when will we round up this scum?
 

there are several VERIFIED reports of middle eastern men video taping prominent buildings in NY/NJ and when questioned about it they flee the area.
Also, 2 middle eastern men (now in fbi custody) attempted to buy $10,000.00 worth of candy.

what will it take before we start defending ourselves? A few more thousand people killed?

Maybe they got a sweet tooth. No?

I hear it was 10 grand worth of pop rocks but this is unconfirmed at the present time.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,...364909,00.html



"AMERICAN investigators are considering resorting to harsher interrogation techniques, including torture, after facing a wall of silence from jailed suspected members of Osama bin Laden?s al-Qaeda network, according to a report yesterday."

They're about to get serious.

Probably yes. Sept 11th is described as "a wake up call" and a "call to arms" etc, but I find that a lot of people still have their collective heads up their fucking arseholes as far as what could or may yet happen.

It goes hand in hand with my theory that people in general are stupid.
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[quote]Originally posted by BigDaddy:

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"AMERICAN investigators are considering resorting to harsher interrogation techniques, including torture, after facing a wall of silence from jailed suspected members of Osama bin Laden?s al-Qaeda network, according to a report yesterday." They're about to get serious.

It's about fucking time.

That begs the question: Why weren't we "serious" before 5500 people got killed in my backyard?



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10 grand worth of pop rocks dropped from a skyscraper would hit like a tactical nuke.

If we turn as barbarous as them in the way we conduct ourselves our society as a whole is regressing and not worth more then theirs.

i didnt know they still made pop rocks

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Yes, let's let them walk all over us.

Do people really need to "have it happen to them" before they wake up? Do you really need a letter laced with anthrax arrive at your home? Do you need one of your loved ones killed while at work before you support this war?

I say say our respective governments should use all the means necessary to get tough on these terrorsts. Anything less is likely going to prove even more disasterous.
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[This message has been edited by TheFLY (edited 10-22-2001).]

"as a result of looking down the abyss, the abyss looks inside us" - Frederick Nietzsche

When we become obsessed by the idea of monsters and terrorist the consequences are of great importance. There is an element of truth in Frederick Nietzsche?s statement; When we are convinced that we are facing events that do not seem typically human but more akin to the behaviour of savages, animals or monsters, many people (citizens as well as victims, the media and the police) may resort to behaviour, which does not respect the careful observance of established procedure. This kind of deviation will induce a large number of anomalies, ranging from rough justice to the manipulation of evidence.

In an time marked by a shifting moral criteria and by a high level of vulnerability, there is the constant risk of monster-hunts, inspired by the desire to hunt down a scapegoat to appease bloodthirsty public opinion. A step back from the process of civilization can be taken by whoever perpetrates the most hateful crimes as well as by the well intentioned who oppose these crimes. Private vendettas, the rejection of commitment for civil liberties, calls for lynching and capital punishment which become legitimate products of this new age of criminal phenomena.

Lets not go back to the middle ages.

I'll see your bumper sticker and raise you one.

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice."
-- Barry Goldwater 1964

"Jihad works both ways."
-- Gen. Barry MacCaffrey Ret.
Standing in front of the still burning Pentagon, September 12th, 2001


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[This message has been edited by BigDaddy (edited 10-22-2001).]

Many communities require a permit, but even that won't allow you to bring them within 500 feet of a K-12.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

? Benjamin Franklin

Eradicating a life threatening disease, such as small pox or islamic jihad, doesn't require surrendering either.

I don't know if they still make Fizzies, an Alka Seltzer like candy that fizzed like crazy then turned your glass of water into a colored, flavored soft drink.

10 grand of Fizzies in the right rivers could blow up every dam in the western US.

Anyone ever feed their cat pop rocks? Their panic is hilarious. I love my kitties, don't get me wrong, but they are fun to fuck with.

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you're going to hell

I wonder if millita enrolement is up?
THose people are starting to seem not so crazy.

?We?re into this thing for 35 days and nobody is talking. Frustration has begun to appear,? a senior FBI official told The Washington Post.

fuck me, by day two Id have them hanging upside down like one of those ducks in a chinese restraunt, with lemon juice dripping over their body as I work a cheese grater over their skin.

Testimony under torture is useless.

If we look back in history, millions of people died because of hysterical and paranoid people. This could be just the beginning...

"Overall, the severity of torture has fluctuated, growing and receding with the passing of each new time period, but eventually reverting to its original state."

Shame on all you blood thirsty mofo's!

Check out this link: http://www.augustana.edu/academ/hist...craft/tor6.htm

"Julius Caesar only tortured his conquered enemies as an example for other potential foes (Mannix 29). Eventually, however, things would change. Roman savagery is second to none in its public appeal and widespread usage....The insatiable bloodlust of the Roman public was hard to satisfy; by the time of Claudius there were often 1000 or more victims in the arenas at a time (Mannix 30)."

"During the time period from after the fall of Rome till the 13th Century, torture was used mainly as a weapon of private citizens and eventually the State...Torture was then adopted by rulers that realized that their citizens respected such a display of force (Scott 10). And as one form of torture would become commonplace, the next generation of people would adopt more harsh forms of punishment (13).

Sounds a lot like what's going on now. First you start beating up a few peace protestors -- then you start burning them alive. You get used to killing people just like T. McVeigh did in the Gulf War.
http://www.courttv.com/national/2000...cveigh_ap.html

"Asked if it is acceptable to use violence against the government, McVeigh said: "If government is the teacher, violence
would be an acceptable option.
What did we do to Sudan? What did we do to Afghanistan? Belgrade? What are we doing with the death penalty? It appears they
use violence as an option all the time,"
McVeigh said."
Anyway I'm still hungover... what a fucked up night I had last night.

BURN THE WITCH! BURN THE WITCH!

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Shall I save you a seat?

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I can't wait til a couple preachers in the bible belt want to start torturing adult webmasters for contributing to the moral decay...

It's going to really be fun when a couple blue haired old ladies dressed in their Sunday best hand down a verdict of "guilty" to an adult webmaster for conducting terrorism of morals....



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Actually, it's the terrorists who are killing American's based on religious beliefs.

We're defending ourselves.

Daddy's giving me a treat! Daddy must love me!

Bam!

Torture terrorists, not cats.

Being an adult webmaster isn't even close to killing 6,000 people & plunging the world into a recession.

& If you havent noticed they have not stopped. What will it take another 6,000 dead to make you realize that maybe a little medevil tactecs arent such a bad idea.

"An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind." Gandhi

Gandhi's tactic of non-violent resistance was only possible because he used it against the Brits, a democratic people with respect for human rights. Had he tried it against Hitler, or the Taliban, they would have driven over him with a tank.

Fuck Gandhi.

Okay Wizdom, what exactly DO you think we ("we" being the free western society that is currently being attacked by terrrorism) should do?

It's easy to point out how wrong it is to retaliate, and it's easy to toss out little snippets of wisdom (no pun) like "an eye for an eye" etc, but why not try suggesting a reasonable course of action then?

Nobody here is saying we should start going nuts, no one's saying that we should start grabbing arabs off the street and killing them. What I'M saying is that people like you need to wake up and start realizing that you (yes YOU) are being threatened by other people in the world. Those people could care less about the French separatist problems, they couldn't give a rats ass about Quebec or all of Canada or the US. They fucking hate all of us and the way we live and breath, and they won't be happy until we are all dead, in the name of their fucking so-called god Allah. Now, do you want to sit there and spout your pithy little quotes? or do you want to start thinking about better ways of protecting our children from these fucking animals.

You always set yourself up as this much wiser person than the rest of us, but I don't see much in the way of solutions coming from you. Now why is that?
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wizdom and sykboy2 represent part of the problem in this country. It's lucky for them their foolishness isn't the majority or there would be no United States. (or world as we know it)

I'm for rounding up suspicious acting middle eastern men. If you've got a pack of wild dogs killing sheep, you round up ALL loose dogs until you can sort them out.
Same thing here.
The sniveling liberals in this country who want to tell you how evil it is to do this never offer up a better way because their is none. In war, things that are distasteful HAPPEN. These things also save lives. maybe even yours.

12clicks -- Exactly right. In times of trouble, I go with what works. I sometimes get criticized, and I can take that criticism as long as it comes coupled with a better way of accomplishing the goal. In other words, don't fucking criticize me unless you've got a better fucking solution. It's easy to criticize others, any fool can do it. Life get's more interesting and challenging when you attempt to offer up a better gameplan.
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I find nothing wrong with that thinking in the least. If I see such a person loitering around a government building, and I notice that person leaving a paper bag in the public washroom, I would damn well do something about it. Like call the police, maybe even detain the person myself if I thought that's what would help.

However, I wouldn't limit this to only the men. I put nothing past these terrorists, nothing at all. I'm sure they will go to whatever lengths necessary to get their work done, even putting bombs on kids and women etc.

12clicks.. where did you read the thing on candy.. i would like to see that

By the way, we had 4 anthrax scares here in Winnipeg last week. It's hitting close to home, but obviously not close enough for some people. Like I say, it's real easy for people to say how aweful we all are for attacking others. Funny it is how fast those same people scream for blood and vengeance when their own loved ones are hurt or slaughtered.

I'm thinking they don't respect their women enough to think they can get the job done.