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webgeek 03-22-2007 04:49 PM

All about this RSS bullshit!!!
 
When do the webmasters will understand ?
RSS syndication is going to ruin your business.
You're all grabbing the same RSS feeds again and again and posting it without any mofication. You're thinking you'll put the sign-ups to autopilot but all you'll get is a HUGE BAN FROM GOOGLE.

doesn't anyone hear about content duplication???

everyday at least 4-5 threads are asking for RSS feeds. you'll just ruin your business. it's redicilous...

Jace 03-22-2007 04:52 PM

LOL...ever think that people use rss as a base content and re-write it before posting?

and let me just say one thing in regards to the duplicate content myth.....associated press....have any idea what they are and what they do? and the millions of sites that use them?

munki 03-22-2007 04:52 PM

hrrmm... so there's one opinion.

munki 03-22-2007 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12132608)
LOL...ever think that people use rss as a base content and re-write it before posting?

and let me just say one thing in regards to the duplicate content myth.....associated press....have any idea what they are and what they do? and the millions of sites that use them?

and there's the one I was waiting on...

good timing...

:thumbsup

Jace 03-22-2007 04:53 PM

btw, sorry you can't think out of the box enough to know how rss can be, and is being, used properly and not be penalized

Mr Pheer 03-22-2007 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by webgeek (Post 12132600)
everyday at least 4-5 threads are asking for RSS feeds. you'll just ruin your business. it's redicilous...

yep. :Oh crap

teg0 03-22-2007 04:54 PM

I had someone taking a feed from one of my blogs and running it on his blog. I just left a comment explaining how that was a bad idea and he quietly removed it.

webgeek 03-22-2007 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12132608)
LOL...ever think that people use rss as a base content and re-write it before posting?

and let me just say one thing in regards to the duplicate content myth.....associated press....have any idea what they are and what they do? and the millions of sites that use them?

that's myth you believe. do you know anything about authority sites???
AP site will always get higher PR from any site that is publishing it.

most webmasters don't even care about rewriting it. just post on auto pilot.

Profits of Doom 03-22-2007 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12132608)
LOL...ever think that people use rss as a base content and re-write it before posting?

and let me just say one thing in regards to the duplicate content myth.....associated press....have any idea what they are and what they do? and the millions of sites that use them?

I've always had this question myself. If you use an RSS feed as is but also add your own original blog posts you won't run into that problem, right?

Jace 03-22-2007 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by teg0 (Post 12132623)
I had someone taking a feed from one of my blogs and running it on his blog. I just left a comment explaining how that was a bad idea and he quietly removed it.

now that I don't think is fair use....rss feeds from sponsors is one thing, but grabbing another blogs rss feeds and using them is shady

Jace 03-22-2007 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by webgeek (Post 12132625)
that's myth you believe. do you know anything about authority sites???
AP site will always get higher PR from any site that is publishing it.

most webmasters don't even care about rewriting it. just post on auto pilot.

why are you so worried about what every one else is doing?

webgeek 03-22-2007 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12132616)
btw, sorry you can't think out of the box enough to know how rss can be, and is being, used properly and not be penalized

well I know what to do. but check some threads for the webmasters who's asking for RSS. their sites are just on auto pilot.

Jace 03-22-2007 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom (Post 12132628)
I've always had this question myself. If you use an RSS feed as is but also add your own original blog posts you won't run into that problem, right?

I am no expert by any means, but I have never had any issues using ALL rss feeds, so I would imagine a original blog with rss posts scattered in there will be just fine

Jace 03-22-2007 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by webgeek (Post 12132641)
well I know what to do. but check some threads for the webmasters who's asking for RSS. their sites are just on auto pilot.

WHO CARES?

let them do that, or are they hurting you in some way?

webgeek 03-22-2007 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12132638)
why are you so worried about what every one else is doing?

I'm not worried. I'm just sad that ppl are so ignorant. that's why I felt like I have to tell it. :(

cones 03-22-2007 05:00 PM

thanx for sharing

webgeek 03-22-2007 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12132646)
WHO CARES?

let them do that, or are they hurting you in some way?

maybe I'm abit pissed off too.
because the same lame asses think they are the king of web and give you bullshit on whatever thread they can.
they have no clue about what they are doing. just bullllllllll :mad:

Profits of Doom 03-22-2007 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12132642)
I am no expert by any means, but I have never had any issues using ALL rss feeds, so I would imagine a original blog with rss posts scattered in there will be just fine

Ok cool, I had always heard the same thing as far as the duplicate content issue and assumed it as fact. The blog I'm working on is going to be using feeds mixed with my own original content.

webgeek 03-22-2007 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom (Post 12132696)
Ok cool, I had always heard the same thing as far as the duplicate content issue and assumed it as fact. The blog I'm working on is going to be using feeds mixed with my own original content.

that's whay I'm talking about. you must have your original content!!!
RSS is good for syndicating other's content like a blogroll etc. :thumbsup

Jace 03-22-2007 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom (Post 12132696)
Ok cool, I had always heard the same thing as far as the duplicate content issue and assumed it as fact. The blog I'm working on is going to be using feeds mixed with my own original content.

http://searchengineland.com/070315-100022.php

Sosa 03-22-2007 05:16 PM

that is what autp blogger pro is for!

webgeek 03-22-2007 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12132728)

yeah it's a myth and a guy from google was there to talk about "how do you search porn on google?"

and their patent filing on content duplication is just another trick so they can get some tax credit.

also global warming doesn't exist too... :1orglaugh

luv$ 03-22-2007 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12132608)
LOL...ever think that people use rss as a base content and re-write it before posting?

and let me just say one thing in regards to the duplicate content myth.....associated press....have any idea what they are and what they do? and the millions of sites that use them?

You beat me to it...

Jace 03-22-2007 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by webgeek (Post 12132762)
yeah it's a myth and a guy from google was there to talk about "how do you search porn on google?"

and their patent filing on content duplication is just another trick so they can get some tax credit.

also global warming doesn't exist too... :1orglaugh

um...did you even read the article?

tenderobject 03-22-2007 05:18 PM

uhmm ok.. :) im testing a blog network using feeds from sponsor let see how it works but so far its ok. after that i'll ad a custom gallery feeds on each sites i think that would be fine.

StarkReality 03-22-2007 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom (Post 12132696)
Ok cool, I had always heard the same thing as far as the duplicate content issue and assumed it as fact. The blog I'm working on is going to be using feeds mixed with my own original content.

Yup, that's an effective way, write yourself and fill it with posts from feeds here and there.

Duplicate content doesn't mean you get banned, that's bullshit, it just means the page with duplicate content may rank worse. It only becomes a problem if all or most of the posts are from one single sponsor feed, and even then it rarely leads to a ban...it just ranks shitty.

Duplicate content on the same domain is by far more dangerous and since many people don't know how to get their templates and link structure setup correctly, 100% self written blogs are in danger as well. Why ? Because every post is indexed via 3 or 4 different URLs...and that's what hurts.

Many webmasters even let google grab www.domain.com and domain.com because they don't use 2 simple lines of code in the .htaccess, so they will get like 8 different URLs for every single post (worst case). No surprise if they get banned.

Jace 03-22-2007 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by StarkReality (Post 12132786)
Yup, that's an effective way, write yourself and fill it with posts from feeds here and there.

Duplicate content doesn't mean you get banned, that's bullshit, it just means the page with duplicate content may rank worse. It only becomes a problem if all or most of the posts are from one single sponsor feed, and even then it rarely leads to a ban...it just ranks shitty.

Duplicate content on the same domain is by far more dangerous and since many people don't know how to get their templates and link structure setup correctly, 100% self written blogs are in danger as well. Why ? Because every post is indexed via 3 or 4 different URLs...and that's what hurts.

Many webmasters even let google grab www.domain.com and domain.com because they don't use 2 simple lines of code in the .htaccess, so they will get like 8 different URLs for every single post (worst case). No surprise if they get banned.

EXCELLENT post

kektex 03-22-2007 05:23 PM

Itīs a good idea to rewrite your content as well as mix it with original content.
Duplicate content filters are not a myth.It sucks to have your whole site thrown in to supplemental hell.
If anyone is looking for a feed rewriter click here. Iīve been using it on a couple of sites now and so far itīs working great.
Sometimes the Markov outputs some hard to understand shit but in the end all you want is the surfer to click through.

webgeek 03-22-2007 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarkReality (Post 12132786)
Yup, that's an effective way, write yourself and fill it with posts from feeds here and there.

Duplicate content doesn't mean you get banned, that's bullshit, it just means the page with duplicate content may rank worse. It only becomes a problem if all or most of the posts are from one single sponsor feed, and even then it rarely leads to a ban...it just ranks shitty.

Duplicate content on the same domain is by far more dangerous and since many people don't know how to get their templates and link structure setup correctly, 100% self written blogs are in danger as well. Why ? Because every post is indexed via 3 or 4 different URLs...and that's what hurts.

Many webmasters even let google grab www.domain.com and domain.com because they don't use 2 simple lines of code in the .htaccess, so they will get like 8 different URLs for every single post (worst case). No surprise if they get banned.

I mostly agree...

tenderobject 03-22-2007 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kektex (Post 12132806)
Itīs a good idea to rewrite your content as well as mix it with original content.
Duplicate content filters are not a myth.It sucks to have your whole site thrown in to supplemental hell.
If anyone is looking for a feed rewriter click here. Iīve been using it on a couple of sites now and so far itīs working great.
Sometimes the Markov outputs some hard to understand shit but in the end all you want is the surfer to click through.

how do you re-write feeds before it is posted in your blogs?

webgeek 03-22-2007 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12132767)
um...did you even read the article?

I've just finished.

kektex 03-22-2007 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarkReality

Duplicate content doesn't mean you get banned, that's bullshit, it just means the page with duplicate content may rank worse. It only becomes a problem if all or most of the posts are from one single sponsor feed, and even then it rarely leads to a ban...it just ranks shitty.

If you have the same content that 50 other sites have google will try to take a guess, using domain authority, as to what the original site might be.The rest just get thrown in to supplemental or they rank horribly.
Duplicate content filter is that: a filter.Your site wont get banned or penalized, it just wont rank.


Quote:

Originally Posted by StarkReality (Post 12132786)
Duplicate content on the same domain is by far more dangerous and since many people don't know how to get their templates and link structure setup correctly, 100% self written blogs are in danger as well. Why ? Because every post is indexed via 3 or 4 different URLs...and that's what hurts

Wordpress sucks at this.You have duplicate posts everywhere: on the archives, the category pages,tag pages,etc.
Again what happens here is that google just picks the version of the content that it thinks might be the original one on your site.
That happened to me on my first blog: all my domain.com/post/feed pages where getting indexed and the actual posts where nowhere to be found.
Learn to use robots.txt and NOINDEX

kektex 03-22-2007 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tenderobject (Post 12132824)
how do you re-write feeds before it is posted in your blogs?

The software does it using a Markov rewriter. It replaces some words with synonims and moves sentences,etc.
Sometimes it outputs some gibberish but its an automated process and if you are running 10 blogs its a real time saver.

munki 03-22-2007 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kektex (Post 12132853)
The software does it using a Markov rewriter. It replaces some words with synonims and moves sentences,etc.
Sometimes it outputs some gibberish but its an automated process and if you are running 10 blogs its a real time saver.


webgeek 03-22-2007 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kektex (Post 12132846)
Wordpress sucks at this.You have duplicate posts everywhere: on the archives, the category pages,tag pages,etc.
Again what happens here is that google just picks the version of the content that it thinks might be the original one on your site.
That happened to me on my first blog: all my domain.com/post/feed pages where getting indexed and the actual posts where nowhere to be found.
Learn to use robots.txt and NOINDEX

here you are, how to do it.
http://www.filination.com/tech/2007/...t-duplication/

kektex 03-22-2007 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by munki (Post 12132884)

Heh, I dont understand that Kobe pic...

More reading:
WordPress And Google: Avoiding Duplicate Content Issues

The Illustrated Guide to Duplicate Content in the Search Engines

I've had like 20 SEO sites' feeds on my feed reader hehe...it takes like 1 hour every morning to go through them but it's totally worth it.

kektex 03-22-2007 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by webgeek (Post 12132904)

Yeah I sorted it out like 3 months ago and the difference it makes is huge...anyone using wordpress read that site and the WMW thread I posted above.

StarkReality 03-22-2007 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by webgeek (Post 12132904)

A first step, but there will still be alot of DC, a really easy and effective pulgin is Search Engine Management


Upload 1 file, activate, configure via checkboxes, done :winkwink:

tenderobject 03-22-2007 06:29 PM

this thread is turning into a good thread keep on posting WP/blog/SE gurus and give the noobs some advice/tips etc! :)

kektex 03-22-2007 07:08 PM

Another important thing I forgot about WP that sucks SEO wise is that you have to check if your theme has the same meta description tag on all pages.
Either write unique ones (which is the best solution) or dont use the description meta tag and let the bots decide the snippet of content they are going to use.
The last solution is not good because (as I learnt the hard way) sometimes the designs might have, for example, your side menu text first.Then all your descriptions in your google serps will have the menu text in them.And a good description on the serps might be what gets the surfer clicking to your blog.

I use this plugin that lets me write the meta description tag, or if I´m lazy it just takes the first sentences of the post for the description:
http://guff.szub.net/2005/09/01/head-meta-description/


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