What part about what i said dont you understand?

I said:

Its not impossible to make more with revshare but 99% of the revshare sponsors out there cant make you 35 per join.

Now exactly tell me where im wrong.

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i believe about .00001% of what i read on any messge board.

nothing against AW but i'd never in a day put my internal data on one of these boards.

its their data they can do what they want with it.

I usually make more off of rebills than I do sales these days

this thread rocks..and for exclusive content I go revshare

just a reminder....

I think it's good to use both. But dont mess with whats working for you either way.

Let me just jump in here one sec and add...

See sig, click button, get wealthy.

If I think it will rebill over 2 months at least I go revshare. What Franck said above is simple math.

100 joins at $35 PPS = $3500

100 joins at a revshare of say $14.97 is = $1497.00

Now... assume that 100% of them rebill 2nd month.... (yeah right) then it's $2994.00

The bottom line is it goes both ways.

almost agree except I'd say 95% of either PPS or revshare can't do it but then there's this 5% that can lol. Like I said just the word "PPS" in affiliate area won't make members horny enough to stay members forever for the PPS to justify paying $35/pop. Now you can say they are using exits.. well no there are some proggies that pay $35 exit or not. You can say upsells.. no upsells won't make as much to pay you $35/pop either.

Now the other 5%. I can and have made average $100+/signup with revshares. 1 particular revshare I promoted bought me a big house and enough money to start my own proggy and still making me money after 4 years since I stopped promoting that proggy. I would hate if they ever went PPS on me which would pay me $65/signup less. Now, I only know 1 PPS that believe is good like that and i wish they were a revshare instead so I could make almost 3 times the money with them but hey..

It doesn't make me wonder shit. Even if you disregard cross-sales, upsells, traffic leaks etc, you still have the fact that more people promote you when you go PPS so you can work on smaller margins. If a program on revshare 50/50 makes you $33 that means the surfer was worth $66. They can easily pay $35 out of that due to volume.

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Oh, and 50 :thumbsup

Dammit newbreed. I actually had to go back and make sure I put "it" and not "I". :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

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I was j/k of course when I typed it, just couldn't help but giving it a shot...haha

Somtimes people throw around numbers, but they have to do equal comparisions. You can't compare the average amount of a join with a site that has trials and another site which has only monthlies

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Hey are you guys at amateurwealth using limited trial membership areas?

Who let the epiccash guys in here?!? this is a NO DRAMA ZONE:pimp

Not at the moment because conversions are in our target range....but we are looking into the possibility to make the affils even more $$

<-- currently saving the drama for my Momma :thumbsup

Agreed its all about the paycheck....but its all about the amount per click - not the number of joins

In answer to the breaking down of trial and non-trial joins, that was done also - the trials were obviously lower per signup - about $15 average per surfer over the same time period as the full join sites which averaged $24 per surfer


added - the reason I say its not the number of joins is that if I had to send 300,000 hits to a program to get 100 signups a month that sure doesnt come close to a reasonable ratio or PPC

could be but at the same token trials would get you 3 times more signups than straight months so if you make 3 signups with monthlies you make total $72 over time as opposed to $135 with 9 trials over time so what sounds better initially may not always be better on the long run :2 cents:

of course there is a high percentage of people in this thread with their own revshare sites who will say they retain 20 years to get new affiliates.

I doubt we will be seeing contributions from the kings of PPS like bigjb or nastydollars

of course there is a high percentage of people in this thread with their own revshare sites who will say they retain 20 years to get new affiliates.

I doubt we will be seeing contributions from the kings of PPS like bigjb or nastydollars

cause it wouldn't matter to affiliates if they retained or not them being PPS. that being said I highly doubt nastydollars retains members for any less than 20 years lol.. wish they kept their proggy revshare still.. ah! those good 'oll days :jester

revshare is better for sites that can actually retain their customers (sites with good exclusive content that are frequently updated/good cam sites/good dating sites/etc)

pps is better for sites that suck, at least from an affiliate standpoint.

I will make it easy on you...

Lightspeed 211 joins $4,960 @ $23.51
Meatcash 123 joins $2,986 @ $24.28
Nasty Dollars 107 joins $3,745 @ $35.00

hmm... So already Nasty Dollars is beating MeatCash...

So lets multiply it by 211 and I get $7,385 which means it kicks Lightspeeds ass...

I think I like the PPS model more... more money....

And now I know why TripleXCash dropped their payout on PPS to $25... because that is about what Revshare was so you get the same thing either way...

If you think Revshare can ever touch PPS you are high.

Your meatcash stats seem kind of low to what other people have posted

It's funny that you guys made the exact same point, simply phrased differently, and are still managing to argue about it.

Is your math really that bad or are you really just that stupid?

If a 50\50 revshare earned you $25 that means the gross rev on that join was $50. Assuming no other auxilary costs in aquiring the sale, we'll keep it simple for you, if you only made $25 on a 50\50 revshare it doesn't mean they couldn't have afforded the $35 payout over time. The fact that a revshare program on average (just using the example that was given) pays less than a PPS program doesn't mean that they couldn't afford the $35+ payout it simply mean that for whatever reason the money isn't ending up in the affiliate's pocket.

For a 50\50 revshare program to payout $35 a join they need to make $70 a join. A PPS would need to make $40 to pay you $35 a join (obviously most make more I'm just making a point), and simply push enough volume to have their smaller margins cover their operating expenses.

The point of this exercise? Revshare programs need to be making double the fixed payout of a PPS per join to match a PPS program's payout. Think about that really hard next time before you start talking about the unsustainability of the PPS model why don't you, especially if you're going to go on and say people make more money with revshare models with your next breath.

Was posted above too I suppose but god damn just stop talking if your grasp of numbers is really that thin.

Yea, the only time revshare makes sense is if:

%revshare * average gross rev\join > flat PPS payout.

AND

You don't mind the inferior cash flow model + care to take on the extra risk on your shoulders


That said many PPS programs offer revshare options anyway.

And there again someone talking out of his ass. MOST yeah a vast majority of PPS proggy would be lucky to make $15-$20 per signup let alone making $40. (now, i'm not talking nastydollars or alike there are not many of them and the few there are often overpromoted so $35 or not won't bring too much money in your pocket) Now making atleast 15 dollars less than what they pay affiliates won't keep them in business without doing some sorta hankypanky and volume of that negative will only make a bigger number in gative direction.

The point of this exercise? I'd promote revshare anytime over PPS (and i do) to be on the safeside ofcourse given it's a strong proggy. Think about that really really hard next time before you start talking about the sustainability of the PPS model why don't you, especially if you're going to go on and say people make more money with PPS models with your next breath.

Exits, xsells, upsells, ex-members lists... Most PPS sponsors don't make their income from just the initial trial + rebill.

you are good on learning poems you listen


some myths where exceptions apply:

non console $30/trial
consoles $35/ trial


In 2006 exit traffic can count for 17% extra revenues? even more funny is that although there's code to beat sp2 and google toolbar, NONE PPS sponsor is using it.

xsells we are aware of them, its the only thing that keeps pps alive, but question is for how long. If your processor has agressive billing except to see the negative aspect of it reflected in another part of your business.

upsales, yes the fleshlight banner you see in most members areas will cover everything...

ex-members lists, let alone most sponsors do not utilize their emails AT ALL now due to canspam law and from those that attempts they do it so poorly.


these debates are so overdone,shouldnt even have posted. oh well.

$15 off avg subscription +$5 avg Exits, xsells, upsells, ex-members lists =$20/member = -$15 after affil payout.. here, math doesn't get any simpler than that :winkwink:

[QUOTE=seven]And there again someone talking out of his ass. MOST yeah a vast majority of PPS proggy would be lucky to make $15-$20 per signup let alone making $40. (now, i'm not talking nastydollars or alike there are not many of them and the few there are often overpromoted so $35 or not won't bring too much money in your pocket) Now making atleast 15 dollars less than what they pay affiliates won't keep them in business without doing some sorta hankypanky and volume of that negative will only make a bigger number in gative direction.

The point of this exercise? I'd promote revshare anytime over PPS (and i do) to be on the safeside ofcourse given it's a strong proggy. QUOTE]

Did the person who posted that PPS models are unsustainable without shaving at $35 a join, a statement that is in complete odds with basic arithmetic given your other statements, tell me -I- was talking out of my ass?

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I'm sorry please point me to where I said PPS models make more money for an affiliate. Can you even read or am I talking to a chimp pounding a keyboard? :1orglaugh

I pointed out the criteria to determine which one makes more sense for an affiliate. The fact that you can't read at a fourth grade level is not my problem. :1orglaugh

I'm sorry to break it to you but my other statement didn't offer any arithmatic. If it did, since I did a double major in Math & Computer Science my arithmatic, it would've been far different than your arithmatic lol.
Duh! Ok now you're admitting that you're arguing just cause you like to argue outta your ass not cause you tried to make a point that PPS makes more money. Ya know what that's called right? Hypocricy! Now, you're an Idiot and that's final :1orglaugh

The arithmatic is implict, but I guess they don't offer a lot along the lines of common sense in the comp sci department. If you make more than $35 a join with revshare that means that they are making more than $70 a join, meaning a revshare model could afford PPS if they cared to.

Since you lack any sort of basic reading skills I'll say it again; all I've said is that the PPS model fall well within most PPS companies margins without any sort of creative business practices. Though I do find your statement here rather ironic:

So the second a company declares themselves revshare rebills and quality instantly of service goes up, but all the PPS copmanies are just out to get you? :1orglaugh

More like the quality of a company is indepenant of what model they choose. In fact PPS companies in theory should be more motivated to provide all the nice long rebills and quality service you seem to think only exist in revshare as they take 100% of the profit not 50%. Just once I'd like to see you post something that has a conclusion which follows from the premise.

My inital point is that your comment regarding PPS models being unsustainable at $35 a join is just ignorant. Your response?

HAHA REVSHRE MAKES MORE MONIES NOOB.

I never once made a statment on which I thought was the better model in fact here's my exact quote, since you're a bit slow:

Surfers are smarter now, but that hasn't changed the fact that once they join a site that they like and trust, they may stay forever. They may cancel and then re-join too just to see how the cancellation process works.

If we got rid of trials that would get rid of the pay per signup model. Webmasters just want to make the most cash as quickly as possible, site owners want to get hold of the surfer as quick as possible and start billing them.

A smart surfer will join a trial, download a shitload of content and cancel to jerk off for the most part. A webmaster will send his traffic to the site that pays the most. Its a vicious circle that mainly greed has created. Numbers for site owners are down across the board.

Pay site owners who want to make quick cash will go with PPS sign up model and take a majority of the webmasters with them. Pay site owners who go with revshare know that their money will go really fast paying this way so they try to talk webmasters into doing revshare just so they can stay afloat and make their cash last longer.

Revshare in the longterm pays heaps on PPS but unfortunately webmasters don't really care since they want to get paid as fast as possible. That is the way I see our industry spiralling down. Free sites are coming up fast and furious, TGP's, fuskers, and a million other places you can see pics for free. That cannot be regulated since we will not regulate it ourselves because most of us are greedy and want to see our competitors die and we take all the traffic.

One simple thing if we could agree to get rid of trials and train the surfers to stay for the full month, that way we can payout and not lose our pants if we still choose to do PPS, but most will go to revshare and that is the best for all of us.

My favorite are so called "new sites" that come up each month selling content shot by AMA, Amazing Content, Ounique, Paul Markham, and billing it as exclusive content and charging 30 to 40 per month and offering PPS to the same effect, that to me is hilarious. Sites with exclusive content do make money, ask ALSCANS, Lightspeed, Twisty's, Danni Ashe, and a few others that actually shoot their own content and their members stay because these sites deliver the goods.

In summary, revshare is way better if you have the patience and trust as a webmaster to get paid and the content is good.

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