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Dollar: Hitchens on Michael Moore's Latest "Documentary" (June 22, 2004)
The Left's Christopher Hitchens (columnist for Vanity Fair) on Michael Moore's latest movie: http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/?GT1=3584#correct

The money quote:
Moore's movie is "a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of 'dissenting' bravery."

On Moore and his admirers:
"To [Moore], easy applause, in front of credulous audiences, is everything."

On Moore's 'history' of Iraq:
"We are introduced to Iraq, 'a sovereign nation.' (In fact, Iraq's 'sovereignty' was heavily qualified by international sanctions, however questionable, which reflected its noncompliance with important U.N. resolutions.) In this peaceable kingdom, according to Moore's flabbergasting choice of film shots, children are flying little kites, shoppers are smiling in the sunshine, and the gentle rhythms of life are undisturbed. Then?wham! From the night sky come the terror weapons of American imperialism...I don't think Al Jazeera would, on a bad day, have transmitted anything so utterly propagandistic. You would also be led to think that the term 'civilian casualty' had not even been in the Iraqi vocabulary until March 2003..."

On debating Moore:
"...I think we can agree that the film is so flat-out phony that 'fact-checking' is beside the point. And as for the scary lawyers--get a life, or maybe see me in court. But I offer this, to Moore and to his rapid response rabble. Any time, Michael my boy. Let's redo Telluride. Any show. Any place. Any platform. Let's see what you're made of."

On Moore's documentary standards:
"But if you leave out absolutely everything that might give your 'narrative' a problem and throw in any old rubbish that might support it, and you don't even care that one bit of that rubbish flatly contradicts the next bit, and you give no chance to those who might differ, then you have betrayed your craft. ... At no point does Michael Moore make the smallest effort to be objective. At no moment does he pass up the chance of a cheap sneer or a jeer."

Basic_man

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BustIt

My pleasure!

The Vanity Fair Critique is excellent. You should read the entire thing.

Magnus

yeah it got slammed in Caans with the Palm D'or.

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Deepai

yea but opinions are like assholes...they usually stink...

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nofx

good tactic. discredit it, put it down, talk about how its full of lies, maybe some people wont go see it now.

supress the truth. the people cannot think for themselves.

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doober

rofl

NoCarrier

Yeah.. The critics didn't like it..

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/Fahrenheit911-1133649/



Fresh: 33 Rotten: 9

79% Loved it.

"[Moore's] most disciplined and powerful movie to date."
A.O. Scott, The New York Times

"The movie's conclusions -- true or otherwise -- and highly emotional interviews with bereaved parents and injured soldiers will have a big impact on audiences around the world."
-- Ian Youngs, BBC

"Say what you will about Moore's politics, but he knows how to make a good movie."
-- Willie Waffle, WAFFLEMOVIES.COM

"...see if you don't cringe when you see Bush talk to the media about being dedicated to fighting terrorism and segue into "Now watch this drive!" as he tees off."
-- John Venable, SUPERCALA.COM

"The result is a scary, funny, moving and angry film is perhaps the most devastating item leveled at a sitting U.S. President since the days of Watergate."
-- Peter Sobczynski, CRITIC DOCTOR


"Right now, in the summer of 2004, Fahrenheit 9/11 is an absolute good."
-- Eugene Novikov, FILM BLATHER

"...neither a great director or a great thinker, [Moore] has managed to make a film that is tough and true ? if not in the particulars, in its grave and profound progress."
-- Philip Martin, ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE

"Makes you want to go straight to the White House and punch everyone in the gut. "
-- Kevin N. Laforest, MONTREAL FILM JOURNAL

"In pure filmic terms, Fahrenheit 911 is a second-rate documentary, but it is first-rate entertainment and top-notch muckraking."
-- Mark Keizer, BOXOFFICE MAGAZINE

"...if there is one movie that you will see this year, make sure that it's Fahrenheit 9/11."
-- JoBlo, JOBLO'S MOVIE EMPORIUM

"Not just a scathing indictment against the President.. but a deeply patriotic movie which reminds us of the principal tenets which makes a true democracy so great"
-- Edward Havens, FILMJERK.COM

"It's angry agit-prop - a brilliant blame game - and its real effectiveness as muckraking propaganda may be reflected by the outcome of the November elections."
-- Susan Granger, WWW.SUSANGRANGER.COM

". . . an explosive and heart wrenching piece of cinema . . ."
-- Mark Salisbury, PREMIERE MAGAZINE

"The conditional humanity that marred much of Bowling For Columbine is here, but [the result is] powerful, maddening and heartfelt."
-- Mark Palermo, COAST (HALIFAX, NOVA SCOTIA)


"Its politics notwithstanding, the art of Fahrenheit 9/11 is extraordinary."
-- David Levine, FILMCRITIC.COM

"It?s less about catching officials off guard than about showing how the nation?s number one official is permanently off guard."
-- Ben Kenigsberg, EAST HAMPTON INDEPENDENT


"What I look for in a Moore film is not an objective study, but passionate commitment, honest outrage and biting sarcasm. In this case, two outta three ain?t bad."
-- Dan Jardine, APOLLO GUIDE

"Like him or not, once you see it, you?ll have to admit that the guy has balls."
-- Stefan Halley, HERO REALM

"If Fahrenheit 9/11 feels like a work in progress, that?s only natural?by film?s end, you get a sense that it'll never be finished until George W. Bush is too."
-- Ed Gonzalez, SLANT MAGAZINE

"Moore portrays Bush as a thicko hick who spent 42% of his first eight months in office on vacation."
-- Annette Dasey, TELETEXT (UK)


"If Moore is formidable, it's not because he is a great filmmaker (far from it), but because he infuses his sense of ridicule with the fury of moral indignation. Fahrenheit 9/11 is strongest when that wrath is vented on Bush and his cohorts."
-- J. Hoberman, VILLAGE VOICE

"The film doesn't go for satirical humor the way Moore's Roger & Me and Bowling for Columbine did. Moore's narration is still often sarcastic, but frequently he lets his footage speak for itself."
-- Roger Ebert, CHICAGO SUN-TIMES

"A brisk and entertaining indictment of the Bush Administration?s middle East policies before and after September 11, 2001."
-- Mary Corliss, TIME MAGAZINE

"To dismiss Fahrenheit 9/11 as "Anti-American propaganda" is doing the movie, the issues, the troops, and the country a grave disservice."
-- Jurgen Fauth, ABOUT.COM

"The director has always been at his strongest on the cusp between anger and humour, but there are simply too few such inspired episodes here."
-- Stephen Dalton, TIMES OF LONDON

Ferociously, cathartically funny."
-- Peter Travers, ROLLING STONE

"What's remarkable here isn't Moore's political animosity or ticklish wit. It's the well-argued, heartfelt power of his persuasion."
-- Desson Thomson, WASHINGTON POST

"[Moore's] most disciplined and powerful movie to date."
-- A.O. Scott, NEW YORK TIMES

"... a powerful piece of filmmaking by Michael Moore."
-- Richard Roeper, EBERT & ROEPER

BustIt

The French want to believe it.

As long as it's anti-Bush, it's a masterpiece as far as the panty-waisted French are concerned.

Any book that is anti-American is an instant best-seller in France. That is a proven fact.

BustIt

Those aren't real critics.

BBC=anti-American to the bone

Roger Ebert is a fat bleeding-heart wimp

NYTimes=proven to be anti-Bush and existing pretty much only for that reason, just like the LA Times, truth be damned.

frankthetank

It got praised in france while being viewed by democratic actors and actresses, well theres a big surprise!

sacX

this was pasted days ago, as i said then ;). No doubt there will be valid criticism of Michael Moore's film, this however is not it.

Phoenix

history will record michael moore as the aldous huxley of our time

and in the meantime he is getting paid

whats not to like

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lol

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Paul Waters

I think it causing a lot of pro Bush people to get very concerned.

They must be highly motivated to whatever they can to discredit Moore and his movie.

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Rich

By democratic I assume you mean people who still believe in democracy? You're right, democratic people do hate a fascists like Bush.

Rich

lol

Quoting Vanity Fair whilte rying to discredit the BBC and the NYT. lol, Bush apologists get more and more pathetic by the day.

Webby

Being "slammed" by one person is not exactly a fair representation.

Moore has his beliefs, accurate or otherwise, and has already had standing ovations for his film and will probably collect awards for this movie.

The man is a movie maker - an entertainer - and worked his ass off to make this based on his beleifs. There is nada wrong in him expressing his views - US politicians do this every day, both from left, right and anyplace in between, - so what's the fuss?

Perhaps part of the fuss is because he criticizes Bush - hell, if that's all he's guilty of, the man deserves a medal. Bush has placed himself in the firing line to be criticized and this comes not only from within the US, but from most of the population on this planet.

Good luck Michael - stuff a bullet up the asses of some dumb brains and at least get them thinking as opposed to beleiving every piece of garbage they are told!

PS Just keep it "accurate" - there is plenty accurate material to use!

Face (o_0)

only hippies go there

Webby

BustIt:

When you consider the "French" hosted the Cannes Film Festival, as they do each year, and the audience were not "French", but an assembly of international film makers showing their product, - I doubt you can claim the "French want to believe it". That idea seems to only currently seem to be oozing from the propaganda from the US admin - ie the "French" are our "enemies" bullshit. The "French" don't give a shit generally. Talk about "US haters" - there sure seem to be enough "French haters" in the US - pathetic!

The book is "anti-American" is it??? DUH!! Grow up!!

directfiesta

LOL

HITCHENS: WE MUST FIGHT IRAQ Sep 25 2002



Notice: 2002

Google his name to see who he is... LOL

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bad_girl

With anything you take anything that is heard with a grain of salt - you formulate your own opinions.

Besides, I would think Moore is more credible than CNN.




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Magnus

A few of the judges were American and from the rest of the world, it's only held in France.

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Nysus

All replies for the Bush administration are based on misunderstanding or not knowing the right information / all the inormation. That's pretty much the cause for all problems in the world.

Cheers,
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imafuckingaussie

Michael Moores work will come across as anti American to a lot of people, and hence will create some haters. Expect to see a huge amount of haters in the following weeks, most of them patriotic Americans who cant see the wolf in sheeps clothing.

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"All that foreign oil controlling American soil,
Look around you, it's just bound to make you embarrassed.
Sheiks walkin' around like kings, wearing fancy jewels and nose rings,
Deciding America's future from Amsterdam and to Paris
And there's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend.

Man's ego is inflated, his laws are outdated, they don't apply no more,
You can't rely no more to be standin' around waitin'
In the home of the brave, Jefferson turnin' over in his grave,
Fools glorifying themselves, trying to manipulate Satan
And there's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend.

Big-time negotiators, false healers and woman haters,
Masters of the bluff and masters of the proposition
But the enemy I see wears a cloak of decency,
All non-believers and men stealers talkin' in the name of religion
And there's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend.

People starving and thirsting, grain elevators are bursting
Oh, you know it costs more to store the food than it do to give it.
They say lose your inhibitions, follow your own ambitions,
They talk about a life of brotherly love, show me someone who knows how to
live it. There's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend..."
-- Dylan

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Reak

Thanks for sharing

BustIt

Interesting. How about valid *praise*?

Bansheelinks

Michael Moore=Mad Cow Disease

BustIt

So I wasn't aware of the voting dynamics at the Cannes Fetival? GROW UP! That wasn't my primary evidence for the French being anti-American.

It is a FACT that the no 1 bestseller in France SHORTLY after 9/11 was an allegation that the NYTC attacks were actually an American right-wing conspiracy. NO 1 bestseller. The French ate it up.

Not long after an (objective) Frenchman (not too many of those) wrote a book that tore that one apart and refuted it page by page. Sold far less, because the French did not want to hear it. The French are Player Haters.

Remember Villepin's response when he was asked if he wanted the US to win the war against Saddam? *No comment* was his response.

BustIt

In the sense of someone who experimented heavily with drugs, especially while working, yes.

BustIt

Bush doesn't need an apologist (except that actually he has been too soft), and while I cant' speak for VF, the BBC and the NYT have acquired a terrible reputation for pushing a far-left (read: anti-reality) agenda.

No one concerned with the truth takes the NY Times seriously.--or the BBC.

xxxdesign-net

haha.. this guy is an obsessed clown... he tries to argue every single attack on Bush like a true republican fanatic would do ... with arguments as solid as..

"The president is also captured in a well-worn TV news clip, on a golf course, making a boilerplate response to a question on terrorism and then asking the reporters to watch his drive. Well, that's what you get if you catch the president on a golf course. If Eisenhower had done this, as he often did, it would have been presented as calm statesmanship. If Clinton had done it, as he often did, it would have shown his charm."

Going out of his way to defend Bush on that 5 sec. piece of tape with desperate arguments.. just expose him as an obsses one sided fool... exactly what he blames Moore for...

And for the record...I think Moore is far from perfect..

BustIt

Lies and liars are repugnant to the pro-Bush people.

Bowling for Columbine established his reputation as a producer of pseudo-documentaries.

(removed the sig , had it set on auto -- i am concerned only with the defense of truth and not with making money)

BustIt

Actually, I'm just bored.

What 5 sec piece of tape?

JohnnyUtah

BustIt - Your full of shit "The French are Player Haters"
What the fuck are you talking about? Bush is the player in the sense of this sentence? Can I please have what your smoking?

Your full of shit
So is your government...

xxxdesign-net

what he is describing in the quote...

BustIt

Power envy. America is the main Player. Much of Europe's anti-Americanism is simply a neurotic attempt to compensate for its loss of status since WWII.

Here are links to the conspiracy theory spoken of:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Ar...386220,00.html

And here's a good quote from:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=11759

Now with all this in mind, how can one expect French people not to be anti-American? Such brainwashing is ubiquitous, from the press to TV networks and books, presenting only one choice: to hate us. When another point of view, favorable to the US, comes along, it is not publicized at all. For example Alain Hertoghe, a journalist from the Christian daily newspaper, La Croix, wrote a book entitled An All-Out War: How the Press Misinformed Us on Iraq. He did not get any press coverage, any publicity. Why? Because his outstanding book shows extensively and statistically how the French press took sides during the war in Iraq. Studying the five major French newspapers, he found out that out of 164 titles about Iraq, 135 were actually against Bush (?the irresponsible, violent, imperialist, fundamentalist? American leader) and only 29 against Saddam Hussein. Furthermore, he proves how the French press lied in reporting the situation on the ground in Iraq just to justify their anti-Americanism. What do you think happened to Hertoghe after the publishing of this book? He was fired, a few weeks ago, by La Croix for obvious reasons: criticizing the French press does not go well; if only he could have done like everybody else and smeared America?


France has a long history of anti-Americanism, which has now turned into an obsession. Everything negative occurring in the planet, or for that matter even in France, is the fault of the USA. Blame it on America has turned into a national sport.


The main origin for that feeling is the media and the intellectual crowd. But, contrary to what is happening in the US, it is not only confined to the Left. Everyone from the Greens to the Center to the Right and the Far Right agree on only one statement: America is EVIL.

Joe Citizen

BustIt

Who is *this guy*? Me, or the guy speaking in the tape? Make yourself clear man. If you can think clearly you can write clearly.



That's a massive understatement....


The following shows that he's a hypocrite, a liar, an unscrupulous opportunist, self-righteous, self-absorbed....

It's about his efforts to get the rating of his movie switched from R to PG-13, and how those efforts contradict his ideology.


http://www.techcentralstation.com/061704C.html

Capitalist Populist

I'm sure Mr. Moore will not accept my suggestions. He's going to do whatever it takes to get more media attention and get more money for himself. In fact, he encouraging kids under 17 to lie about their age and see the movie anyway. (That way, he gets paid more.) Although he advocates income redistribution on TV, in real life he's a shrewd and selfish business man, a fat Gordon Gekko in a baseball cap.

http://www.techcentralstation.com/061704C.html

Webby

BustIt:

Clearly not.

This was your response to an earlier post:

Are the "voting dynamics" at the Cannes Film Festival now the views of the "panty-waisted French"??

Don't talk such shit! Youv'e got the US disease of knowing little but talking a lot.

BustIt

The point is that that was irrelevant! You've got the European disease of knowing little and thinkiing less.

weaselbrains

So if you disagree with the government you are unpatriotic and anti-American?

Patriotism is caring about a COUNTRY - not the government who runs it.

America is a joke anyway - Bush LOST the election and still gets into office, two weeks later its forgotten about.

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BustIt:

BTW... Just in case you are not aware and rely on Chris Hitchens for your bullshit.

This is a man who actively cultivates contraversy from the days he was a columnist for the UK gutter press writing crap about what socialite was seen by whoever and how he "personally knows everyone" of relevance. This truth is, any person of "relevance" would not be seen dead within 10 miles of the supercilious arrogant asshole.

Since these days he has written some books and "escaped" to the US and delivered his fantasies there - seems like he has more chance of being believed there.

He is now being dragged on to the US media as a "commentator" on any subject you care to mention. Sure is a good fountain of information who exceeds any attempts by Michael Moore at contraversy.

BTW.. I know two people who worked with him - they are of the same opinion.

Quit reading shit like Vanity Fair and get real!

Webby

BustIt:

Why did you introduce the "French" with:

when "that was irrelevant"?? DUH??

Once again, you have this US disease, who said I was "European"?? Clearly you know little but assume a lot.

What a fucking stupid thread

Peace out!

BustIt

Originally posted by weaselbrains


Moore isn't disagreeing, he's mis-leading. He calls this a documentary, but a documentary is a presentation of facts. This is election year propaganda thinly veiled and presented as an objective exercise in reporting.



I agree. I just happen to believe that Bush is doing the right thing.--that his policies are the best thing for the COUNTRY. Although I disagree with the religious stuff.



You must read the NY Times. Bush did win the election. We have an electoral college system here, but of course the Democrats believe the rules should be changed for them.