2011 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18070661)
"tipping" is a good new concept that MFC's came out with 5-6 years ago. Lots of people were aware that it was a successful model before your "revelations" on here about a year ago. Also, in that original post you talked more about how MFC was going to kill all other cam sites, which you were and still are, 100% wrong.

What MFC does is tap into the 90% of the internet market that can not afford to spend $3 a minute to do a private show. So the people who can only spend $5, $10, $20 a week can do that now via tips and still feel like they are at least part of the action. However the people who can afford the $3 a min (couple hundred ++ a week) and like the girls to themselves, privacy, where they have complete control still continue to do just as many private shows. Tipping or MFC didn't kill cams as you thought.

The other cam sites that added tipping finally realized they were missing much of the market.

Yep, you are right and I was wrong.

Traffic Guru 04-19-2011 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker (Post 18070366)
Not as slow as you obviously. Your site is 404 idiot
http://www.free-cams.co.uk/

You should change your nick to GFY Jester. I guess you made it Jack Sparrow as he's a pirate and your from the Netherlands? Pirates were English idiot, your thinking of Vikings. Wow

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I am starting to feel bad for this dutch queer boy. He gets slapped around like $5 hooker in Harlem.
free-cams.co.uk What a great domain he has there. Must be 404 because of the huge traffic its getting from his SEO works. He has two different companies working on it. Bwaaaaaaaahaaaa. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I don't think dutch had any vikings. Gay Vikings maybe. I don't think Dutch even had anything of historical value at all. Can someone tell me what Dutch are known for besides drugs, hookers, and guys that like to take things up their poopenshaft?

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will76 04-19-2011 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker (Post 18070265)
I predicted some time ago as many others did that this site would be a game changer. Well many people said no the idea is dumb. Well I have like 8 cam sites with this tipping model buying from me right now, some have showed me thier stats and I'm completely blown away. Personally I thought cam sites would have decreasing sales but I was wrong.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker (Post 16944045)
Webcam sites are in serious fucking trouble:
Yeah yeah I hear you, "you can't find hot hot girls giving personal shows for free" Right? Bullshit. The proliferation of free cam shows starring hotties has already begun. Everybody and his mama is rushing to get in on the new webcam fad. This is gonna take some serious business plan restructuring if webcam sites plan on surviving. I'm at a loss as to how they are gonna survive myself. Any ideas?

fucking-around-and-business-discussion/958239-webcam-sites-serious-fucking-trouble.html

Some cam sites added "tipping", it didn't *save them* it allowed them to make additional revenue from a large sector of the market they were neglecting before, the people who can't afford to spend $3, $4 etc a minute for a private show.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker (Post 18070697)
Yep, you are right and I was wrong.

Not exactly. When I first saw MFC back in 2007 ish I didn't think it was a great concept. I didn't think that other members would be cool with free loaders. I thought, why would someone put money up for everyone else to see. I didn't think it would be that successful, but obviously after watching the site grow and become popular over a couple years and spending some time in the chat rooms you could see that people didn't care, if others contributed or not and in fact that some people liked to throw money around via tips because it made them feel like a big shot to the other people in the room. I under estimated mans sense of bragging and trying to feel important in a room full of other guys.

What Leon developed turned out to be a very lucrative, genius, yet very simple concept.

Choker 04-19-2011 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Traffic Guru (Post 18070715)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I am starting to feel bad for this dutch queer boy. He gets slapped around like $5 hooker in Harlem.
free-cams.co.uk What a great domain he has there. Must be 404 because of the huge traffic its getting from his SEO works. He has two different companies working on it. Bwaaaaaaaahaaaa. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I don't think dutch had any vikings. Gay Vikings maybe. I don't think Dutch even had anything of historical value at all. Can someone tell me what Dutch are known for besides drugs, hookers, and guys that like to take things up their poopenshaft?

Yeah my teachers in History class didn't spend much time on insignificant cultures, but I'm pretty sure the Vikings raided Netherlands and many locals assimilated into their raiding parties.

xsabn 04-19-2011 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18070727)
fucking-around-and-business-discussion/958239-webcam-sites-serious-fucking-trouble.html

Some cam sites added "tipping", it didn't *save them* it allowed them to make additional revenue from a large sector of the market they were neglecting before, the people who can't afford to spend $3, $4 etc a minute for a private show.

on some sites, members tip the girls during the private so i don't think its only about the money

Agent 488 04-19-2011 01:58 PM

i don't think any of the big cam sites are hurting at all.

fris 04-19-2011 01:59 PM

cam and dating will always be the easiest things to convert, because people love them, no matter what niche you are in

kristin 04-19-2011 02:00 PM

I've heard from a lot cams is blowing up right now and dating is sucking.

People buying prepays are the cams companies.

Choker 04-19-2011 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18070727)
fucking-around-and-business-discussion/958239-webcam-sites-serious-fucking-trouble.html

Some cam sites added "tipping", it didn't *save them* it allowed them to make additional revenue from a large sector of the market they were neglecting before, the people who can't afford to spend $3, $4 etc a minute for a private show.

Dude I said you were right and I was wrong. Are you such a bitter and miserable person that your only joy in life is putting others down? Seriously man get a fucking life, I enjoy your posts but you come across as a miserable miserable person. Personally I'm glad I was wrong, cam sites are now my biggest customers.

bDok 04-19-2011 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker (Post 18070300)
Me either, I personally think the whole idea of paying a girl on a cam site is pathetic, HOWEVER, browsing some of these tipping based cam sites even I have been tempted to tip some of these girls, especially the ones that bust their ass for hours and stick everything they own up their ass and pussy in order to get guys to tip. It's the "damn I feel bad for that girl shes working her ass off I gotta give her a couple bucks" thing, lol.

LOL this is what gets me at strip clubs. I'm like holy fuck that girl is actually working. :1orglaugh

will76 04-19-2011 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kristin (Post 18070756)
I've heard from a lot cams is blowing up right now and dating is sucking.

People buying prepays are the cams companies.

Dating is not my fortay.. but something I do advertise. I have always wondered how much social networking sites have cut into dating sales over the last 5-6 years.

Cams is the thing that seems the most bullet proof, well behind toy sales.

will76 04-19-2011 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker (Post 18070760)
Dude I said you were right and I was wrong. Are you such a bitter and miserable person that your only joy in life is putting others down? Seriously man get a fucking life, I enjoy your posts but you come across as a miserable miserable person. Personally I'm glad I was wrong, cam sites are now my biggest customers.

happy for you... you quoted me before I was finished. If you read my entire post I don't think I was being an asshole.

seeandsee 04-19-2011 02:04 PM

i just got idea how to make millions in webcam biz, hear ya all in a year

Mutt 04-19-2011 02:09 PM

i love MFC - it's occurred to me that I could now make a lot more money putting girls on MFC as a studio owner than spending small fortunes on solo girl paysites and making a modest return.

but i can't do that, to me it's straight out pimping, you invest nothing, you build nothing, you are living off girls who do all the work. she doesn't need a 'studio owner' to be on MFC. Back in the day lots of girls didn't have a computer of their own, a webcam and a broadband Internet connection, now they all do. No need for a studio.

the appeal of MFC for lots of guys including me is that the American girls and many of the European girls are working for themselves from home.

MFC has a feel that none of the other cam sites have. But I agree with Will, MFC hasn't hurt/killed the other cam sites, they seem just as busy as ever. There are many girls from other cam sites who give MFC a try and don't like it - they don't have the patience to build a new fanbase and probably don't like having to perform for 1,000 guys in free chat to get tips.

Traffic Guru 04-19-2011 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 18070786)
i love MFC - it's occurred to me that I could now make a lot more money putting girls on MFC as a studio owner than spending small fortunes on solo girl paysites and making a modest return.

but i can't do that, to me it's straight out pimping, you invest nothing, you build nothing, you are living off girls who do all the work. she doesn't need a 'studio owner' to be on MFC. Back in the day lots of girls didn't have a computer of their own, a webcam and a broadband Internet connection, now they all do. No need for a studio.

the appeal of MFC for lots of guys including me is that the American girls and many of the European girls are working for themselves from home.

MFC has a feel that none of the other cam sites have. But I agree with Will, MFC hasn't hurt/killed the other cam sites, they seem just as busy as ever. There are many girls from other cam sites who give MFC a try and don't like it - they don't have the patience to build a new fanbase and probably don't like having to perform for 1,000 guys in free chat to get tips.

I think I am going to give it a try. Thanks for good tip man.
Now I can be like that Bishop Don Juan in LA. Pimp Guru. Thats right.

Brujah 04-19-2011 02:25 PM

MFC did not invent "tipping," so not sure where you got that.

Brujah 04-19-2011 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 18070786)
i love MFC - it's occurred to me that I could now make a lot more money putting girls on MFC as a studio owner than spending small fortunes on solo girl paysites and making a modest return.

In the real world it's called temporary/employment agencies.


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