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AmateurWealth 04-18-2006 07:31 AM

So...who says REVSHARE does not pay??
 
So..there has been some speculation and debunking going on lately on revshare not working for affiliates???


LOL

our first 45 days....program wide averages!!

885 joins $18,245.00 paid out to affiliates....

$20.61 AVERAGE PER JOIN ....not to mention month 2 not even over yet!!!

next month this will easily exceed $30 per join....sorry...but i have to chuckle at the fact you say PPS is ALWAYS better than revshare.....just not true ...

Our affiliates are taking it to the bank.....and in only 60 days.....not 6 months...

Oh yeah...AND we did it with no exits,shaving...or anything else.....

We tried one pre checked cross...but pulled it....not to our liking...

One day everyone will get the picture.....quality still sells AND retains!!!

MrIzzz 04-18-2006 07:33 AM

amen brother AW:pimp


this is true, I've always been a big fan of revshare when it came to quality sponsors just like us:thumbsup

Dirty F 04-18-2006 07:35 AM

Id like to see your stats again in 6 months. I really dont believe in revshare anymore. 99% of the revshare programs out there cant be 35 per sale.

You can have all the fucking content you want, as exclusive as it can get. Tons of surfers sign up and before anything else they cancel their membership and THEN browse the site. For every surfer who does this you need another one rebilling for months if you want to get to the 35 per sale.

seven 04-18-2006 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
You can have all the fucking content you want, as exclusive as it can get. Tons of surfers sign up and before anything else they cancel their membership and THEN browse the site. For every surfer who does this you need another one rebilling for months if you want to get to the 35 per sale.

If that's true PPS must be paying $35/signup out of their own asses :Graucho There's no money in porn.. i mean no money in revshare. Shit! I gotta go to the toilet see if i can poop out $35 bills/shit :1orglaugh

AmateurWealth 04-18-2006 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Id like to see your stats again in 6 months. I really dont believe in revshare anymore. 99% of the revshare programs out there cant be 35 per sale.

You can have all the fucking content you want, as exclusive as it can get. Tons of surfers sign up and before anything else they cancel their membership and THEN browse the site. For every surfer who does this you need another one rebilling for months if you want to get to the 35 per sale.

Franck...unfortuantely TGP and MGP's have "conditioned" surfers to do this as well as email marketing....what you are seeing is the long term affect of that marketing procedure....

If you try several different programs and the same thing happens every time...then you probably have to begin to look at the quality of your traffic....

"bookmarkers" who visit a TGP once a week buy a trial and cancel and the program pays the TGP owner $35 everytime this happens will eventually go broke...why do you think a lot of TGP webmasters are constantly looking for "NEW" programs?

How many times do you hope to be paid $35 for the same surfer??

I have been doing this a long time and i see MANY MANY sufers who have joined large programs 6-8 times OR MORE...the SAME PERSON!!

this is why big changes will be coming for this industry real soon.....the PPS model is fading out FAST...and the surfer that joins/cancels/joins will become a thing of the past...or at least your credit for that surfer will....

TGP guys are always wondering why their stats keep dropping.....its because the surfers have joined every program you promote.....i would love to see how many big TGP's have the same surfers every friday....


I will be happy to post stats in 6 months...i am that cofident in what we are doing....and our affiliates will be happy as well....

seeric 04-18-2006 07:48 AM

yah all those rebills i see each day in the stats daily are just a figment of my imagination. lol.

Linkster 04-18-2006 07:55 AM

I as well would love to see the rate per join as well as the rate per click after 6 months - as after looking at stats for just about every revshare program out there over the last 6 years (and yes some of the stats were only over 6 months as the program had only been open that long) - not a single one could claim $35 per and that was with very targetted niche SE traffic.
The best was a niche Im not going to reveal but only has one "real" site out there for the niche (with an affiliate program that is) and they came close (around $33 average)

Tapaz 04-18-2006 07:56 AM

RevShare Pay! With thesponsor in my sig I made crazy rebills ! If the sponsor is a quality one is the way to go! Definitely!

Dirty F 04-18-2006 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K
yah all those rebills i see each day in the stats daily are just a figment of my imagination. lol.


Do they average $35 per surfer that joined?

Pete-KT 04-18-2006 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K
yah all those rebills i see each day in the stats daily are just a figment of my imagination. lol.


Yupt hey sure are, i guess someone logs into my nats and adds those numbers just so i am happy

Dirty F 04-18-2006 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tapaz
RevShare Pay! With thesponsor in my sig I made crazy rebills ! If the sponsor is a quality one is the way to go! Definitely!


Have you ever calculated how much you made in the end per user?

AmateurWealth 04-18-2006 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster
I as well would love to see the rate per join as well as the rate per click after 6 months - as after looking at stats for just about every revshare program out there over the last 6 years (and yes some of the stats were only over 6 months as the program had only been open that long) - not a single one could claim $35 per and that was with very targetted niche SE traffic.
The best was a niche Im not going to reveal but only has one "real" site out there for the niche (with an affiliate program that is) and they came close (around $33 average)

Linkster...you also have to take into account the NUMBER of joins....

If you avg $25.00 per join revshare but do 50 joins per month($1250)

or get $35 per join and only average 30 joins ($1050).....who you gonna promote?

At the end of the day its all about the paycheck.....:pimp

Dollarmansteve 04-18-2006 08:01 AM

cashflow. time value of money. risk.

for those who dont worry about those things, revshare is awesome.

Dirty F 04-18-2006 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmateurWealth
Linkster...you also have to take into account the NUMBER of joins....

If you avg $25.00 per join revshare but do 50 joins per month($1250)

or get $35 per join and only average 30 joins ($1050).....who you gonna promote?

At the end of the day its all about the paycheck.....:pimp


I dont think the sign up ratio was the topic of this discussion?

AmateurWealth 04-18-2006 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Have you ever calculated how much you made in the end per user?

Franck...any revshare sponsor worth their salt will show stats.....i have already said we do not hide any numbers from our affiliates or anyone else...just have to work harder to make the $$ in the end....:thumbsup

Dirty F 04-18-2006 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmateurWealth
Franck...any revshare sponsor worth their salt will show stats.....i have already said we do not hide any numbers from our affiliates or anyone else...just have to work harder to make the $$ in the end....:thumbsup


Yeah yeah thats cool...just come back when you average 35 per join. All members. No exceptions.

AmateurWealth 04-18-2006 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Yeah yeah thats cool...just come back when you average 35 per join. All members. No exceptions.

How about if i just hang out anyways....and when we do hit $35 per join....

you admit you are wrong......

Dirty F 04-18-2006 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmateurWealth
How about if i just hang out anyways....and when we do hit $35 per join....

you admit you are wrong......


Oh sure, and im not saying its impossible in general or that you cant do it. Im just saying 99% of the revshare sponsors out there cant do it.

FilthyRob 04-18-2006 08:18 AM

I have always liked revshare. I have had some people rebill on programs I haven't promoted for what seems like years and still getting checks every month. (Knock on wood)

Dirty F 04-18-2006 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FilthyRob
I have always liked revshare. I have had some people rebill on programs I haven't promoted for what seems like years and still getting checks every month. (Knock on wood)


Yeah cool but how much money did you lose pushing that same sponsor?

Tapaz 04-18-2006 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Have you ever calculated how much you made in the end per user?


took me a while to calculate it now :) 300$+ per user , as I said rebills with Livebucks are crazy :) talking to the owners they told me some freak spend 200k year . Thats huge , but the quality of the streaming is amazing must be for that :):winkwink:

AmateurWealth 04-18-2006 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Yeah cool but how much money did you lose pushing that same sponsor?

How do you LOSE by getting rebills for YEARS??

I still get revshare FLASHCASH checks from 2000.....wonder how much i made per join with them?? :1orglaugh

Dirty F 04-18-2006 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmateurWealth
How do you LOSE by getting rebills for YEARS??

I still get revshare FLASHCASH checks from 2000.....wonder how much i made per join with them?? :1orglaugh

Do i have to explain that? What is this whole topic about?

If you have send them 500 members of which 90% cancelled the first month (which happens with a lot of programs) then you need rebills coming from those 3 persons for another 40 years to reach that 35 per signup.

Dirty F 04-18-2006 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmateurWealth
How do you LOSE by getting rebills for YEARS??

I still get revshare FLASHCASH checks from 2000.....wonder how much i made per join with them?? :1orglaugh


Uhm damn...i really wonder how you can forget the whole issue we are talking about here. The members who DONT rebill.

gooddomains 04-18-2006 08:30 AM

hmmmm, that makes me think

rip raster 04-18-2006 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Do they average $35 per surfer that joined?

I get over $40 per join on all the revshare programs that I promote

Dirty F 04-18-2006 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rip raster
I get over $40 per join on all the revshare programs that I promote


Then you are joining the right ones. My guess is either dating or a very specific niche.

OldSchoolJim 04-18-2006 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Uhm damn...i really wonder how you can forget the whole issue we are talking about here. The members who DONT rebill.


No..Franck...we are talking about the AVERAGE $$ AMOUNT PER JOIN!!

This has nothing to do with the people that cancel.....it is all about how much you earn..per join sent...

so the dollars earned per join will go up as long as you have recurring....its not rocket science man...


Franck is my favorite target nowdays....

rip raster 04-18-2006 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Then you are joining the right ones. My guess is either dating or a very specific niche.

no dating sites but all do have exclusive content and most of the programs have at least five sites in their members area

Dirty F 04-18-2006 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EpicJim
No..Franck...we are talking about the AVERAGE $$ AMOUNT PER JOIN!!

This has nothing to do with the people that cancel.....it is all about how much you earn..per join sent...

so the dollars earned per join will go up as long as you have recurring....its not rocket science man...


Dude? Wtf. Is everybody retarded? Read 2 or 3 replies above. Im saying if 90% cancelled their account you need MASSIVE rebills from those 3 or 4 people who died and have their card charged every month. Read read and read again till you understand what i said.

Dirty F 04-18-2006 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EpicJim

Franck is my favorite target nowdays....


And you are so busy trying that you forget to read what i really said.

Dirty F 04-18-2006 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rip raster
no dating sites but all do have exclusive content and most of the programs have at least five sites in their members area

Ok.

Well as i said its possible, sure...and i know of dating sites that make 80 bucks per member.

djroof 04-18-2006 08:40 AM

Nice stats!

rip raster 04-18-2006 08:41 AM

pps is good for fast cash but revshare will make you more in the long run, just speaking form personal experience here

seven 04-18-2006 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster
I as well would love to see the rate per join as well as the rate per click after 6 months - as after looking at stats for just about every revshare program out there over the last 6 years (and yes some of the stats were only over 6 months as the program had only been open that long) - not a single one could claim $35 per and that was with very targetted niche SE traffic.
The best was a niche Im not going to reveal but only has one "real" site out there for the niche (with an affiliate program that is) and they came close (around $33 average)

Makes you wonder how any PPS could possibly be paying you $35/signup then doesn't it? Would that be cookie-settings, tracking, shaving or something else :Graucho It gotta be something since none of all those revshares you pushed over last 6 years could claim $35 per and these PPS popping out of nowhere offering $35 $40 $50 per signup? I guess just the word PPS written in affiliate area makes their site members horny and want to stay members forever and hence justifies that $50 per pop :1orglaugh

Dirty F 04-18-2006 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djroof
Nice stats!


Which stats?

OldSchoolJim 04-18-2006 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Dude? Wtf. Is everybody retarded? Read 2 or 3 replies above. Im saying if 90% cancelled their account you need MASSIVE rebills from those 3 or 4 people who died and have their card charged every month. Read read and read again till you understand what i said.

I read what you said.....and i am telling YOU it does not MATTER how many cancel....if you only have a 10% conversion ratio...you should not be in fucking biz in the first place....

the bottom line is...this thread was discussing REVSHARE VS. PPS and extolling the virtues of the previous....

YOU came in with the negative and start posting shit that is irrelevant....it does not matter how many cancel...what matters is WHAT YOU EARN PER JOIN!!!

if the 10 that remain rebill for 3 fucking years...then you make out..see how simple that is?

If you like PPS so be it...stick to it big guy...just do not try to talk about shit you obviously are lacking intelligence in.....stick to circle jerking surfers...

Dirty F 04-18-2006 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seven
Makes you wonder how any PPS could possibly be paying you $35/signup then doesn't it? Would that be cookie-settings, tracking, shaving or something else :Graucho It gotta be something since none of all those revshares you pushed over last 6 years could claim $35 per and these PPS popping out of nowhere offering $35 $40 $50 per signup? I guess just the word PPS written in affiliate area makes their site members horny and want to stay members forever and hence justifies that $50 per pop :1orglaugh


I can see that you never heard of upselling, exits, consoles...

Dirty F 04-18-2006 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seven
Makes you wonder how any PPS could possibly be paying you $35/signup then doesn't it? Would that be cookie-settings, tracking, shaving or something else :Graucho It gotta be something since none of all those revshares you pushed over last 6 years could claim $35 per and these PPS popping out of nowhere offering $35 $40 $50 per signup? I guess just the word PPS written in affiliate area makes their site members horny and want to stay members forever and hence justifies that $50 per pop :1orglaugh


I can see that you never heard of upselling, exits, consoles...

Kenny B! 04-18-2006 08:44 AM

I have to agree with the revshare model being more profitable over time from my experience.

I also think anyone who posts sales figures on a message board, especially GFY is usually full of shit.


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