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xsabn 04-19-2011 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 18070786)
but i can't do that, to me it's straight out pimping, you invest nothing, you build nothing, you are living off girls who do all the work. she doesn't need a 'studio owner' to be on MFC. Back in the day lots of girls didn't have a computer of their own, a webcam and a broadband Internet connection, now they all do. No need for a studio.
there are girls who love to work on a studio.. you need to run one to understand... girls like gossip, on a studio it's lot of gossip, funny discussions, lots of laughs etc

its true, on mfc lots of girls work from home, but working on a studio you get quality (image, sound, fast and optimized computers, professional webcams / camcorders, high speed internet connection etc)

as a studio owner you need to invest some serious money for quality. Girls need to feel comfortable and do their job better without having any other concerns.

Traffic Guru 04-19-2011 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Choker (Post 18070732)
Yeah my teachers in History class didn't spend much time on insignificant cultures, but I'm pretty sure the Vikings raided Netherlands and many locals assimilated into their raiding parties.
Im pretty sure thats where whole gay thing started. I think Vikings invented "don't ask, don't tell" policy. 3 month at sea and suddenly you see hurdle of half naked sheep farmers greeting you with tulip flowers in assless chaps and funky orange curly toe shoes . Scary visual, but what you gonna do?

MyCamProfile 04-19-2011 02:34 PM
I have worked for all of the top webcam sites. To ME MFC is the one of the worst converting sites out there. I have put at least 500 girls on there and by the end of the month 90% of them no longer want to work for them because customers BARELY tip and want to see everything for free.

Even Flirt4Free.com as bad as it has down-turned these past years models are doing better there then they ever did on MFC. Yes, some girls on MFC make a substantial amount of money but I base it on pure luck.

The top 5 cam sites?

Streamate - Always converting well and EVERYONE is making money (even the ugly ones). My only diss on Streamate is that they need more features and contests
Flirt4Free - This website is more for the Pro's.. although it is expensive all of my models make good money there.
LiveJasmin - Too many performers there now. But still converts decently.
MFC - Great for the motivated performer. Very low conversions albeit.
ImLive

lazycash 04-19-2011 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Choker (Post 18070300)
Me either, I personally think the whole idea of paying a girl on a cam site is pathetic, HOWEVER, browsing some of these tipping based cam sites even I have been tempted to tip some of these girls.
Think of the billions of dollars that guys spend at strip clubs. Nowadays that same guy can sit back in his own home, and jack off while telling the exact girl of his choice what to do in a HD quality live stream, often for less than what he'd usually spend at a strip club. Cams have been on the rise for over a decade with no hint of decline. There's simply no substitute for live interaction, so the proliferation of free video porn has had little impact on cams.

Choker 04-19-2011 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by xsabn (Post 18070860)
there are girls who love to work on a studio.. you need to run one to understand... girls like gossip, on a studio it's lot of gossip, funny discussions, lots of laughs etc

its true, on mfc lots of girls work from home, but working on a studio you get quality (image, sound, fast and optimized computers, professional webcams / camcorders, high speed internet connection etc)

as a studio owner you need to invest some serious money for quality. Girls need to feel comfortable and do their job better without having any other concerns.
Yeah and a studio can do girl/girl and boy/girl cams also, not to mention all the different props. Also when working from home its easier to take too many breaks and not work as hard as you would if you had to go to a studio. So yeah I can see how a studio can be better. I wander how many cam girls from home are also watching their kids at the same time? lol

lazycash 04-19-2011 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18070609)
cam4 is prerecorded so not the same thing.
Huh? Unless something has changed recently cam4 has always been live amateur streams for over 5 years. Anything prerecorded is booted off quickly. They added tipping a year ago.

Choker 04-19-2011 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Traffic Guru (Post 18070715)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I am starting to feel bad for this dutch queer boy. He gets slapped around like $5 hooker in Harlem.
free-cams.co.uk What a great domain he has there. Must be 404 because of the huge traffic its getting from his SEO works. He has two different companies working on it. Bwaaaaaaaahaaaa. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Yeah he will stop everything he is doing to try to take a swipe at me but cant even keep his site up. Still down for me.

will76 04-19-2011 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 18070856)
MFC did not invent "tipping," so not sure where you got that.
i don' think they are the first site to have tips, pretty sure you could tip a model on cam sites before MFC. However, it is how MFC uses tipping. The tipping option years back was just a way for a private cam viewer to give the chat host a couple extra bucks for doing a good job. MFC was the first site to build a whole community around tipping and make a group thing where girls will get tipped up front by the group to do something as well as be rewarded for a job done well. While other sites had tipping, it was an after thought function that likely generated less than .01% of the sales on the site.

Mutt 04-19-2011 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MyCamProfile (Post 18070893)
Yes, some girls on MFC make a substantial amount of money but I base it on pure luck.
Not much luck involved, it's charisma, looks, smarts, personality and getting on there regularly. I have seen an 18 year old and a 19 year old who have been on MFC about a month. They have both moved up quickly, when they're on the are in the top row or if a lot of long established stars are on they are in the second row. The 18 year old held up her Iphone online banking and made 6K in her first month on MFC. The 19 year old has made at least the same.

And for me it's easy to see why, they both have the looks and personality and they are having FUN, they don't come off as if the guys in the chatroom are marks, that's a big turnoff to MFC surfers, they want a girl who seems like she's enjoying hanging out on MFC and the money is secondary and very much appreciated.

PornoMonster 04-19-2011 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 18070786)
i love MFC - it's occurred to me that I could now make a lot more money putting girls on MFC as a studio owner than spending small fortunes on solo girl paysites and making a modest return.

but i can't do that, to me it's straight out pimping, you invest nothing, you build nothing, you are living off girls who do all the work. she doesn't need a 'studio owner' to be on MFC. Back in the day lots of girls didn't have a computer of their own, a webcam and a broadband Internet connection, now they all do. No need for a studio.

the appeal of MFC for lots of guys including me is that the American girls and many of the European girls are working for themselves from home.

MFC has a feel that none of the other cam sites have. But I agree with Will, MFC hasn't hurt/killed the other cam sites, they seem just as busy as ever. There are many girls from other cam sites who give MFC a try and don't like it - they don't have the patience to build a new fanbase and probably don't like having to perform for 1,000 guys in free chat to get tips.
Yep yep.
Even if a girl lived at home, she would only work in your studio long enough to get an apartment, see these days all the things that use to be hard to get, she can do all on her own, and get all the money.

Jack Sparrow 04-19-2011 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18070681)
It funny watching people that the extent of their cam knowledge is having been on a couple cam sites talk about things that they have no clue about, like they know what the hell they are talking about.
90% of the people are clueless just like choker. And not just with cams or dating.

SZNY 04-19-2011 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 18070856)
MFC did not invent "tipping," so not sure where you got that.
Indeed MFC didnt invent "tipping".

CamsAtHome and in my old system there was also tipping embedded for members.

The only point was that we always tried to regulate the chat to avoid masturbation shows in free chat because other performers didn't appreciate it.

Traffic Guru 04-19-2011 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow (Post 18070991)
90% of the people are clueless just like choker. And not just with cams or dating.
They are just jealous of you and your mighty cam project. :1orglaugh

SZNY 04-19-2011 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by xsabn (Post 18070490)
:1orglaugh not only to MFC, some girls don't like it, but some yes. usually my girls work on 2, 3 sites. If they work on MFC they need to get naked for tips, and they can't work for other sites (they need to work exclusive on MFC). For models, MFC as a site can be hard to work, but the girls with patience and good looking ones always make money there :)
Indeed I experience here the same, in other words it totally depends per girl.

The reason why for example many studios and girls work on MFC is because they offer the highest rev share model and they have good traffic.

MFC is a great business model and for certain models its a great money maker.

xsabn 04-19-2011 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SZNY (Post 18071043)
Indeed I experience here the same, in other words it totally depends per girl.

The reason why for example many studios and girls work on MFC is because they offer the highest rev share model and they have good traffic.

MFC is a great business model and for certain models its a great money maker.
the biggest % is offered by adultwork.com - 70% (in british pounds), MFC offers ~ 60%

PornoMonster 04-19-2011 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by xsabn (Post 18071097)
the biggest % is offered by adultwork.com - 70% (in british pounds), MFC offers ~ 60%
I do not know who adulwork is, but a general rule

Just because you get a bigger %, does NOT mean you will make more money!

Paul 04-19-2011 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 18071166)
I do not know who adulwork is, but a general rule

Just because you get a bigger %, does NOT mean you will make more money!
http://www.adultwork.com

I think it's a British guy who started this site, anyone know for sure?

Paul 04-19-2011 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by xsabn (Post 18071097)
the biggest % is offered by adultwork.com - 70% (in british pounds), MFC offers ~ 60%
Interesting... I didn't know AdultWork offered that much.

How do MFC take their cut, do they just payout 60% of the tips?

fris 04-19-2011 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SZNY (Post 18071009)
Indeed MFC didnt invent "tipping".

CamsAtHome and in my old system there was also tipping embedded for members.

The only point was that we always tried to regulate the chat to avoid masturbation shows in free chat because other performers didn't appreciate it.
they just did the best to capitalize on it. leo knows what hes doing. and laughing all the way to the bank. literally.

rowan 04-19-2011 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18070661)
"tipping" is a good new concept that MFC's came out with 5-6 years ago.
camwhores.com was doing the tipping thing back in 2002ish.

ilnjscb 04-19-2011 05:24 PM
Adultwork.com is huge - thousands of members and they have escorts, phone, text, cams, and content for sale.

will76 04-19-2011 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rowan (Post 18071261)
camwhores.com was doing the tipping thing back in 2002ish.
see post #58 where they doing tipping like MFC does or was it a site that just allowed guys to tip girls if she just gave them a good private show, huge difference.

Choker 04-19-2011 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow (Post 18070991)
90% of the people are clueless just like choker. And not just with cams or dating.
Oh yeah? Unlike 99% of the posters here, the site in your signature is still 404
http://www.free-cams.co.uk/

So I'm totally clueless am I? When are you gonna make a post begging people to promote your 404 cam site, you know, the post where you will claim it's making more money than any other cam site does? Like those hundreds of posts you made in the past about promoting your shitty oneclicktube. LOL. How come not even ONE, not one of the supposed hundreds of people that have done business with you will back you up on GFY? Why is this Mr Wannabe Pirate? LOL You are very entertaining. Sucks to be you.

rowan 04-19-2011 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18071318)
see post #58 where they doing tipping like MFC does or was it a site that just allowed guys to tip girls if she just gave them a good private show, huge difference.
I'm pretty sure tips were in open chat, they had a little tagline that said they'd do X if they got X in tips. I think they could also choose whether to have their show within the members area (standard $x/mo subscription) or go public. It was definitely begging to a group, not just an afterthought from a 1-on-1.

Traffic Guru 04-19-2011 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Choker (Post 18071420)
Oh yeah? Unlike 99% of the posters here, the site in your signature is still 404
http://www.free-cams.co.uk/

So I'm totally clueless am I? When are you gonna make a post begging people to promote your 404 cam site, you know, the post where you will claim it's making more money than any other cam site does? Like those hundreds of posts you made in the past about promoting your shitty oneclicktube. LOL. How come not even ONE, not one of the supposed hundreds of people that have done business with you will back you up on GFY? Why is this Mr Wannabe Pirate? LOL You are very entertaining. Sucks to be you.
Ouch. That go to hurt.

Mutt 04-19-2011 07:01 PM
actually Camwhores was definitely the original MyFreeCams.

rowan 04-19-2011 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 18071494)
actually Camwhores was definitely the original MyFreeCams.
And camwhores was a copy of camrecord which was a copy of (can't remember)...... :upsidedow

lagcam 04-19-2011 11:48 PM
I think Will is right about MFC being the first to use tips as they do..... ie the way you reward a dog with a snack if they jump through a hoop.

As regards killing off the other cam sites, as Leroy says, and lazycash has said before, there will always be customers who want privacy, intimacy (whether real or fake), friendship and "relationships".

Not everybody, and I mean performers AND customers like the MFC business model.

Jack Sparrow 04-19-2011 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Choker (Post 18071420)
Oh yeah? Unlike 99% of the posters here, the site in your signature is still 404
http://www.free-cams.co.uk/

So I'm totally clueless am I? When are you gonna make a post begging people to promote your 404 cam site, you know, the post where you will claim it's making more money than any other cam site does? Like those hundreds of posts you made in the past about promoting your shitty oneclicktube. LOL. How come not even ONE, not one of the supposed hundreds of people that have done business with you will back you up on GFY? Why is this Mr Wannabe Pirate? LOL You are very entertaining. Sucks to be you.
Why would i need to beg someone to promote it, when i have the traffic myself lol
See how clueless you are little broker friend :thumbsup

Keep clicking that sig lol, its funny how you stare yourself blind on it, basing your opinion on a siglinkie hahah :1orglaugh

Oh and in case you didnt notice, theres more then 1 backing me up, but i guess you choose to ignore that thread lol :1orglaugh

xsabn 04-20-2011 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 18071316)
Adultwork.com is huge - thousands of members and they have escorts, phone, text, cams, and content for sale.
:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

SZNY 04-20-2011 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by fris (Post 18071252)
they just did the best to capitalize on it. leo knows what hes doing. and laughing all the way to the bank. literally.
Totally true, before starting MFC by promoting cams with Ultrapasswords he did a good study how to facilitate/comfort the surfers

Choker 04-20-2011 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow (Post 18072012)
Why would i need to beg someone to promote it, when i have the traffic myself lol
See how clueless you are little broker friend :thumbsup

Keep clicking that sig lol, its funny how you stare yourself blind on it, basing your opinion on a siglinkie hahah :1orglaugh

Oh and in case you didnt notice, theres more then 1 backing me up, but i guess you choose to ignore that thread lol :1orglaugh
http://www.free-cams.co.uk/
yep I can see you have so much traffic to promote it you knocked it offline

AnthonyCHC 04-20-2011 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18070268)
porn never died, just the paysite model.
Well said sir

Hotrocket 04-20-2011 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 18070959)
Not much luck involved, it's charisma, looks, smarts, personality and getting on there regularly. I have seen an 18 year old and a 19 year old who have been on MFC about a month. They have both moved up quickly, when they're on the are in the top row or if a lot of long established stars are on they are in the second row. The 18 year old held up her Iphone online banking and made 6K in her first month on MFC. The 19 year old has made at least the same.

And for me it's easy to see why, they both have the looks and personality and they are having FUN, they don't come off as if the guys in the chatroom are marks, that's a big turnoff to MFC surfers, they want a girl who seems like she's enjoying hanging out on MFC and the money is secondary and very much appreciated.
You nailed it, its all about how the model operates, I've seen your average girl make thousands in tips over an hours time and stunningly beautiful bombshells sit and bitch and moan about no tips at all....Its amazing how clueless some of these women are when it comes to attracting men.
There is one particular cam girl on MFC that never gets naked, is cute but not anything special, she sits and plays keyboards or guitar and sings..this girl has a huge following, is constantly ranked in the top 20 on MFC and makes hundreds of dollars every time shes on cam. How does she do this w/o getting naked? She is an absolute sweetheart and people just love her and the way she treats them.


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