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Donny 12-07-2003 12:24 PM

Single Girl Sites
 
The reason I've started building single girl sites is two-fold:

1. I won't lie and say I don't like the idea of making more money, and that by having more websites I'll make more money. Of course I'll make more money. But please carefully read number 2 below:

2. VERY FEW in this industry give models a way to make recurring income. A model comes in, poses, gets paid for her photos, and leaves. After she spends the money from her photo shoot it is gone, yet the photos remain forever. I really don't like that idea very much. I never have. I have ALWAYS wanted to figure out a way for these girls to make recurring income. These "single girl" websites are just one way to provide that.

This is the truth: these models make 5% more from their websites than I make. I really like that: THEY make more than ME.

These single girl sites allow a model to pose for me and then receive recurring income just like I do. That makes me very happy. I love making money for ME, but I love it even more that I can share that money with the models that make it possible for me to earn a living.

Just my 2 cents...

baddog 12-07-2003 12:26 PM

you could always pay then more

sweetcuties 12-07-2003 12:26 PM

Good logic, however, I'll NEVER give a girl a recurring income

SleazyDream 12-07-2003 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog
you could always pay then more
rotfl

necoeds 12-07-2003 12:30 PM

ALWAYS a bad idea!

IMO

Donny 12-07-2003 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog
you could always pay then more
I already pay them more than most. I've been chastised by other content providers for paying models too much. BUT even when paying them more:

the photos exist long after the money is spent.

Donny 12-07-2003 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by necoeds
ALWAYS a bad idea!

IMO


To each his own. But helping myself by helping others really feels good.

:)

Donny 12-07-2003 12:37 PM

Fuck! I really wish I could post the ICQ's I'm getting from this post. They perfectly portray everything that I feel is wrong with this industry....

Donny 12-07-2003 12:41 PM

From ICQ responses it's very evident that many forget the human element of this business. No wonder A-S-H C-R-O-F-T is attacking us.

Rochard 12-07-2003 12:41 PM

Prayer for the day: "God helps those who help themselves".

While I agree in this concept, the girls end up making a lot of money off of very little work...... What happens when you are writing checks for tens of thousands of dollars to girls who do very little work......

SleazyDream 12-07-2003 12:41 PM

yep, you're the patron saint of crack whores.....


soon someone's gona be washing your feet

HarlotCash Dyker 12-07-2003 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips



To each his own. But helping myself by helping others really feels good.

:)

I do the same - If others only think of themselves and want to make silly remarks about it, then let them.

SleazyDream 12-07-2003 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RocHard
Prayer for the day: "God helps those who help themselves".

While I agree in this concept, the girls end up making a lot of money off of very little work...... What happens when you are writing checks for tens of thousands of dollars to girls who do very little work......

and then they get USED to the money and when they get overexposed and income goes down you got some drugged out crack whore on your ass constantly about how you're fucking them over.

you do not want ongoing financial relationshipswithout ongoing WORK. be it models, marketers, or photographers

Donny 12-07-2003 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
yep, you're the patron saint of crack whores.....


soon someone's gona be washing your feet

I'll overlook the crack whore comment since you obviously have no fucking clue. I can tell you've never visited my website. The models I find are usually girls going to school, well on their way to getting their degree. The first girl in my tour: Abigail... she already has a degree and is working on her masters.

Donny 12-07-2003 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RocHard
Prayer for the day: "God helps those who help themselves".

While I agree in this concept, the girls end up making a lot of money off of very little work...... What happens when you are writing checks for tens of thousands of dollars to girls who do very little work......

ONE of the things I've always respected about Lightspeed is that you guys pay models a commission on websites. Obviously, good or bad, you feel the same way I do.

SleazyDream 12-07-2003 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


I'll overlook the crack whore comment since you obviously have no fucking clue. I can tell you've never visited my website. The models I find are usually girls going to school, well on their way to getting their degree. The first girl in my tour: Abigail... she already has a degree and is working on her masters.

it's usually the end of a photographer when they start falling in love with their models and putting them on a pedistal above where they really belong. It's a business relationship -remember that

AaronM 12-07-2003 12:54 PM

I have been against this shit for years...BUT....With a lot of the things I have seen lately, and after spending a year shooting Toni Freeland and paying her a flat fee...I am considering trying a partnership thing with some models.

Donny 12-07-2003 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream


it's usually the end of a photographer when they start falling in love with their models and putting them on a pedistal above where they really belong. It's a business relationship -remember that


Again... no clue.

[Sidebar here: I really like Sleazy... respect his business a lot... and would never say anything bad about him as a person... I just happen to disagree on this one little thing at the moment... okay, carry on]

The models that have single girl sites with me have no special place in my heart. My girlfriend and I have been together for almost 3 years. No one is in the running to take her place.

I just really want to try to make a way for models to share in making the money. This business has been very good to me. This is my way to give back a little to the girls that helped me get to where I am.

SleazyDream 12-07-2003 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips



Again... no clue.

[Sidebar here: I really like Sleazy... respect his business a lot... and would never say anything bad about him as a person... I just happen to disagree on this one little thing at the moment... okay, carry on]

The models that have single girl sites with me have no special place in my heart. My girlfriend and I have been together for almost 3 years. No one is in the running to take her place.

I just really want to try to make a way for models to share in making the money. This business has been very good to me. This is my way to give back a little to the girls that helped me get to where I am.

how much have you given back to the people who gave you the traffic that got you to where you are today?

over and above the agreed on business deal for that traffic.........

Donny 12-07-2003 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
I have been against this shit for years...BUT....With a lot of the things I have seen lately, and after spending a year shooting Toni Freeland and paying her a flat fee...I am considering trying a partnership thing with some models.
Besides partnering with the models (by paying them a percentage), I have one other partner in this. But that partner is MUCH less vocal than I am.

When the concept of "revshare" with models first came to me I was amazed at how difficult it was to get anyone to see things the same way I do.

I'm finding it equally hard to get people to see things the same way I do on a plan I have to cut designers in on designs that do exceptionally well (but that's another story)...

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Donny 12-07-2003 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream


how much have you given back to the people who gave you the traffic that got you to where you are today?

over and above the agreed on business deal for that traffic.........

Can you say "ccbill affiliate code"? I knew ya could. :)

SleazyDream 12-07-2003 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


Can you say "ccbill affiliate code"? I knew ya could. :)

reread

Donny 12-07-2003 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


Can you say "ccbill affiliate code"? I knew ya could. :)

Oh yeah, and who could forget "hosted galleries"?

SleazyDream 12-07-2003 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by memo
Hello Friend .. i can help you building some sites

The Best Offer on the net . you can start hosting your web site at $ 1 Per Month . unlimited Email accounts , unlimited Domains . its mean you can host up to 10 web sites in one account . all at $ 1 per Month .
http://www.halim-hosting.com
also we Provide Web Design at very cheap Prices with free hosting and Free domain name .
http://design.halim-hosting.com
For adult site aim Ready 100% for it . Design and hosting and domain name free . all at $39 Per Year .
http://design.halim-hosting.com
Please dont Reply Here . Kindly if you have somthing to say visit my web sites and catch my email address there .. Thanks

someone bann this idiot and then hack his website and crash his business for being a total spamming fool

Donny 12-07-2003 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
reread
Okay, what could possibly get better than 50% recurring from CCBill, and hosted galleries where **I** pay the bandwidth? I'd say that's a pretty damn good deal.

SleazyDream 12-07-2003 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


Besides partnering with the models (by paying them a percentage), I have one other partner in this. But that partner is MUCH less vocal than I am.

When the concept of "revshare" with models first came to me I was amazed at how difficult it was to get anyone to see things the same way I do.

I'm finding it equally hard to get people to see things the same way I do on a plan I have to cut designers in on designs that do exceptionally well (but that's another story)...

communism works in theory - in THEORY it's a much better system.


in reality it always fails

SleazyDream 12-07-2003 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


Okay, what could possibly get better than 50% recurring from CCBill, and hosted galleries where **I** pay the bandwidth? I'd say that's a pretty damn good deal.

more traffic for more sales.....duuuuu

AaronM 12-07-2003 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream


how much have you given back to the people who gave you the traffic that got you to where you are today?

over and above the agreed on business deal for that traffic.........

It's 82+ and beautiful here. I can't believe I am posting to GFY.


The two of you need to go sit in seperate corners and take a time out before this gets ugly.

Sleazy......Who cares? It's his opinion and the business model that he has chosen. It has proven to be sucessful for himself and others that I know.

There are people that buy/sell traffic outright and then there are those who buy/sell with revshare options. Just like with models....it can work either way. With that said....Which business model usually converts better....Stuff that it bought or stuff that the person who is selling has more of a long term vested interest in?

Have fun with your debate.....I am gonna get out of this house and enjoy the island. :glugglug

Donny 12-07-2003 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream


communism works in theory - in THEORY it's a much better system.


in reality it always fails

Sorry... I can be a little dense at times. But I'm sitting here staring at my screen trying to figure out the relationship between communism and adult websites. So far I can't see it. Please assist.

AaronM 12-07-2003 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by memo
Hello Friend .. i can help you building some sites

The Best Offer on the net . you can start hosting your web site at $ 1 Per Month . unlimited Email accounts , unlimited Domains . its mean you can host up to 10 web sites in one account . all at $ 1 per Month .
http://www.halim-hosting.com
also we Provide Web Design at very cheap Prices with free hosting and Free domain name .
http://design.halim-hosting.com
For adult site aim Ready 100% for it . Design and hosting and domain name free . all at $39 Per Year .
http://design.halim-hosting.com
Please dont Reply Here . Kindly if you have somthing to say visit my web sites and catch my email address there .. Thanks



20 posts and 20 spams.

Maybe this guy should be banned.

AaronM 12-07-2003 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM




20 posts and 20 spams.

Maybe this guy should be banned.


Looks like Eric was already on this one.

Thanks Eric. :)

SleazyDream 12-07-2003 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


Okay, what could possibly get better than 50% recurring from CCBill, and hosted galleries where **I** pay the bandwidth? I'd say that's a pretty damn good deal.

see this is my point exactly - you're kinda saying between the lines here that the marketers are getting too much and that they don't need anything more....

think about it like this. why would you want to pay a model more money for the same thing you can get for less? not like the pics that are already taken will get any BETTER as they get older.

but you WANT to pay a marketer more money cause they will CONTINUE to market for you and make you MORE money.


success requires 95% attention to marketing and 5% attention to everything else.

SleazyDream 12-07-2003 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


Sorry... I can be a little dense at times. But I'm sitting here staring at my screen trying to figure out the relationship between communism and adult websites. So far I can't see it. Please assist.

communism in theory means everyone shares and is treated equally and paid accordingly.

capitalism doesn't work like that - neither does the adult industry.

shag-post 12-07-2003 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


2. VERY FEW in this industry give models a way to make recurring income. A model comes in, poses, gets paid for her photos, and leaves. After she spends the money from her photo shoot it is gone, yet the photos remain forever. I really don't like that idea very much. I never have. I have ALWAYS wanted to figure out a way for these girls to make recurring income. These "single girl" websites are just one way to provide that.


At last some geniune person, not interested in spamming.

Listen to this DonovanPhillips,

After Xmas, I am wanting to set up 10 solo girl websites, each website is a seperate business/partnership between me an the model, with both the model and myself getting an equal 50% of the profit each month.

The business can be sold by either party and passed through generations of their family for years to come.

There is more to it, a very good secret which I am not prepared to reveal for free. However, I will be new in the Shoot My Own Pictures area. I normally buy content from others. So if you, DonovanPhillips, give me tips on the legal and correct way to aquire models and photograph them, I will be more than happy to allow you to know my secret.

Icq me if you want. 286199503

Cheers

Wayne

AaronM 12-07-2003 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shag-post
The business can be sold by either party and passed through generations of their family for years to come.

That's right children...When Grandma dies, you will get her porn sites.

codymc12 12-07-2003 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream


communism in theory means everyone shares and is treated equally and paid accordingly.

capitalism doesn't work like that - neither does the adult industry.

My 2 cents is that this is inapplicable. There is no reason not to do this beyond the one below:

POOR BUSINESS/MARKETING PLAN.

If you can do it and make it make money, there is nothing wrong with it. And that IS capitalism.

Anything else is opinion.

FTVGirls 12-07-2003 01:40 PM

Agree with Donovan, but only if:

1- The girl is reliable, trustworthy, will stick around, and has a head on her shoulders.

2- She is an exception from the rest, beautiful with a personality that will capture a lot of members.

Thats why we've only got one model, Alexa, who fits these criteria and we built a single girl site around her. She gets paid a flat fee plus a % of sales.

SleazyDream 12-07-2003 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FTVGirls
Agree with Donovan, but only if:

1- The girl is reliable, trustworthy, will stick around, and has a head on her shoulders.

2- She is an exception from the rest, beautiful with a personality that will capture a lot of members.

Thats why we've only got one model, Alexa, who fits these criteria and we built a single girl site around her. She gets paid a flat fee plus a % of sales.

this is exaclty my point - but take this a step further. if the girl meets that criteria and is SMART- why does she need you?


there are tons of single girl sites out there - amateur model sites - and they don't need to be splitting their income with you....and many of them do VERY well.

jimthefiend 12-07-2003 01:51 PM

i take 15% on mywebcam site

im giving girls 50% of ALL sales of my new webcam content shop



call me stupid, but fair is fair



i just see a HUGE lack of respect for these girls in this thread


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