Siccash... Has anyone?
 

Actually made a sale with them in the past 14 days?

I made one the 1st day of the period, within about 10 clicks... then nothing since...

Went from 1:250 avg, to 1:1000, to 1:2500 this past period...

Just curious if its everyone or just me... =) Also they no longer show referral urls...

Me thinks they had to turn on the shave switch, to pay for the 20 new sites they just put out...

Are they even counting signups anymore?

I used to use siccash about a year ago..sent them over 300,000 clicks & not a single sign up..I think they're bullshit!

Well I don't send any traffic to their affiliate program but all of my dealings with them have led me to believe that they're honest ;-)

They lease content from me every month and their bill is always paid on time... That's a good sign! lol Besides, I think if you check around you'll find that Shaw Internet has a good rep.

Cheers

Brad


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Being able to pay the bills and being honest are two different things...

And, shaw has various reps. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif Some say they brad is honest, some say brad is an asshole.

I just know my conversions have dropped in the range of 1:250 to 1:2500
within 3 pay periods...

And no, my techniques havent changed, and no, thats not the reason why. =)

True... they are two different things :-)

If I were you I might just pick up the phone and give 'em a call, it certainly couldn't hurt...

Brad

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Called 3 times, left 2 messages... have emailed them 3 times so far...

Was supposed to get back to me on Fri, but... didnt... meanwhile, Im sending traffic to em, and not getting paid one bloody cent...

Ive actually lost about $400 bucks promoting them this past pay period...

Ahh well, what ya can do...

Im more asking of others experience this past period, than bitching at them shaving... atleast thats what its supposed to be...

Thanks though Brad. =)

Drew

Your comments say nothing about their honesty in dealing with webmasters.

I don't trust anything connected with Brad Shaw.

Maybe you are not being cheated -- but I know it is a common tactic for these programs to give you a token signup when you first sign up -- why do you think the minimum payout is $50? They give you a "free signup" almost immediately to get you excited -- you throw up more links -- many times that is the last signup you will see -- meanwhile they pocket your chump change and hope that you forget to take down the links... or they hope that you try to wait it out... there are thousands of "newbies" that get used this way -- that's how they bank... if you aren't converting -- pull out now.


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[This message has been edited by TheFLY (edited 12-03-2001).]

Don't bother calling them.

They also lied to me on the phone. Twice they told me my check was in the mail -- I waited patiently for three months -- fucking liars.

I know others that feel screwed by him also but not too many people will bitch about Brad Shaw -- he's a "big player" now -- I wonder how he made all that money...

The internet is a lot like the stock market -- every time someone wins big -- there are lots of little guys getting fucked hard in the ass.


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Go back to McDonalds Fly.

Shaw pays, on time too.

I've been gettin' signups w/ them...seems fine on my end. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Your opinion is worthless.
Do you send them traffic?

I didn't think so.

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Thanks e-rock. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Fly, I've been paid by them on time... but, the last few periods they have been more up and down than ARS... which says alot. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Drew

I don't have to send them traffic, idiot. They do some processing with us so I can just go to my handy little admin and see what's going on.

Uh oh Fly, I hear the car wash calling, you are late for work again right?

In other words you are just kissing Brad Shaw's ass because you do business with him.

Once again -- your opinion is worthless to webmasters.

Why don't you try using your brain and look up a new word in the dictionary: "collusion"


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having sent traffic to Brad for years, I can say his sites convert no worse than any other.
Its amazing that you guys think everything is the sponsors fault.
Brad has always been one of the most honest guys in this business. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Fly, you seem to have a problem with everyone who does well in this business.
Of course I understand the bitterness of a punk who can't succeed here but we still all get tired of hearing your whine.

Fly, who the hell are you? Do you even have traffic? Sending 32 hits a month to a program does not count. You sound very bitter, maybe you cheated us in the past and did not get a check?

BTW, I am an asshole, who has made alot of people alot of money. Honest webmasters send us traffic and make money, simple.

ROFL Fly, you best get on out the door before you lose that minimum wage job you need so dearly.

how about you looking up "slander"

if you made enough money to not live in your car, you might have to worry about the shit that spills out of your mouth.

Hi my name is Tonda...I handle all S.I.C. Cash accounts. I do not recognize speaking with you in the past. If any of you have a problem please feel free to call me or email me. I will be glad to get this straightened out http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

[email protected] or 1-877-SHAW-NET

Yes. Tonda. You are the person that told me twice that my check was on the way. Then two months later after all my phone calls you suddenly discover -- suprise -- the check was never sent out in the first place because you claimed that I was cheating -- and yet you were still accepting my traffic for those two months -- how convenient. Great customer service.

I know my opinion means something to small webmasters -- obviously that is why you are here also -- throwing insults will get you nowhere.

I had a check from siccash get lost in the mail & they took care of it right away...

Siccash was the first sponsor i ever used and they always paid me on time and i had pretty good conversions.
However i stopped using them because they adertised with an 250$ bonus when you had done more than 30 signups. After getting over 30 signups i emailed them several times to get that bonus, but didn't get any reply. It could be a mistake though, but i really don't think so.

why does a cheater always say the sponsor "claimed I was cheating"

I, like most sponsors, only notice accounts that ARE cheating. there is no need to claim it. Either someone IS cheating, or someone IS NOT cheating. Sponsors don't make monet by calling honest webmasters cheaters. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

The Fly -
I have done my research and given you are talking about almost a year and a half ago, I was still able to come up with some information on you. Why don't you tell the truth? Your account was flagged because of a violation of our terms of service and guess what you whined then like you are whining now! Instead of just cancelling your account without pay of any kind, which we had every right too, we came to an agreement. Being that it was a per click program you were in...we agreed to pay per signup for two months of your traffic. This was agreed upon and it was also agreed upon that we did not want anymore of your traffic. You cashed this check which clearly stated that you were being paid a FINAL payment of $30 per signup for two months of traffic. Final being final payment that would be issued to you as an advertiser in our program.

If you had a problem with this then why did you cash that check? Why? Because you were well aware of the circumstances and you are just trying to stir shit now. Well, guess what I have the best damn memory and records on the internet and you are not going to pull this bunch of BS with me.

Cable contact me [email protected] and I will get you that $250 if you are indeed eligible.

It was 20,000 clickthroughs in a month -- and if that is not enough for you to remember my name -- it doesn't really matter. I have just made the decision to avoid your programs. To be fair I must say that you eventually paid me $90 for those 20,000 clickthroughs -- the CTC stats did not display signups and I had no desire to argue with you -- $90 was better than nothing. You said I could keep sending you traffic -- but why would I bother when your new stats software was showing me converting better than 1:400... and yet you claimed I was converting at 1:6666 on the same traffic with Calvin. How could you expect me to trust you and send you traffic anymore? I guess you can't afford not to care about what I think -- otherwise you would not be here. There's no point in me calling you a liar about this because I have no proof -- but I was lied to twice about my check in the amount of X dollars being "in the mail".

More importantly I was upset that a decision was made to not pay me -- and no notification was given to me as to why, 2-3 months -- not until I made many phone calls did I find out that I was canceled because of a very small text link at the bottom of my site above one of your free content pics (it was actually the girls name taken directly from your site -- and her name was linked to your site). You claimed this was against your rules because it was a blind link -- BUT your rules page clearly stated that if any of the free content was used -- it was necessary to include a text link, near the content, and to link it to your site... This is exactly what I did -- this "cheating" is what you finally admitted to me -- a link to your site with the name of a very hot girl that was on your site -- if that is cheating -- then I am definitely a cheater. To this day, this is still how I link paysites and my conversions are excellent. The only thing I can guess is that you paid some moron minimum wage to surf for cheaters -- and this idiot didn't even know your own rules -- nor did he bother to notify me that there was a problem.

Maybe you jumped to the conclusion that I was cheating -- and that I didn't deserve this notification... You have made your decision -- I have made mine. Nonetheless I was very disappointed with how I was treated by your company.

If I don't trust you -- that is only my opinion...

If you really want to remember who I am you can check your tax records -- I still have your stack of pay stubs in a shoebox in my closet ;)

So there you have it. I don't just talk shit about programs without justification.

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"You cashed this check which clearly stated that you were being paid a FINAL payment of $30 per signup for two months of traffic. Final being final payment that would be issued to you as an advertiser in our program. "
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Interesting, indeed.

SIC has always paid us ONTIME! & I have dealt with Tonda each time I needed questions answered. She is very professional and keeps awesome records.
Fly, I would'nt believe you even if your tongue came notorized. The shit you have spewed on this board in the past is so stupid. I hope "small" webmasters (as you call them) choose not to listen to the things you come up with.


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honest webmasters (no matter what their size) never have problems with reputable programs of which siccash is one.

i'm with you on this one HTB

SicCash has always pulled, always paid and always been a great sponsor

"I have done my research and given you are talking about almost a year and a half ago"

Yes I see you have good records ;)

"Why don't you tell the truth? Your account was flagged because of a violation of our terms of service and guess what you whined then like you are whining now!"

I do not deny this. And I am not whining.

"Instead of just cancelling your account without pay of any kind, which we had every right too, we came to an agreement. Being that it was a per click program you were in...we agreed to pay per signup for two months of your traffic."

That is correct -- 20,000 clickthroughs in one month -- 3 signups at $30 each -- $90.
I was happy to have the $90 -- rather than nothing. I'd was better for me to pretend that I didn't care you were fucking me in the asshole -- $90 is $90 -- otherwise it was clear to me that you wouldn't pay me anything -- and of course you can pay whoever you feel like because you and I know that you have no obligation to pay anyone on a click program.

"This was agreed upon and it was also agreed upon that we did not want anymore of your traffic."

Yes the $30/signup was agreed upon. Brad Shaw did tell me that I could keep sending traffic... and you assured me on the phone that I would be paid for it. But like I said -- at that point my trust in your program was gone.

"If you had a problem with this then why did you cash that check? Why? Because you were well aware of the circumstances and you are just trying to stir shit now."

Who wouldn't want to cash $90? In my mind it was settled... You were happy. I was happy. Just because I cashed that check doesn't mean I can't relate my disappointing experiences with your company.


"Well, guess what I have the best damn memory and records on the internet and you are not going to pull this bunch of BS with me."

Ok cool.
I'm glad you have a great memory.

Maybe you also remember people laughing in the background when I called to find out where my money was?

Maybe Tonda and Brad are really cool people.
I just feel like I was dicked over -- can you blame me?

That crap I said about "collusion" with KimmyKim is just me kidding around with her -- she can dish out the insults -- I figure it's only fair to return the favor... Maybe my sense of humor is a little too twisted.

Oh come on Fly, you can insult me all you want to, I'm a big girl and I don't go crying when someone says something about me, you know that.

But to dog an honest program that does pay its webmasters, that's another story.

I'm glad you have had great experiences with them -- I haven't. I respect your opinion though.

yup, thats how business is done. BY CHILDREN

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long time no chat http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif
do you got icq? i got a few questions to ask the guru himself hehe...

rollin, its 15600219 but I'm heading othe office for the day.
lets do it tomorrow.

alright no prob
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Maybe you are right Kimmmykim...

I wish it wasn't necessary to be a sceptic in this business -- unfortunately I've been proven wrong too many times... I'd love to just "smile and be happy". From now on I will just mind my own business -- why should I give a shit if nobody else does?

I won't talk any more crap about Brad Shaw -- to me it seems like just a series of misunderstanding and lack of explicit information on both sides... I learned from the entire experience.

I've earned tons of money with siccash since I joined them but I also learned that they have the worst webmaster support around... I had to email spam them to finnaly talk to someone in there.

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