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BustIt 06-23-2004 11:58 AM

Moore's Movie Slammed
 
Dollar: Hitchens on Michael Moore's Latest "Documentary" (June 22, 2004)
The Left's Christopher Hitchens (columnist for Vanity Fair) on Michael Moore's latest movie: http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/?GT1=3584#correct

The money quote:
Moore's movie is "a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of 'dissenting' bravery."

On Moore and his admirers:
"To [Moore], easy applause, in front of credulous audiences, is everything."

On Moore's 'history' of Iraq:
"We are introduced to Iraq, 'a sovereign nation.' (In fact, Iraq's 'sovereignty' was heavily qualified by international sanctions, however questionable, which reflected its noncompliance with important U.N. resolutions.) In this peaceable kingdom, according to Moore's flabbergasting choice of film shots, children are flying little kites, shoppers are smiling in the sunshine, and the gentle rhythms of life are undisturbed. Then?wham! From the night sky come the terror weapons of American imperialism...I don't think Al Jazeera would, on a bad day, have transmitted anything so utterly propagandistic. You would also be led to think that the term 'civilian casualty' had not even been in the Iraqi vocabulary until March 2003..."

On debating Moore:
"...I think we can agree that the film is so flat-out phony that 'fact-checking' is beside the point. And as for the scary lawyers--get a life, or maybe see me in court. But I offer this, to Moore and to his rapid response rabble. Any time, Michael my boy. Let's redo Telluride. Any show. Any place. Any platform. Let's see what you're made of."

On Moore's documentary standards:
"But if you leave out absolutely everything that might give your 'narrative' a problem and throw in any old rubbish that might support it, and you don't even care that one bit of that rubbish flatly contradicts the next bit, and you give no chance to those who might differ, then you have betrayed your craft. ... At no point does Michael Moore make the smallest effort to be objective. At no moment does he pass up the chance of a cheap sneer or a jeer."

Basic_man 06-23-2004 12:00 PM

Thanks for sharing! :thumbsup

BustIt 06-23-2004 12:02 PM

My pleasure!

The Vanity Fair Critique is excellent. You should read the entire thing.

Magnus 06-23-2004 12:04 PM

yeah it got slammed in Caans with the Palm D'or.

Deepai 06-23-2004 12:05 PM

yea but opinions are like assholes...they usually stink...:2 cents:

nofx 06-23-2004 12:07 PM

good tactic. discredit it, put it down, talk about how its full of lies, maybe some people wont go see it now.

supress the truth. the people cannot think for themselves.

doober 06-23-2004 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magnus3X
yeah it got slammed in Caans with the Palm D'or.
rofl

NoCarrier 06-23-2004 12:42 PM

Yeah.. The critics didn't like it.. :1orglaugh

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/Fahrenheit911-1133649/

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/ima...fied_fresh.gif

Fresh: 33 Rotten: 9

79% Loved it.

"[Moore's] most disciplined and powerful movie to date."
A.O. Scott, The New York Times

"The movie's conclusions -- true or otherwise -- and highly emotional interviews with bereaved parents and injured soldiers will have a big impact on audiences around the world."
-- Ian Youngs, BBC

"Say what you will about Moore's politics, but he knows how to make a good movie."
-- Willie Waffle, WAFFLEMOVIES.COM

"...see if you don't cringe when you see Bush talk to the media about being dedicated to fighting terrorism and segue into "Now watch this drive!" as he tees off."
-- John Venable, SUPERCALA.COM

"The result is a scary, funny, moving and angry film is perhaps the most devastating item leveled at a sitting U.S. President since the days of Watergate."
-- Peter Sobczynski, CRITIC DOCTOR


"Right now, in the summer of 2004, Fahrenheit 9/11 is an absolute good."
-- Eugene Novikov, FILM BLATHER

"...neither a great director or a great thinker, [Moore] has managed to make a film that is tough and true ? if not in the particulars, in its grave and profound progress."
-- Philip Martin, ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE

"Makes you want to go straight to the White House and punch everyone in the gut. "
-- Kevin N. Laforest, MONTREAL FILM JOURNAL

"In pure filmic terms, Fahrenheit 911 is a second-rate documentary, but it is first-rate entertainment and top-notch muckraking."
-- Mark Keizer, BOXOFFICE MAGAZINE

"...if there is one movie that you will see this year, make sure that it's Fahrenheit 9/11."
-- JoBlo, JOBLO'S MOVIE EMPORIUM

"Not just a scathing indictment against the President.. but a deeply patriotic movie which reminds us of the principal tenets which makes a true democracy so great"
-- Edward Havens, FILMJERK.COM

"It's angry agit-prop - a brilliant blame game - and its real effectiveness as muckraking propaganda may be reflected by the outcome of the November elections."
-- Susan Granger, WWW.SUSANGRANGER.COM

". . . an explosive and heart wrenching piece of cinema . . ."
-- Mark Salisbury, PREMIERE MAGAZINE

"The conditional humanity that marred much of Bowling For Columbine is here, but [the result is] powerful, maddening and heartfelt."
-- Mark Palermo, COAST (HALIFAX, NOVA SCOTIA)


"Its politics notwithstanding, the art of Fahrenheit 9/11 is extraordinary."
-- David Levine, FILMCRITIC.COM

"It?s less about catching officials off guard than about showing how the nation?s number one official is permanently off guard."
-- Ben Kenigsberg, EAST HAMPTON INDEPENDENT


"What I look for in a Moore film is not an objective study, but passionate commitment, honest outrage and biting sarcasm. In this case, two outta three ain?t bad."
-- Dan Jardine, APOLLO GUIDE

"Like him or not, once you see it, you?ll have to admit that the guy has balls."
-- Stefan Halley, HERO REALM

"If Fahrenheit 9/11 feels like a work in progress, that?s only natural?by film?s end, you get a sense that it'll never be finished until George W. Bush is too."
-- Ed Gonzalez, SLANT MAGAZINE

"Moore portrays Bush as a thicko hick who spent 42% of his first eight months in office on vacation."
-- Annette Dasey, TELETEXT (UK)


"If Moore is formidable, it's not because he is a great filmmaker (far from it), but because he infuses his sense of ridicule with the fury of moral indignation. Fahrenheit 9/11 is strongest when that wrath is vented on Bush and his cohorts."
-- J. Hoberman, VILLAGE VOICE

"The film doesn't go for satirical humor the way Moore's Roger & Me and Bowling for Columbine did. Moore's narration is still often sarcastic, but frequently he lets his footage speak for itself."
-- Roger Ebert, CHICAGO SUN-TIMES

"A brisk and entertaining indictment of the Bush Administration?s middle East policies before and after September 11, 2001."
-- Mary Corliss, TIME MAGAZINE

"To dismiss Fahrenheit 9/11 as "Anti-American propaganda" is doing the movie, the issues, the troops, and the country a grave disservice."
-- Jurgen Fauth, ABOUT.COM

"The director has always been at his strongest on the cusp between anger and humour, but there are simply too few such inspired episodes here."
-- Stephen Dalton, TIMES OF LONDON

Ferociously, cathartically funny."
-- Peter Travers, ROLLING STONE

"What's remarkable here isn't Moore's political animosity or ticklish wit. It's the well-argued, heartfelt power of his persuasion."
-- Desson Thomson, WASHINGTON POST

"[Moore's] most disciplined and powerful movie to date."
-- A.O. Scott, NEW YORK TIMES

"... a powerful piece of filmmaking by Michael Moore."
-- Richard Roeper, EBERT & ROEPER

BustIt 06-23-2004 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magnus3X
yeah it got slammed in Caans with the Palm D'or.
The French want to believe it.

As long as it's anti-Bush, it's a masterpiece as far as the panty-waisted French are concerned.

Any book that is anti-American is an instant best-seller in France. That is a proven fact.

BustIt 06-23-2004 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NoCarrier
Yeah.. The critics didn't like it.. :1orglaugh

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/Fahrenheit911-1133649/

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/ima...fied_fresh.gif

Fresh: 33 Rotten: 9

79% Loved it.

"[Moore's] most disciplined and powerful movie to date."
A.O. Scott, The New York Times

"The movie's conclusions -- true or otherwise -- and highly emotional interviews with bereaved parents and injured soldiers will have a big impact on audiences around the world."
-- Ian Youngs, BBC

"Say what you will about Moore's politics, but he knows how to make a good movie."
-- Willie Waffle, WAFFLEMOVIES.COM

"...see if you don't cringe when you see Bush talk to the media about being dedicated to fighting terrorism and segue into "Now watch this drive!" as he tees off."
-- John Venable, SUPERCALA.COM

"The result is a scary, funny, moving and angry film is perhaps the most devastating item leveled at a sitting U.S. President since the days of Watergate."
-- Peter Sobczynski, CRITIC DOCTOR


"Right now, in the summer of 2004, Fahrenheit 9/11 is an absolute good."
-- Eugene Novikov, FILM BLATHER

"...neither a great director or a great thinker, [Moore] has managed to make a film that is tough and true ? if not in the particulars, in its grave and profound progress."
-- Philip Martin, ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE

"Makes you want to go straight to the White House and punch everyone in the gut. "
-- Kevin N. Laforest, MONTREAL FILM JOURNAL

"In pure filmic terms, Fahrenheit 911 is a second-rate documentary, but it is first-rate entertainment and top-notch muckraking."
-- Mark Keizer, BOXOFFICE MAGAZINE

"...if there is one movie that you will see this year, make sure that it's Fahrenheit 9/11."
-- JoBlo, JOBLO'S MOVIE EMPORIUM

"Not just a scathing indictment against the President.. but a deeply patriotic movie which reminds us of the principal tenets which makes a true democracy so great"
-- Edward Havens, FILMJERK.COM

"It's angry agit-prop - a brilliant blame game - and its real effectiveness as muckraking propaganda may be reflected by the outcome of the November elections."
-- Susan Granger, WWW.SUSANGRANGER.COM

". . . an explosive and heart wrenching piece of cinema . . ."
-- Mark Salisbury, PREMIERE MAGAZINE

"The conditional humanity that marred much of Bowling For Columbine is here, but [the result is] powerful, maddening and heartfelt."
-- Mark Palermo, COAST (HALIFAX, NOVA SCOTIA)


"Its politics notwithstanding, the art of Fahrenheit 9/11 is extraordinary."
-- David Levine, FILMCRITIC.COM

"It?s less about catching officials off guard than about showing how the nation?s number one official is permanently off guard."
-- Ben Kenigsberg, EAST HAMPTON INDEPENDENT


"What I look for in a Moore film is not an objective study, but passionate commitment, honest outrage and biting sarcasm. In this case, two outta three ain?t bad."
-- Dan Jardine, APOLLO GUIDE

"Like him or not, once you see it, you?ll have to admit that the guy has balls."
-- Stefan Halley, HERO REALM

"If Fahrenheit 9/11 feels like a work in progress, that?s only natural?by film?s end, you get a sense that it'll never be finished until George W. Bush is too."
-- Ed Gonzalez, SLANT MAGAZINE

"Moore portrays Bush as a thicko hick who spent 42% of his first eight months in office on vacation."
-- Annette Dasey, TELETEXT (UK)


"If Moore is formidable, it's not because he is a great filmmaker (far from it), but because he infuses his sense of ridicule with the fury of moral indignation. Fahrenheit 9/11 is strongest when that wrath is vented on Bush and his cohorts."
-- J. Hoberman, VILLAGE VOICE

"The film doesn't go for satirical humor the way Moore's Roger & Me and Bowling for Columbine did. Moore's narration is still often sarcastic, but frequently he lets his footage speak for itself."
-- Roger Ebert, CHICAGO SUN-TIMES

"A brisk and entertaining indictment of the Bush Administration?s middle East policies before and after September 11, 2001."
-- Mary Corliss, TIME MAGAZINE

"To dismiss Fahrenheit 9/11 as "Anti-American propaganda" is doing the movie, the issues, the troops, and the country a grave disservice."
-- Jurgen Fauth, ABOUT.COM

"The director has always been at his strongest on the cusp between anger and humour, but there are simply too few such inspired episodes here."
-- Stephen Dalton, TIMES OF LONDON

Ferociously, cathartically funny."
-- Peter Travers, ROLLING STONE

"What's remarkable here isn't Moore's political animosity or ticklish wit. It's the well-argued, heartfelt power of his persuasion."
-- Desson Thomson, WASHINGTON POST

"[Moore's] most disciplined and powerful movie to date."
-- A.O. Scott, NEW YORK TIMES

"... a powerful piece of filmmaking by Michael Moore."
-- Richard Roeper, EBERT & ROEPER


Those aren't real critics.

BBC=anti-American to the bone

Roger Ebert is a fat bleeding-heart wimp

NYTimes=proven to be anti-Bush and existing pretty much only for that reason, just like the LA Times, truth be damned.

frankthetank 06-23-2004 12:59 PM

It got praised in france while being viewed by democratic actors and actresses, well theres a big surprise!:321GFY

sacX 06-23-2004 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BustIt
My pleasure!

The Vanity Fair Critique is excellent. You should read the entire thing.

this was pasted days ago, as i said then ;). No doubt there will be valid criticism of Michael Moore's film, this however is not it.

Phoenix 06-23-2004 01:03 PM

history will record michael moore as the aldous huxley of our time

and in the meantime he is getting paid

whats not to like

Theo 06-23-2004 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BustIt
Those aren't real critics.

BBC=anti-American to the bone


lol

BeHeadR 06-23-2004 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magnus3X
yeah it got slammed in Caans with the Palm D'or.

BeHeadR 06-23-2004 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by frankthetank
It got praised in france while being viewed by democratic actors and actresses, well theres a big surprise!:321GFY
hah idiot

Paul Waters 06-23-2004 01:19 PM

I think it causing a lot of pro Bush people to get very concerned.

They must be highly motivated to whatever they can to discredit Moore and his movie.

Rich 06-23-2004 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by frankthetank
It got praised in france while being viewed by democratic actors and actresses, well theres a big surprise!:321GFY
By democratic I assume you mean people who still believe in democracy? You're right, democratic people do hate a fascists like Bush. :1orglaugh

Rich 06-23-2004 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BustIt
Those aren't real critics.

BBC=anti-American to the bone

Roger Ebert is a fat bleeding-heart wimp

NYTimes=proven to be anti-Bush and existing pretty much only for that reason, just like the LA Times, truth be damned.

lol

Quoting Vanity Fair whilte rying to discredit the BBC and the NYT. lol, Bush apologists get more and more pathetic by the day.

Webby 06-23-2004 01:32 PM

Quote:

Moore's Movie Slammed
Being "slammed" by one person is not exactly a fair representation.

Moore has his beliefs, accurate or otherwise, and has already had standing ovations for his film and will probably collect awards for this movie.

The man is a movie maker - an entertainer - and worked his ass off to make this based on his beleifs. There is nada wrong in him expressing his views - US politicians do this every day, both from left, right and anyplace in between, - so what's the fuss?

Perhaps part of the fuss is because he criticizes Bush - hell, if that's all he's guilty of, the man deserves a medal. Bush has placed himself in the firing line to be criticized and this comes not only from within the US, but from most of the population on this planet.

Good luck Michael - stuff a bullet up the asses of some dumb brains and at least get them thinking as opposed to beleiving every piece of garbage they are told! :thumbsup

PS Just keep it "accurate" - there is plenty accurate material to use! :winkwink:

Face (o_0) 06-23-2004 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magnus3X
yeah it got slammed in Caans with the Palm D'or.
only hippies go there

Webby 06-23-2004 01:42 PM

BustIt:

Quote:


quote:
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Originally posted by Magnus3X
yeah it got slammed in Caans with the Palm D'or.
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The French want to believe it.

As long as it's anti-Bush, it's a masterpiece as far as the panty-waisted French are concerned.

Any book that is anti-American is an instant best-seller in France. That is a proven fact.
When you consider the "French" hosted the Cannes Film Festival, as they do each year, and the audience were not "French", but an assembly of international film makers showing their product, - I doubt you can claim the "French want to believe it". That idea seems to only currently seem to be oozing from the propaganda from the US admin - ie the "French" are our "enemies" bullshit. The "French" don't give a shit generally. Talk about "US haters" - there sure seem to be enough "French haters" in the US - pathetic!

The book is "anti-American" is it??? DUH!! :1orglaugh Grow up!!

directfiesta 06-23-2004 01:53 PM

LOL

HITCHENS: WE MUST FIGHT IRAQ Sep 25 2002



Notice: 2002

Quote:

HITCHENS: WE MUST FIGHT IRAQ Sep 25 2002




By Christopher Hitchens


IT is almost certainly a mistake to assume anybody's position on Iraq is determined by evidence alone.

After all, last year there was overwhelming evidence of the connection between the World Trade Center aggression, al-Qaeda and the Taliban - and a decisive UN mandate for action - but many on the left opposed military action in Afghanistan, and still do.

I have the feeling that Tony Blair would feel happier making the moral case that Saddam must go.

He could then lay more stress on the atrocious character of his regime, the plight of the Iraqi people, the aspirations of the Kurds and - perhaps most importantly - the opportunity to turn the tide against despotism in the wider Middle East.

But as Prime Minister of a nation which has a permanent seat on the Security Council of the United Nations, he is obliged to be somewhat legalistic.

It must be obvious to anyone who can think at all that the charges against the Hussein regime are, as concerns arsenals of genocidal weaponry, true.

Saddam has been willing to risk his whole system and his own life rather than relinquish this goal.

And the resolutions of the UN are neither recent nor ambivalent.

I doubt that even if this evidence could be upgraded to 100 per cent it would persuade the sort of people who go on self-appointed missions of mediation to Baghdad.

These people further fail to see that governments now have a further responsibility to their citizens - namely to see that something is done to prevent future assaults on civilisation.

President Bush calls this the doctrine of pre-emption, which obviously has its perils and could be used to justify very rash actions.

Nonetheless, anybody with any sense must confess that there can be no return to the security posture adopted before September 11, 2001.

A leader who was not trying to take the war to the enemy would be delinquent in the extreme.

However, in the end the moral case for action is the strongest one.

WE have inherited, along with the right to destroy an illegal system of aggressive weaponry, a responsibility for the Iraqi and Kurdish peoples.

They are compelled to live with scarcity and fear in their daily existence, as a result of the policies of a homicidal megalomaniac.

One day, this man's rule will be at an end. On that day, we want to be able to look these people in the eye and tell them that we cared about them, too.

And a friendly Iraq, free again to trade and to make contact with the outside world, could transform the atmosphere of the Middle East.

To take one small example, Iraq would no longer be supplying the more thuggish elements around Yasser Arafat, or offering subsidies to suicide bombers.

And it might be noticed democratic forces among the Palestinians have begun to insist on a mini regime change of their own. I am a political opponent of President Bush and at best a lukewarm supporter of the British Labour Party.

But I think it is inaccurate and unfair of the opponents of regime change in Iraq to refer to the Prime Minister as "Bush's poodle".

This glib expression has become a substitute for thought, among people who were never conspicuous for originality in the first place.

It overlooks the fact Mr Blair pushed a wavering Clinton into taking action in Kosovo, and that he also decided to act on his own to prevent another Rwanda-type bloodbath in Sierra Leone.

A British government that thought Afghanistan was only America's problem would have been a shameful and stupid one. There's nothing to apologise about in being an American ally at this moment: it belongs in the better tradition of the Labour Party's internationalism.

ISOLATIONISM also overlooks the fact that Britain has friends and interests of its own in the region, as well as a long and deep connection with Iraq, and a correspondingly large stake in the outcome.

Just on the material aspect - I love it when people darkly describe the coming intervention as "blood for oil", or equivalent gibberish.

Does this mean what it appears to mean, namely that oil is not worth fighting over?

Or that it's no cause for alarm that the oil resources of the region are permanently menaced by a crazy sadist who has already invaded two of his neighbours? There is another base rumour in circulation, to the effect that Bush is doing all this for electoral reasons.

It's hard to imagine a sillier or nastier suggestion: the American public does not want a war and, as usual, prefers a quiet life.

Every newspaper in the country reflects this mood, and prints a huge daily output of misgivings.

But one proof of the worthwhileness of this enterprise is its riskiness. Nobody can guarantee a successful outcome, and both Bush and Blair know they could face great reproach for failure.

But the long period of unwise vacillation and moral neutrality seems to be drawing to a close, and this is a good thing in itself.

Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews...siteid=5014 3

Google his name to see who he is... LOL

Nysus 06-23-2004 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich
By democratic I assume you mean people who still believe in democracy? You're right, democratic people do hate a fascists like Bush. :1orglaugh
Cheers,
Matt

bad_girl 06-23-2004 01:58 PM

With anything you take anything that is heard with a grain of salt - you formulate your own opinions.

Besides, I would think Moore is more credible than CNN.


:2 cents:

BG

Magnus 06-23-2004 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BustIt
The French want to believe it.

As long as it's anti-Bush, it's a masterpiece as far as the panty-waisted French are concerned.

Any book that is anti-American is an instant best-seller in France. That is a proven fact.

A few of the judges were American and from the rest of the world, it's only held in France.

Nysus 06-23-2004 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
BustIt:

When you consider the "French" hosted the Cannes Film Festival, as they do each year, and the audience were not "French", but an assembly of international film makers showing their product, - I doubt you can claim the "French want to believe it". That idea seems to only currently seem to be oozing from the propaganda from the US admin - ie the "French" are our "enemies" bullshit. The "French" don't give a shit generally. Talk about "US haters" - there sure seem to be enough "French haters" in the US - pathetic!

The book is "anti-American" is it??? DUH!! :1orglaugh Grow up!!

All replies for the Bush administration are based on misunderstanding or not knowing the right information / all the inormation. That's pretty much the cause for all problems in the world.

Cheers,
Matt

imafuckingaussie 06-23-2004 02:02 PM

Michael Moores work will come across as anti American to a lot of people, and hence will create some haters. Expect to see a huge amount of haters in the following weeks, most of them patriotic Americans who cant see the wolf in sheeps clothing. :1orglaugh

titmowse 06-23-2004 02:21 PM

"All that foreign oil controlling American soil,
Look around you, it's just bound to make you embarrassed.
Sheiks walkin' around like kings, wearing fancy jewels and nose rings,
Deciding America's future from Amsterdam and to Paris
And there's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend.

Man's ego is inflated, his laws are outdated, they don't apply no more,
You can't rely no more to be standin' around waitin'
In the home of the brave, Jefferson turnin' over in his grave,
Fools glorifying themselves, trying to manipulate Satan
And there's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend.

Big-time negotiators, false healers and woman haters,
Masters of the bluff and masters of the proposition
But the enemy I see wears a cloak of decency,
All non-believers and men stealers talkin' in the name of religion
And there's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend.

People starving and thirsting, grain elevators are bursting
Oh, you know it costs more to store the food than it do to give it.
They say lose your inhibitions, follow your own ambitions,
They talk about a life of brotherly love, show me someone who knows how to
live it. There's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend..."
-- Dylan

Reak 06-23-2004 02:22 PM

Thanks for sharing

BustIt 06-23-2004 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sacX
this was pasted days ago, as i said then ;). No doubt there will be valid criticism of Michael Moore's film, this however is not it.
Interesting. How about valid *praise*?

Bansheelinks 06-23-2004 02:30 PM

Michael Moore=Mad Cow Disease

BustIt 06-23-2004 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
BustIt:



When you consider the "French" hosted the Cannes Film Festival, as they do each year, and the audience were not "French", but an assembly of international film makers showing their product, - I doubt you can claim the "French want to believe it". That idea seems to only currently seem to be oozing from the propaganda from the US admin - ie the "French" are our "enemies" bullshit. The "French" don't give a shit generally. Talk about "US haters" - there sure seem to be enough "French haters" in the US - pathetic!

The book is "anti-American" is it??? DUH!! :1orglaugh Grow up!!

So I wasn't aware of the voting dynamics at the Cannes Fetival? GROW UP! That wasn't my primary evidence for the French being anti-American.

It is a FACT that the no 1 bestseller in France SHORTLY after 9/11 was an allegation that the NYTC attacks were actually an American right-wing conspiracy. NO 1 bestseller. The French ate it up.

Not long after an (objective) Frenchman (not too many of those) wrote a book that tore that one apart and refuted it page by page. Sold far less, because the French did not want to hear it. The French are Player Haters.

Remember Villepin's response when he was asked if he wanted the US to win the war against Saddam? *No comment* was his response.

BustIt 06-23-2004 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phoenix
history will record michael moore as the aldous huxley of our time

and in the meantime he is getting paid

whats not to like

In the sense of someone who experimented heavily with drugs, especially while working, yes.

BustIt 06-23-2004 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich
lol

Quoting Vanity Fair whilte rying to discredit the BBC and the NYT. lol, Bush apologists get more and more pathetic by the day.

Bush doesn't need an apologist (except that actually he has been too soft), and while I cant' speak for VF, the BBC and the NYT have acquired a terrible reputation for pushing a far-left (read: anti-reality) agenda.

No one concerned with the truth takes the NY Times seriously.--or the BBC.

xxxdesign-net 06-23-2004 03:10 PM

haha.. this guy is an obsessed clown... he tries to argue every single attack on Bush like a true republican fanatic would do ... with arguments as solid as..

"The president is also captured in a well-worn TV news clip, on a golf course, making a boilerplate response to a question on terrorism and then asking the reporters to watch his drive. Well, that's what you get if you catch the president on a golf course. If Eisenhower had done this, as he often did, it would have been presented as calm statesmanship. If Clinton had done it, as he often did, it would have shown his charm."

Going out of his way to defend Bush on that 5 sec. piece of tape with desperate arguments.. just expose him as an obsses one sided fool... exactly what he blames Moore for...

And for the record...I think Moore is far from perfect..

BustIt 06-23-2004 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul Waters
I think it causing a lot of pro Bush people to get very concerned.

They must be highly motivated to whatever they can to discredit Moore and his movie.


Lies and liars are repugnant to the pro-Bush people.

Bowling for Columbine established his reputation as a producer of pseudo-documentaries.

(removed the sig , had it set on auto -- i am concerned only with the defense of truth and not with making money)

BustIt 06-23-2004 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
haha.. this guy is an obsessed clown... he tries to argue every single attack on Bush like a true republican fanatic would do ... with arguments as solid as..

"The president is also captured in a well-worn TV news clip, on a golf course, making a boilerplate response to a question on terrorism and then asking the reporters to watch his drive. Well, that's what you get if you catch the president on a golf course. If Eisenhower had done this, as he often did, it would have been presented as calm statesmanship. If Clinton had done it, as he often did, it would have shown his charm."

Going out of his way to defend Bush on that 5 sec. piece of tape with desperate arguments.. just expose him as an obsses one sided fool... exactly what he blames Moore for...

And for the record...I think Moore is far from perfect..

Actually, I'm just bored.

What 5 sec piece of tape?

JohnnyUtah 06-23-2004 03:21 PM

BustIt - Your full of shit "The French are Player Haters"
What the fuck are you talking about? Bush is the player in the sense of this sentence? Can I please have what your smoking?

Your full of shit
So is your government...

xxxdesign-net 06-23-2004 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BustIt
Actually, I'm just bored.

What 5 sec piece of tape?

what he is describing in the quote...


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