Matrix - You need to issue a cease and desist against Acacia today!
 

Get your lawyers on this now.

Send them a cease and desist right now. Tell them they are not allowed to contact any more of your customers or they will be sued.

You say the list is stolen, let Acacia know that they are using a stolen customer list and tell them to stop using a stolen list, now or they will be liable for any damage they do to your business from this time forward. They should also know that there may be criminal charges if they continue to use a list they know is stolen.

Do it right now. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/images/icons/mad2.gif

:eek7
I missed something.

Damage has already been done if you ask me...
WG

LAS VEGAS - A man said to have offered a "valuable customer list" purporting to be a CE Cash e-mailing list was issued a temporary restraining order August 8.

A federal judge handed down the order against Eric Suchomski, known also as BigMike9712, after Suchomski reportedly offered the list for sale on a popular adult Webmaster chat board, according to R.P. Ventures attorney David Steiner. R.P. is seeking over $1 million in actual and punitive damages against Suchomski.

The order bars Suchomski from selling, disbursing, or any other dissemination of any e-mail addresses actually or allegedly belonging to R.P. Ventures, whether or not it's identified as a CE Cash list. It also bars Suchomski from accessing any computer systems housing these lists. A heariing on R.P.'s preliminary injunction motion is set for August 13.

"This property is valued in the millions," said an unidentified R.P. spokesman, "and we will continue to prosecute this matter and any individual found trading or using our customer list to the full extent of the law." The purported "CE List," as Suchomski was said to have trumpeted it on the message board in question, reportedly contained 12 million e-mail addresses.

Reached for comment by AVN Online, Steiner said the temporary order was granted the same day the case was filed, just days after R.P. learned of Suchomski's message board postings.


http://www.avnonline.com/issues/2003...081103_7.shtml

CE Cash went to court when their list was stolen, where is the Matrix lawsuit and restraining order against Acacia?

If indeed their list has been stolen and misused, they can sue for loss of revenue directly relating to it's misuse.. That includes all the customers who will no longer use them.

"You say the list is stolen"

Can you please post a link to where it says that??

Why would they give a fuck now? There is no way this is a stolen list IMHO, it was most likely part of the deal they made.

They should stop Acacia from contacting anyone on that list until a judge determines what happened and how Acacia ended up with a stolen customer list.

Also, Acacia should be barred from using any of that information and if they do, they should be held accountable.

Acacia is trying to use the legal system against the adult industry, now it's time to use the legal system back against them.

If this list is really stolen, then Matrix can go after Acacia and hurt them.

All the talk in Vancover and shit I found out just disturbs me.

I believe that's only the case if Acacia used the list knowing it was stolen. I'm not a legal expert though, i could be wrong on this.

WG

share with gfy boneprone

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=189749

If the information was from my database, then it was done without Matrix Content, Inc. or any of it principals giving any form of consent for use and we have never in the past.

I agree...

If A**** has this list (obvious they do) Then they certainly know how they got it...

It would be too easy for Matrix to say the list was stolen or they got hacked. That's just an easy excuse to dig themselves out of this hole. IF Norman comes back with this excuse and does not take legal actions, then we know it was all BULLSHIT.

if I had to guess, Id bet they sold that database to another company and they double crossed m*trix and sold it to Acacia. Now m*trix feels like they just got kicked in the nuts and have to figure out their next move.

That's sort of what I was saying :)

And who gave them permission to sell my information to another company?

Honestly I think anyone selling lists of their customers must be beyond greedy.. I'm not saying this is what Matrix did, because I can't prove or disprove that.. But I would rather close up shop than sell my webmaster list. And I don't care what anyone threatens me with.

You can't just keep using stolen property because you didn't know it was stolen when you got it. You also aren't absolved of responsibility when you buy stolen property and then use it.

What if it was a stolen credit card list, could you just keep using the credit card numbers because you didn't know it was stolen?

This is all assuming the list is really being used illegally, which we are being led to believe.

Has Norman posted anything else on what action he is taking?

I think that's what they wanted. Anyone notice how Norman didn't say shit until someone posted the idea that MAYBE they got hacked or someone stole it from the inside? I believe it was KRL that said it first... and look how quickly Norman JUMPED on that idea. Just looking for an easy way to dig out of this hole.... :2 cents:

I think matrix is fucked either way.

We have bought a LOT of matrix content in the past. and we still till today have not heard from acacia.

netherlands though.

I'm not buying that the list was stolen, if it was they'd take legal action which I'd be willing to bet they won't do. They obviously gave away their DB as a part of their deal, and now that people are calling them on it they're using the good old reliable "hacked or stolen" excuse. Prove me wrong Matrix, sue them.



I'm going to guess you, when you signed up for their site and agreed to their TOS.

Matrix really needs a smart representative on these boards to handle this for them. Right now their silence on all these threads isn't sitting well.


Who represents Matrix here?

Hello darkness, my old friend,
I've come to talk with you again,
Because a vision softly creeping,
Left its seeds while I was sleeping,
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence.
In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone,
'Neath the halo of a street lamp,
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence.

And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more.
People talking without speaking,
People hearing without listening,
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dare
Disturb the sound of silence.

"Fools" said I, "You do not know
Silence like a cancer grows.
Hear my words that I might teach you,
Take my arms that I might reach you."
But my words like silent raindrops fell,
And echoed
In the wells of silence

And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made.
And the sign flashed out its warning,
In the words that it was forming.
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets
are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls."
And whisper'd in the sounds of silence.

Most of the TOS's of my sponsors all include a privacy policy that says they will NOT disclose your personal and contact information. I can't speak as to the Matrix TOS though.

I lika dat song.

Not necessarily. A freelance consultant could have sold it to them under false pretenses.

WG

:winkwink:

Funny, I see no Privacy Policy at all on their site.

Me too.

And it's very fitting to the situation right now ... in a deep sense of the meaning of the song.

ROTFLMAO :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Hey wait a minute....

Has Matrix actually agreed that the list was stolen & not given to Acacia?

Because I'm sure Acacia wouldn't like it if Matrix was running around saying Acacia is using their stolen list witout permission if Matrix did in fact give them permission.

More drama to consider.

Yeah I agree with the the thread starter. Matrix needs to take action and start with a C&D to save a little face with their clients. :2 cents:

Then the defense team will probably be able to use the tale of this C&D request to Acacia in their defense. :1orglaugh


I still think that Matrix is innocent and the list was probably stolen from them long ago.

If it was stolen, which I'm not sure, it was in the last 4 months, only 1 purchase from Matrix, and a letter with the info I used on their site. They either Gave (sold) the list or it was stolen in that time frame.

:2 cents:

*bump*

hey, if matrix really didn't sell or give acacia the list, taking acacia to court would go a long way with their fellow webmasters...

Like Basschick says, if Matrix didn't give Acacia their list they should take them to court. The evidence is overwhelming that Acacia is using info only given to Matrix, which many people can prove. Either Matrix gave the list or it was comprimised. Matrix should either admit it or do something about it. All I see from Matrix is "prove that it is our list." Which to me smells like they are trying to be clever and not accept culpability. If the list was given to them, fine tell us, we will deal with Matrix in the biz area, if the list wasn't given to them on the up and up, Matrix can do something about it by pursuing Acacia through legal channels.

The real sad part is Matrix has great content, but why would anyone in their right mind want to buy from them if they won't protect their customers. This biz has alot of integrity, believe it or not, but everyone that runs a tgp, link list, or even just submits galleries knows all about cheaters, if you cheat you are blacklisted. So you run an honest operation, you don't cheat, if you are cheated you do something about it.

If the list is stolen, Matrix should be taking Acacia to court for theft.
If the list wasn't stolen, Acacia should be taking Matrix to court for damaging their business by implying Acacia stole it or knowingly buying a stolen list.

Neither are going to happen. We're dealing with a bunch of less than honest people on both ends. Have you no memory folks? Since when is Matrix so squeaky-clean? Can anyone say Babenet?