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Dpope 10-07-2004 12:06 PM

Abby Winters promotes cheating their affiliates
 
Hard to believe... but it's true.

Abby started a thread on their website bitching about the costs of affiliates and explaining how they will get more money if the surfer deletes the cookies before they sign up.

See for yourself at:

http://www.abbywinters.com/vbulletin...ed=1#post20628

Spread it to other boards...

These people are shit if they will tell their members and potential members how to cheat the affiliates out of their marketing efforts.

andrey 10-07-2004 01:44 PM

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scoreman 10-07-2004 01:46 PM

http://www.q-tease.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=306

Manowar 10-07-2004 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scoreman
http://www.q-tease.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=306
:warning

C_U_Next_Tuesday 10-07-2004 01:56 PM

thats some fucked up shit! ..she is busted :1orglaugh

seven 10-07-2004 02:08 PM

who the fuck really cares? didn't even know about that site til now lol also 50% and no rebill? That's a joke I tell you :1orglaugh

GuestHouse 10-07-2004 02:17 PM

OK, I wonder how that site will survive now. I bet it lives cos of it's affiliates - which he/she/they are fucking bad. And at the same time him/her/them-self!

:BangBang: :feels-hot

If you don't want affiliates - get your own traffic, but stop being a jerkass ripping of those that help you make money! :321GFY

adultguus 10-07-2004 02:31 PM

I read the screen caps on your site. I simply don't believe this. It's like you stated there. If you hate your affiliates so badly, why have a affiliate program at all!

Unbelievable!

DVTimes 10-07-2004 02:35 PM

http://www.q-tease.com/AbbyWinters/11.jpg

http://www.q-tease.com/AbbyWinters/8.jpg

detoxed 10-07-2004 02:40 PM

lol

adultguus 10-07-2004 02:44 PM

I posted some 'nice' pieces of my mind in the Abby Winters forum. I wonder how long it will be there, before deleted :)

PrivateIvy 10-07-2004 02:46 PM

Some people are just clueless when it comes to business :glugglug


Ivy

DVTimes 10-07-2004 02:56 PM

Quote:


We are unlike most adult websites. We are run differently, our members expect different things, and our content is different to what you may be used to.

All of these things combined means we run our affiliate program differently to what you might be used to. While we're interested in growing our site, we're not going to do the things many affiliates demand. We'd love to have you on board, but our site is doing just fine without you.



Series 10-07-2004 02:58 PM

Wow... thanks for the heads-up :thumbsup

Fake Nick 10-07-2004 03:34 PM

the actual thread is easyier to read :)

http://www.abbywinters.com/vbulletin...ead.php?t=2182

pornguy 10-07-2004 03:40 PM

Did any of you look at the women that she has in the tour??

Yuck.

I can not imagine why someone would pay for that.

There are tons of amateur sites out there with better looking women.

emthree 10-07-2004 03:43 PM

what dumb and clueless broad :2 cents:

The Other Steve 10-07-2004 03:43 PM

Last time I heard, the 'she' of Abbey Winters was actually a 'he'.

quantum-x 10-07-2004 03:44 PM

Hah, 50%? Don't be kidding!
Abby Winters is probably one of the rudest, people I've met in this industry.

Here's a summary
45% Initial - No Rebills!

I emailed her about this. Here's her reply.

Quote:

Hi Simon

The cut we offer does not change over time.

We run the program how we see fit. Plenty of people don't like it, and
that's fine - we're not desperate for affiliates.

Looking at the sample designs you provide, I don't think we're compatible
anyway.

pornstar2pac 10-07-2004 03:44 PM

next she will be talking about placing tiny little classified ads in newspapers to make millions:2 cents:

stocktrader23 10-07-2004 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Other Steve
Last time I heard, the 'she' of Abbey Winters was actually a 'he'.
Which was my first though anyhow.

DVTimes 10-07-2004 03:58 PM

So who does promote his/her site?

If so do you do well from it.

I will not promote it at all.:(

Series 10-07-2004 04:16 PM

haha... now you're a spammer if you host with webair... what a joke... http://www.abbywinters.com/vbulletin...ead.php?t=2798

CDSmith 10-07-2004 04:17 PM

This from one of her site members....
Quote:

are you saying that 50% of what comes out of my Credit card goes to some mongrel company that dont do nothing for this site???
I can understand when a non-webmaster doesn't grasp the fact that the affilliate (referring) webmaster had to work very hard for many hours also, to build his sites and pages and to promote and get the traffic so that dear Abby could have him as a member.


But she should know better. Checked this out, in Abby's post....
Quote:

My main problem with the affs, is that I work my arse off 80, 90 hours a week to make the site as best as I possibly can. The staff I employ work hard as well, and they care about the site too. Yet I have to give away HALF of my gross to some lazy (six to ten hours a week's work) guys who make a few web pages with MY images, and post them on the net!?

Hardly seems fair...

But to look at it from their side, they know the places and ways to post these pages of my images for the most amount of sales - that honestly does takes time and experience. And, some - they argue most - of their joins would never have found my site, and incrementally, it does not cost me much to add a member to the site... so it's income I'd be otherwise missing out on.

I don't pay out rebills
Sorry, but this Abby is an utterly clueless bitch of the worst order.

1. Why HAVE an affiliate program at all if you're just going to bitch about having to pay them?

2. Excuse me bitch, but you wouldn't even HAVE most of your members if not for them finding their way to your site via affilliate links.

3. You don't pay affiliates on rebills? Ha ha.... then those who ARE promoting Abby's site are also clueless morons. Why not send your traffic to a pay-per-signup that pays out TWICE what Abby is paying?? Or join a decent partnership program that does pay on rebills.



Holy shit I cannot believe the bitch cut her own throat like this. I would never promote a site where the owner thinks his/her affiliates are a huge waste of money to the point where she would even suggest to or discuss with members about how to remove referral cookies etc.

The term brain-dead doesn't seem quite strong enough in this case.

marzzo 10-07-2004 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith

1. Why HAVE an affiliate program at all if you're just going to bitch about having to pay them?

2. Excuse me bitch, but you wouldn't even HAVE most of your members if not for them finding their way to your site via affilliate links.

3. You don't pay affiliates on rebills? Ha ha.... then those who ARE promoting Abby's site are also clueless morons. Why not send your traffic to a pay-per-signup that pays out TWICE what Abby is paying?? Or join a decent partnership program that does pay on rebills.

Holy shit I cannot believe the bitch cut her own throat like this. I would never promote a site where the owner thinks his/her affiliates are a huge waste of money to the point where she would even suggest to or discuss with members about how to remove referral cookies etc.

The term brain-dead doesn't seem quite strong enough in this case.

Well said CD :thumbsup

andrej_NDC 10-07-2004 04:40 PM

damn, she is just too stupid, almost as her members and thats even more sad...
Its the same as when some football player says he dont care about fans and dont know that they pay him...

The Other Steve 10-07-2004 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
This from one of her site members.... I can understand when a non-webmaster doesn't grasp the fact that the affilliate (referring) webmaster had to work very hard for many hours also, to build his sites and pages and to promote and get the traffic so that dear Abby could have him as a member.


But she should know better. Checked this out, in Abby's post....
Sorry, but this Abby is an utterly clueless bitch of the worst order.

1. Why HAVE an affiliate program at all if you're just going to bitch about having to pay them?

2. Excuse me bitch, but you wouldn't even HAVE most of your members if not for them finding their way to your site via affilliate links.

3. You don't pay affiliates on rebills? Ha ha.... then those who ARE promoting Abby's site are also clueless morons. Why not send your traffic to a pay-per-signup that pays out TWICE what Abby is paying?? Or join a decent partnership program that does pay on rebills.



Holy shit I cannot believe the bitch cut her own throat like this. I would never promote a site where the owner thinks his/her affiliates are a huge waste of money to the point where she would even suggest to or discuss with members about how to remove referral cookies etc.

The term brain-dead doesn't seem quite strong enough in this case.

Nice guy - the guy behind Abbey Winters - one of natures all round anal warts.

I can remember when he had no affiliates and another photograher here in Australia put up some galleries for him on the Hun.

Now his affiliates are all lazy people who only work a few hours and take all his hard earned money :disgust :ugone2far

BRISK 10-07-2004 04:47 PM

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

seven 10-07-2004 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quantum-x
Here's a summary
45% Initial - No Rebills!

Not even 45% that's 50-7.5 (1/2 of processing fee for a small site/program) = 42.5% no rebill. If I tgped or bought traffic to promote him/her wouldn't cover my cost.

This is the reason why I like sponsors who were affiliates of other programs first. If you were only some model or noob webmaster with no prior experience opened up a paysite barely covering costs this is the kinda unprofessional attitude you'd show :2 cents:

Steen2 10-07-2004 06:03 PM

That bitch.

evildick 10-07-2004 06:06 PM

I'd like to punch that JohnMunch guy in the teeth. Cookie-clearing cocksucker.

seven 10-07-2004 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by evildick
I'd like to punch that JohnMunch guy in the teeth. Cookie-clearing cocksucker.
That's why sponsors should use ip matching scripts also :winkwink: How long is the aw's cookie set to expire btw? With that kinda attitude I wouldn't be surprised if it's set to expire in 5 minutes or something..

sean416 10-07-2004 06:35 PM

http://www.abbywinters.com/affiliates.php

Quote:

No bullshit.

We are unlike most adult websites. We are run differently, our members expect different things, and our content is different to what you may be used to.

All of these things combined means we run our affiliate program differently to what you might be used to. While we're interested in growing our site, we're not going to do the things many affiliates demand. We'd love to have you on board, but our site is doing just fine without you.

Here's what we offer to you as an affiliate:
50% on initial subscription
No rebills
It's that simple. This might be your cue to say "pffft! no fucking way, dude!", and that's fine - our program is not for you.

We convert at about 1:50 to 1:100 for good traffic. Don't bother to use exit consoles to send us traffic. Last time we looked, you'd be lucky to get 1:10,000. As there are so many cowboys about, we don't have many affiliates - under 20 currently. Those guys make a good living from us alone, and while they do have to put in a little more work than some other sites, that work pays off. So if you're looking for a quick buck, you're on the wrong site. There are plenty of suckers out there, but we're not one of them.

We use GMBill.com as our primary billing company.
Thats whats on her webmasters sign up page. who in the blue fuck would read that and sign up???

StuBradley 10-07-2004 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by evildick
I'd like to punch that JohnMunch guy in the teeth. Cookie-clearing cocksucker.
Im sure that JohnMunch and Abby are one in the same.

KDizzla 10-07-2004 07:42 PM

I love their content. :)

Gynecologist 10-07-2004 07:50 PM

With a first name like "Abby" are you really surprised? :)

SlutFinder 10-07-2004 07:57 PM

maybe she should take a look at the bank balance when no webmasters promote her

mailman 10-07-2004 08:00 PM

screw her posts thats just stupid.. but



No rebills



WTF?

addrian 10-07-2004 08:00 PM

sucks :BangBang:

warlock5 10-07-2004 08:41 PM

If affiliates are so lazy why do they need them?


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