Here's a blog devoted to the errors and etc in Moore's soon to open to gullible crowds everywhere movie:

http://fahrenheit_fact.blogspot.com/

Actually, now more than ever people who wouldn't have went to see it, now want to see it just for the plain reason so many people don't want anyone to see it. There was a flippling line out side of the gateway a block long, just to get in to see it, so michael moore should thank the idiots who think their opinions matter, his movie is probably getting so much advertising for free because of you.

Biggest box office sales of any independant movie ever in two days. Yeah, they are totally helping him with their trying to stop it and their coverage. 4:20pm I will be seeing it too. :thumbsup

What, I don't care if anyone sees it. Even Hitchens recommends that you see it.

It shows you how low the Dems will stoop during an election year.

Jayeff do you really believe what you just wrote there?

and the republicans are different how?

not one bush ad is not a SLAM against kerry.

neither party is better than the other.. they both SUCK!!!!!

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The Kerry ads started well before the Bush ads, and were almost un-precedented in the *personalness* of their attacks.

Both parties are flawed in many ways, but I have to pick one over the other.

The Democratic party is far more inclined to Socialism than the Republican is, and I have personal distaste for Socialism.

That's good reasoning FudPuck.

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It is both...but you may want to have a modicum of compassion for him...or not...as he hears voices in his head...that tells him he is brilliant...has 3 degrees...and owns 3 of the largest casinos on the net...when his claim to fame is in fact a small AVS site. He is almost amusing though...being blinded with his ultral liberal views.

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I'm thinkin that the whole deal is... He, as do many Americans, want some answers to some serious questions..

Moore's so called "documentaries" are meant to entertain and earn him money...no more than that. He is a satirist that has found his niche. I find his films and writings amusing and entertaining...but he is not about truth...the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The so called "serious questions" he may have posed in this film have all been answered...some...just do not like the answers.

"So-called" is correct.

This thread still running? :winkwink:

Have ya ever stepped back 50 paces and analysed the postings here? It shows a load of shit about battering the current "enemy of the day" and a great polarisation, based on the political views of folks within the US.

I'm amazed some people find this much contraversy in Moore.

This appears to come from some great sensibilities to do with anything in politics in the US (allowing for election year hysteria).

I can think of several movies which are highly critical of governments in other countries. Governments and "leaders" are not sacred and generally these movies were then shown on television asap after the release - can't see any rush to see this happening to Moore's movie in the US, - only "obstacle courses" to avoid others viewing it.

Much as it may seem strange, I gotta agree with theking *g*, - Moore is a satarist and entertainer who is touching these "finer sensibilites" and pressing the right buttons and sure getting a reaction.

This is somewhat like an interview Bush gave to Irish TV when he made such ridiculous claims - ie.. most of Europe was/is behind us in the war in Iraq - when in fact, not only Europe, but the rest of the world was opposed to it. Bush was "ruffled" when challenged on this. There is a basic inhibition in some to accept black is black and not a darker shade of grey. Moore is simply doing the same thing - challenging. There is nothing wrong with that - some shit needs challenging.

Fuck.

What part of "Bush wants your pornographer asses holding tin cans begging for change" don't you Bush supporters understand?

Exactly the reason for this thread!

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That there is no proof? Yes. There hasn't even been much in the way of circumstantial evidence.

Does this mean I think Bin Laden/Al Quaeda was not responsible? It means I have no more idea as to who was responsible for 911 than does anyone else on this board. Much of the supposed evidence is dubious at best and unless there is a lot that we are not being told (which seems unlikely given the rearguard PR action being fought by the White House), there isn't enough even to think about starting a prosecution.

Yet those claims were the reason, so the public were told, for invading Afghanistan. We have lost American lives there and we are still pumping billions of dollars into staying, with no end in sight. That's a heck of a commitment for something you couldn't even bring to a grand jury.

I don't buy into the wild conspiracy theories going around, because there is even less evidence to support any of them. But it does bother me that arab terrorism suddenly went from hastily planned, small scale operations - truck bombs, suicide bombers, etc - to something which tooks months to put into effect, involved large numbers of people (by the normal scale of these things), plus careful planning and tight coordination: all at a level never seen before or since.

It's not impossible that it really was like that. I just don't like assumptions when so much is at stake.

Osama on video tape was not enough proof for you? He said on tape that they did not expect the towers to collapse...among other things he said...about the attack.