Shit. What a deal! What a program! Where do I sign up? :glugglug

Talk about biting the hand that feeds. She (he) even admits that the promoting webmasters know where to post to drive the best, and most, traffic to the site.

That's worth something right there! Damn.

It's like that old joke about the computer repair dude who charges $100 for pressing a button -- it's $5 for pressing the button and $95 for knowing which button to press.

That's why I'm looking for affiliates for this site I just built. I need quality traffic, and you guys know where to find it. I could spend hours learning where to promote, but I have a site to maintain. That's why we pay 50% on signups AND rebills via ccbill. It's only fair for a sale I wouldn't have anyway.
<shameless plug - getting off soapbox>

That's lovely!

"Around half to a third of all our joins are from affiliates, which means, it's a big chunk of the gross income."

Only half??? She must deserve all the affiliate traffic plus all the money too! Damn those cookies.

That is a very stupid attitude AW has.

The thread I started at abbywinters.com:

http://www.abbywinters.com/vbulletin...ead.php?t=2798

And this was my last reply there :)

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How nice all this sympathy for Abby.

First of all, I was never and will never be an abbywinters.com affiliate. I choose my programs carefully and 50% on initial subscription and no rebills is, I think, the worst I've ever seen in this business.

Secondly, most of you clearly don't understand what it takes to be a GOOD and honest affiliate. Sure there are affiliates trying to make sales whatever it takes, as also there are pay site members trying to screw up the pay site owners with their charge backs and everything (talk to any pay site owner and he'll admit this).

I spend over $3k USD monthly alone on promoting my sponsors, it takes me about 8 hours DAILY (and not weekly as Abby tries to make you believe, there are affiliates spending this weekly and they don't make money), so don't anybody give me this shit about affiliates being people that make easy money! Making money as an affiliate is just as hard as making money as a pay site owner. And don't think I'm a big player. There are lots of people putting in MUCH more effort than I do.

Then you visit the wrong TGPs. Visit The Hun (http://www.thehun.com), the biggest TGP around. He chooses the galleries he lists very carefully and makes sure there are no pop-ups, or any shit in it, OR even in the sponsor pages they promote.

50% AND NO REBILLS, is the lowest I've ever seen in this industry. There are sponsors paying $40 to their affiliates, when the surfer only takes a tour of a few bucks. Why you ask? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S WORTH TO THEM! Ask any sponsor what is most important about a pay site and most of them will answer 'enough affiliates to promote it'.

As I said, I'm not, and have never been an abbywinters.com affiliate. This was just spread around some adult webmaster boards.

That would be a no, and the people who did sign-up for this affiliate program are a couple of morons, because they could have made at least double the money as they did with abbywinters.com

I'm not from Amsterdam, and why would that be an interesting thing to know?

Don't get me wrong here. I understand that for surfers it's hard to understand what affiliates do and it looks like all they do is taking money. But you should see it this way, an affiliate is like the company that makes a TV commercial. Do any of you really think that they are getting their money without doing anything for it? Do any of you think that a brand like Coca Cola or Nike or whatever big name comes up to you would still be that big in another 10 years when they stopped promoting themselfs through those companies?

I can ensure you that affiliates are exactly the same as those commercial companies. The good ones KNOW how to promote a pay site and where to promote it. Affiliates are the ones that make pay sites big, NOT the pay site owner.

I'd be happy to show all of you some more insights of being an affiliate (btw, that's not the only thing I do), but I kind of have the feeling you all will still sympathise with Abby.

So in the meantime, let's talk about Abby. I see all of you are referring to Abby as a she. With me she goes for a female right? Well, Abby might be a clueless motherf*cker and one of the worst people to work with in the adult industry, calling this guy a woman is something I even wouldn't do.

Again, I'd be glad to explain some more details to you all, just let me know.
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Kind of like fucking around with those clueless surfers :)

BUSTED..... FINALLY

I had some unfortunate dealings with this BITCH , SHEMALE whatever a few months ago and she posted some slanderous shit about me on her boards....

Very unprofessional person. Very rude and obviously cares not about any other webmasters or customers.

How is she even a model anyway?... She is UGLY AS SIN!

I decided not to post here at the time but now that everybody else is beginning to notice that she is corrupt, SUPERB!

Get this ugly dog bitch of the internet.

Ed

That one's definitely going on my blacklist.

Too Bad for Abby Winters...

She hung herself with this one...

But we all know that this shit happens more often...

So, just because Abby was so quick to apologize (not)...

Can you all be sure that this is posted on any other forum where hard working affiliates hang out ("with nothing to do" according to Abby's latest response)

The original screen shots:

http://www.q-tease.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=327#327


:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

There is some guy saying he would rather see Abby in a Lambo than the affiliates? If she only realised it she could probably have that Lambo pretty quickly as opposed to it being a pipedream if she worked with affiliates.

50% w/ no rebills is tantamount to theft, but telling and encouraging surfers to delete cookies etc IS theft.

This is the equivalent to having a salesman, and cutting out his %, but taking his sales.

If a sponsor ever discusses their monetary situation with their affiliates, they're fucking idiots. Surfers don't want to know that they're fucking someone's private fortune.

Treat your affiliates like shit, and you're jsut stupid. Reputation is everything. I hate rude people in this business.

Any replies from Abby somewhere?

word CD

most programs bend backwards for their affiliates..this is the complete other way around

affiliates are the lifeblood of this industry. You don't shit on them or turn up your nose. I know for the company I work for, we take imput from our affiliates very seriously, and a lot of our time is spent insuring that we can provide the tools they need to help them make more money. You don't act like it is such a pain in the ass to have them.
50% and no rebills?? I am amazed that she has even one affiliate, but she has a whopping 20 heh heh
sad fact is, as stupid as they are, they will probably survive this and keep making money


spaz

I'd fuck her, drunk and with two condoms.

She does say that the webmasters know where to post and how to get people to join. What she fails to mention is that for many it takes years to build up your traffic and a lot of money put into it.

With that attitude, heshe likely shaves too imho :2 cents:

It's been said by others - how on earth has he managed to get any affiliates in the first place? Amazing.

1. You find a topic, almost 1 year old, and start whining by quoting one line at the time, without reading AND understanding the hole message.
2. Next, you act like trolls, and start dramas on every single forum you find. Even non-webmaster forums (picture and gallery posting forums). Misleading other people with only one objective: to harm abbywinters.com?

I don't know what your motivation is, and since I'm affiliate myself, I read the hole "story" and the topics posted on different boards.

First of all, I can NOT find any places where Abby encourage surfers to delete their cookies. Neither on her forum, or at mainsite or signup page. She brings the subject, maybe from a wrong perspective, but the intention was to discuss the costs of making and maintain an adult website. And payment to affiliates is one of those costs. 50 % is a lots of money, and suddenly you are surprised that paysite owners considering their revshare revenue??? Welcome to adult business...

Abby is honest about it by bringing it up, and at least she is not cheating, like some others you "trust".
For those of you who suspect she is cheating affiliates, check your stats. I can only speak for myself, and say that abbywinters is on my toplist when it is converted to dollars compared to traffic. I have enough data to compare; over 100 million hits, to couple of thousands promoted paysites, over many years.

Second, for those of you complaining of the "missing" rebill option: this is a revshare program, and you get 50 % on different options. Never heard of that before?
When I get 75$ revenue for one year signups, I do not complain about it, do I? If you know how to promote a website, you will get those signups.

I respect abbywinters excellent program, the treatening of their amateur models, and affiliate policy that not only raise the quality but also try to selfregulate the adult market through the latest ICRA requirements. I also respect affiliates that put some soul and effort into their work. They have it all: tons of promotional tools, unique models, great ratios and abby does not bullshit you. What more can you ask for?

But what I hate, is lazy affiliates that live in their mamas basement and think they can have money for beer by doing nothing, because when it comes to serious work, they have really no clue how to do two-way business. Or they are too lazy to think requirements as a challenge.

Take it or leave it, but stop creating dramas based on lies - and stop posting at public pic/gallery posting boards, including mine, that only confirm some kind of hate crusade, because it does not belong there.

Need sex?

Some program owners never understand the brutal work of submitting, getting preferred accounts, fighting for a join, I have not submitted myself in a while, it's a job I leave to the pros, our affiliates :)

No, I just take care of great sponsors that take care of me :thumbsup

If you like this payout structure, cool for you ;)

There is no mistake Dane, his/her words were perfectly clear to me. Don't come here and defend this Abby person, you're wasting your time, as he/she isn't worth defending.

Spin it any way you want, but the meaning was and is clear. I would no more promote that program than cut my own throat. If I found posts from any of my existing sponsors that were anything close to that shit I would drop their links so fast their whole family would shit bricks.

And not paying on rebills? Fuck that. He/she is lucky to have found twenty morons willing to take such a pay cut when they could be making ten times that with a proper partnership. Amazingly, I STILL get rebill cheques from Oxcash for joins I sent three years ago. That can never happen with the abbywinters program because of the lousy shitty attitude towards their affiliates.


If you insist on defending the indefensible, you'll only make yourself look more ridiculous than you already do. Your call, of course.

Get a clue

Yup I've promoted sites for 3 years so I know how hard promoters work.. Any program like this that turns their backs on promoters give the hard working programs a bad name.

Btw, how you can do 75$ per signup in 1 year ? if its 50% of the initial join, and NO rebills?

Care to explain?

Wake up dude/girl - dont be naive and think every paysite owners are happy to payout 50 %!!
I've spoken to several paysiteowner and models in private, that don't think this is a fair percentage. But it's the market conditions, and therefor most programs is 50 %.
Abby posted that 1 year (!) ago, of course a mistake. However, many surfers read that post before they signup, so I think that "shaver" effect is minimal.

Posting it on board, or hear it in private...some other sites however, without mentioning names, shave a with hosted galleries etc, and I am more worry about them. In the end, I look on my stats, and where the money come from and not come from. That what counts. I have some 3-4 years rebills too, but they can not match the total income from abby. Its not the rebills, its the site that convert. Directing traffic to another site is waste, because they dont have the same models. Rather spread it out...

And "ridiculous"??? Posting that hate hate treads on gallery/pic-boards, is ridiculous. The pornsurfers give a shit about that, so for me, it only looks like some personal crusade. If it only sticked to adult webmaster boards, I would take it more serious :glugglug

Finally, yes its my call - I dont complain on 75$ revenue and excellent ratios. And the less affiliates, less competitors :thumbsup

You can sign up for one year membership. It cost 150$.

I will be perfectly happy paying my affiliates a fair share. I think it's completely fair to pay on rebills, considering that most paysite webmasters don't depend on the membership revenue alone, but also have upsells to toys, physical goods, etc. Affiliates are so incredibly important and they deserve to be treated that way, whether they send one signup a month or 100 a day. :)

oh ok, everyone take the 1 year membership with your links ;)

I understand ;)

I agree with that of course.
But 3 month membership or 1 month + 2 rebills, is the same.

not everyone :1orglaugh

but the one year option is about 10 % of my total revenue, which I believe is higher than other sites with rebill options

Personally, what would bother me if I was an affiliate wouldn't be the fact that there are no rebills. I mean, if that is the way the owner wants to run their program, that's fine, as long as it's fully disclosed before signing up.

The problem I would have is being called a lazy webmaster and being completely trashed on the message board. It's clear that the owner doesn't appreciate the hard work webmasters to do earn him money, and after being talked about like that, I would want to take my traffic to a program where I was at least given quiet indifference and not outspoken contempt. :2 cents:

But I can understand your point. If it works for you and you don't mind sending your traffic to someone who would talk about their affiliates that way, that's okay, too. :)

This is exactly my point for posting on this tread:

Someone starts a hate tread by posting some few quotes. And of course people dont bother go to the forum, and read the hole topic so it makes more sense. It ends up with that they believe it.

I saw this topic and my thought was "wtf"?? then I went to abbys forum, and meantime I also hear that someone spammed it at my forum, which is not for adult webmasters, but surfers. That confirmed what this tread was all about.

Then they either shouldn't have an affiliate program as part of their business model, or they should simply offer smaller percentages.

Of course they won't attract as many affiliates, but tough shit if you're going to be a cheapass shortsighted idiot.

And I'm a dude. A known dude at that. Abby, however, is widely suspected to be non-female.

As I said, spin it any way you want to, tell yourself whatever you need to. Fact is, based on what Abby posted and the reaction he/she caused in some of her paying members, some of whom were referred by AFFILIATES I might add, was way out of line and a very very stupid thing for a program owner to do. If you are happy promoting someone like that, well, what can I say? Lie down with dogs, end up with fleas.

Wasn't it Abby who first posted this nonsense? If he/she opened the door, tough shit if affiliate webmasters feel the need to go in there and set the bitch straight. The bed was made by Abby, so Abby best lie in it. You again look even more ridiculous by whining about it here.

Let's do some basic math shall we? If your referred surfer signs up for a year, you make a one-time payout of $75, correct?

Now, here's the thing..... if *I* send a signup to a good program that has a proper partnership option, and that surfer stays a member for even six months, I can make more than you right there. Some partnerships pay me 50%, or about $15 per.... but a few pay a bit more and have a bit more expensive membership fees, and I make more like $20 per. SO, if *MY* member stays a member for a year I would make as much as three times what you made of *your* member at Abby's site.

Tell me again how good the money is? :1orglaugh


But hey, if you're happy that's all that matters.

I'm just saying you won't catch me promoting the bitch. I don't like what she had to say, I don't like the attitude shown towards affiliates, and I don't like the business model they operate. Obviously a lot of other webmasters side likewise, and are wise to do so.

Good luck to you though. Seriously.

If you are talking basic math, there is also one other important variable: ratios

You cant just isolate the signup options, because if the ratios is for example 6 times better I would end up with more money :winkwink:

And you also have to consider the site itself. If one surfer don't signup for my promoted one, its not the same that he would sign up for another website.

Hey, for all those people who bitch that 50% and recurring payous takes all their profit- one word, upsells.

Thanks, you can write your cheques of appreciation to me.

btw.. 75 from one member? pffft. Try a real program like FTV girls where you make 75 initial and THEN the rebills.

Yes, some program owners are totally clueless ;(

I saw worst than that from a penis pills company i sent traffic for.

I used their google friendly link code on many PR domains , and i got rank 4 for a related term for months.

One day, i saw this affiliate program owner using AdWords on the same term ... totally gay

1 week later i saw the owner posting on a SEO forum, and tell the members he got an affiliate cheating them because he steal their traffic they pay for in a Adwords campaign because the affiliate link code is ranked #4 for this related keyword in google. And he was asking advice about that.

Others fuck in the forum said to the owner to modify the link code , and redirect the traffic from this link code in the in-house account.

What a bunch of retards.

2 days later , i received a email from the affiliate program, and they tell me, we upgraded our system , we modify all ppl link code...bla bla bla , lot of bullshit finally.

A few days later my affiliate code was always working to their site, but redirected in the in-house account, no signup counted for me.

So i removed all links from my PR network , and they lost this link in google in about 2 weeks.

So yes, some affiliates owners are completly clueless. Now they need to use Adwords only on this term, and they have a competitor on rank 4 ...

If they want to set her straight, then they can go in there and do it. But posting copy and paste randomly all over is whining. So I'm not the one who whine here. Just pointing out how n00b this behaviour is - and the fact that I know more than I want to post here.

who or what the fuck is "abby winters" ?

never heard of it... and now i know why! :1orglaugh