My god people...

I just asked a damned question, wasnt accusing them of anything... about them shaving was a joke, everyone says that when they are doing poorly...

I was asking for other peoples experience this past pay period...

Argh, this post has gotten way off...

Again, ive been paid EVERY dime they say I should have earned... just askin if there was a problem this past period...

For the record, shaw and siccash pay on time, all the time...

Bleah.

Drew,
In my opinion, this past year has been the worst. Summer was very slow. From reading the board it seems some webmasters have done well this year and some have suffered a bit. This is a ever changing biz. There is a glimmer of hope tho, there will always be horny people (good times or bad) http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif We just have to satisfy their appetite.

When you talk about "shaving" (joking or not)
It really leaves a bad taste, to me it is somewhat slander.
I would advise anyone who isnt happy with a sponser to find another one. I would beware of the "fly by night sponsers".

Its kind of funny how some people complain about tech support being slow, Maybe I am lucky, but I have always had fast answers. I even had an acount with fat pockets hacked a few days ago (which I FREAKED) but with in a few hours it was taken care of by Mike at DJ productions. On a saturday no less.

ok thats it for me,, I got to get some zzzzz's i am going to Disney tomorrow...I have a hot date with Mickey http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

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Once again Boneprone knows what really happened and I can tell you neither Shaw or the Fly were at fault. It was just a HUGE misunderstanding.

Ok. Here's what really happened. And it was when Derek was the customer support guy not Tonda back then. Tonda handled Fly's account after he left because he was still banned.

First of all, the same exact thing that happened to the Fly happend to me. However I handled it in a cool manner, called and talked it over with Derek and Brad and everything blew over ok. Fly's approach was a bit different, which may have resulted in the outcome.

At the time Amateur-Beaver had 2 different pay per click programs. One was the "text link" pay per click program, and the other was the "click a pic" program. The pay per click on the pic program payed more.

Many of us used both programs. Both programs had different linking codes. I say again, many of us used both programs! The Pic and the text program.

Here's what happened. They looked at some sites looking for cheaters of the programs.

They noticed on my site I was pushing the pic program, but didnt realize I was also pushing the text link program. They wrote me and told me I was in violation of the terms because I was not sending traffic via the pic as required by the rules.

I calmly called Derek and told him hey, I am obeying the rules and I am using the pics as required.
We looked over the site together as I was on the phone, and he said go to the middle of the page, and that there was a link going to the program with no PIC! I told him correct! The reason was because that link was for their other program, it was their text link program, and that was one of the text links.

He talked it over with brad, and we all chatted about it, and all was cool. they apoligized I thanked them and that was the end. I became good friends with Derek after that and later became good friends with Greg.
So all was cool.

Then the next month The Fly writes me and tells me his situation. It was the exact same situation I had gone through. I told him what to do, and it would be cool.

Fly seemed to be a bit more aggressive than I. Lets just say he wasnt as calm when dealing with the problem, and this is what affected his outcome.

Sometimes when dealing with customers, the person who calmly calls and explains in a freindly manner does better than the person in the same situation in an aggressive angry manner.

So you see no one was really at fault. It was a huge misunderstanding, but just like the attitudes fueled on this thread, the tempers were so high by this time it was eaiser just to cut the ties off and go separate ways.

Fly moved on, and I stayed with Shaw for months later being payed on time with no problems. It was just a misunderstaning that took two cool heads to fix, and in the long run it payed off.

Moral of the story is, Neither Shaw or The Fly are crooks, but hot heads that dont like fingers pointed at them.

And thats the bottom line cause Boneprone said so.

Let's just say Shaw's reputation is not the best in this industry.

Brad's very lucky he wasn't sued by me. I got bad legal advice at the time, but the statute of limitations is not up. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

If he wasn't such a fucking jerkoff this year, I might let things go. But

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they convert well for me and pay on time.. no complaints here about SIC cash .. ARS converts like a pile of crap for me on the other hand though

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Wow, a non-sarcastic post by bone... =)

Thanks for the story bone, helps understand that end of it. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Hmm, gotta watch how I word things... else everyone of my posts will end up going off the wall. :P

seriously. Its what really happened. It was a big misunderstaning.

I think the body guard Brad has at the shows is to prevent these misunderstandings from going any further.

You are wrong about one thing Boneprone -- I was totally calm -- I was too nice... Tonda was very nice also -- how could I be upset with someone so sweet on the phone? Maybe someone over at Shaw Internet just figured they could take advantage of me -- I am not a confrontational person -- unless you press me against a wall and give me no choice -- I prefer to walk away from a fight if there is nothing to gain. As many times as I called I could never get anyone but Tonda... Brad was always in a meeting or moving around boats -- I had no idea to Derek was. You are just telling me now that Derek was the moron that didn't even bother to look at my page closely enough to see that I was following the rules they provided with regard to using the free content with the text link program. The information about the "cheating" text link to their text link program came months after my check was supposed to have been sent out -- and after I had already given up due to their negligence and lack of interest in helping me.

Well I've given this some thought -- and my conclusion is, "Go Fuck Yourself" Shaw Internet. This was no misunderstanding -- it was willful negligence. There is nothing that can justify their behavior other than an apology. If you don't feel you owe me an apology -- my point is made all the more clear.

Shaw Internet walked all over me then -- and here you come and try it again -- Tonda comes in with accusations and tries to discredit me. Does anyone really think I would hold a grudge for a year and a half if this was about shaving?! No. This is about common respect. I was advertising *your* program -- I was making a sincere effort to send you my best traffic -- I even told my friends about your program... you had paid me several thousand dollars. You had the top ad spot on my page for many months! What do I get in return? A big slap in the face, accusations, and lies... Tonda seems to forget that I *never* whined to her or anyone at Shaw Inernet -- all of our conversations were pleasant... even though most of the time I was just on hold (haha) and she seemed to be trying to help me. Is Tonda a good liar? Does Brad Shaw pay her to lie? I have no idea but I'm damn curious. Too be honest I actually felt bad for her -- paid to tell lies. I suppose she is probably paid well to defend Brad Shaw's reputation on message boards -- trying to discredit a webmaster that was making a sincere effort to advertise Amateur Beaver (which is no longer online -- go figure...)

If I was really trying to cheat you -- why the fuck would I be so pissed off a year and a half later?! I was trying to sell your site! This is about respect. You think you can just push people around and they will go away -- wrong. Maybe if you were fucking AT&T or MCI you could get away with blowing people off -- but wake up -- this is a small world -- you need to treat people with more respect if you expect any in return. Maybe this is all about money to you and you have no morality -- in that case I'm very sad for you.

Am I bitter Brad? Hell yes. And it's not because of fucking money. I could care less about your damn money -- you can shove it up your ass. I hope it makes you feel real good to have lots of money... maybe you can afford to buy some more friends to kiss your ass.



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cant we all just get along.

Shit you guys are like a divorced couple!


What I remember best about the situation oer a year ago was how pissed you got when you would try to call Brad. They kept telling you that he was moving his boat!

Youd get soooo pisssed!

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interesting.

Maybe Shaw needs a shaman...

Hey Tonda,
Quick question.
What does qualified mean exactly.
and I gather anyone in V.3 is automatically upgraded to V.4

Thanks
Rick

Interesting with all these threats of lawsuits.

It's pretty rare that the other side doesn't feel they might have a case too I'd say.

This may have had something to do with the "Amateur Beaver" site having been a nearly exact replica of "Amateur Pages"...

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not sure about that?
Ive seen sites like busty amateurs and amateur pie with similar layouts also!

I think the lawsuit had to do with a automobile accident.

Lensman, you never fail to amaze me.

Is this the same Lensman that was begging me to come to his party at Internext?

No, it's the same Lensman that said "OK" when you asked if you could go. Since I try not to blacklist people, unlike you.

The same Lensman that you subsequently attacked on a smaller board (they're all smaller) after the show.

aww yeah!
The Jedi Masters are going at it!

At last.


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I am amazed lobster boy hasnt been found in a dumpster yet with his sack in his mouth.

Stop crying.

Shouldnt you be doing your job or something?

Do ccBill pay you to be an old and bitter woman on message boards or do you do this on the side for free?

hooray for bodyguards.

I am doing my job. Don't you need to get to work building gallery pages or something?

Who needs bodyguards?

Siccash sucks.

They owe me about 4,000.00 USD.

I want my money!

Cmon shaw, you aint stopping anyone from busting your ass.

Maybe your lawyers do, but your not stopping shit.