Bowling For Columbine
 

the cartoon was fucking funny!!

has anyone else seen this film yet?


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9.5/10
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yea crazy flick

Yes, it's great. A must see for CNN blinded Americans.

bang bang

watched it last night! you should also check out "roger & me" by michael moore, it came out in dvd the same day as bowling for columbine. great flicks!

Terrible film. MM is a fat bumbling idiot. He might have actually achieved something if he wasn't so blindly bias.

Canadians don't like their doors? HAHAHA. What a load of bull. How many of you canadians on this board don't lock your doors?

Classic media bias.

So its like unbelievable to you? That's what he was getting at, American's cant even imagine to leave a door unlocked, because of obvious reasons.

hmm..

what he shows of canadians and their doors being unlocked is in a small comunity... if you go into more populated areas like downtown or whatever .. ofcourse people lock their doors.

except as an example on how it works...:

when a burglar comes into a canadian home he carrys a knife or something. but most of the time nothing.
but in the USA all the robbers know people have guns in their houses. so then when a burglar comes in he will probbly shoot you first because he expects you have a gun

and down here in canada everyone is friendly lol :thumbsup

my:2 cents:

aren't people from the US embarrased how many people get killed with guns compared to the rest of the civilised world?

i am!

10/10
Fantastic movie.

FUCK Charlton Heston

Most are, but the people who are keeping our gun policies in place are rednecks who can't really envision a world outside of huntin and cousin screwin.

I'm embarrased I paid to see that bastard's propaganda. I'm embarrased that my fellow Americans bought into that commie bullshit.

commie bullshit or not..

Gun murders 1996
Great Britain 30
Canada 106
Germany 211
United States 9,390
Japan 15

don't you think there should be a 'war on gun murders' or something.. surely something can be done about that, the rest of the world seems to be able to deal with it.

oh guess most of the people who get murdered by guns are minorities, or underprivleged they probably deserved it eh

First of all, comparing raw numbers like that is just ridiculous. If they all had the same population they might mean something.

Your numbers don't show the reasons of those deaths.. Homicides vs. Suicides, etc. In Japan, people use knives to kill themselves in the US they use guns. Factors such as those will skew those numbers.

Here's a chart that shows relative Homicide comparisons:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html

Your numbers seem to imply that one is 88 times (9390 / 106) more likely to be killed in America than in Canada. In reality, Canada has 1/10 of the population that America has.. So multiply your deaths by 106 (assuming they would scale in a linear manner, which I seriously doubt) that's still 1060 deaths.

In reality the homicide rates for America and Canada per 100,000 people per year are:

United States: 5.70
Canada: 2.16

I'd like to see Canada's population grow to 272 Million without that homicide rate increasing. I have a feeling the homicide rate increases at an exaggerated rate as more and more people are crammed into cities.

The state of Alaska just repealed all anti-handgun laws. It's now legal to carry a concealed weapon (handgun) without a permit at all! Since the state is so big and people have their space, I don't think the gun related deaths will jump... In fact they might go down. However, if LA or NYC tried this, it would be a disaster.

Here's the bottom line... It's a controversial issue. It's not going to be resolved on GFY.. So it just is what it is.

This is my last post in this thread since I need to clean my gun!

That's pretty fucking funny. Watch the movie again and try to verify some of Moore's facts. Oh, yeah, and dig Charlie's crazy changing tie and shirt during some of the "speeches" he gives.

SpaceAce

i saw "shooters" and "all about the benjamins" last night, i tried for bowling for coumbine, but they were all out. i want to see it though. :(

the numbers I posted were murders.. suicides were excluded. I wasn't talking about murder rates I was talking about GUN murder rates.

So I lied... one more post..

This is the table for Internation Violent Deaths...


"'Gun death' statistics are frequently cited, in the manner above, to strongly suggest that guns are the cause behind the high violent death rate in the U.S. As in the case of the Los Angeles Times article, no mention is made that over half of those violent deaths are suicides. The CNN article mentions gun homicides and gun suicides, but fails to show us the total violent death rate of other countries, not just gun deaths. For example, in Japan, where gun ownership is rare, its total suicide rate is higher than our total suicide rate. "


http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html

Violent Deaths per 100,000 people per year:

France: 22.67
United States: 18.57
Japan: 17.34
Canada: 15.64

Michael Moore could have presented some of these arguments in his "Documentary" (used in the loosest possible form), but it wouldn't have given him a slanted enough story. He wouldn't have won any awards!!

Maybe he should do a story about Canada and Japan's extremely high suicide rates.

Again, per 100,000 people:

France: 20.79
Japan: 16.72
Canada: 13.19
United States: 12.06

Aren't the Japanese and the Canadians embarrased by their unbelievably high suicide rates? Look at the French!!

Is life that bad in those countries?

Do Canadians, Japanese and the French have mental problems?

He might be able to win an award!! Let's recommend it!

Anyone that compares the gun death "rates" without taking into account population differences is obviously trying to skew the numbers. It's the same technique Michael Moore used..

It's effective because most people are too ignorant to even notice that every country doesn't have the exact same number of people!

What a joke. We all know the Academy Awards are rigged, but that was just a shame.

Last week I was having this discussion with someone about Bowling for Columbine and I pointed out some of the glaring lies and dishonesty in the movie and I said, "That movie is <B>not</B> a documentary." The person I was talking to said, "Well, it's documentary style." My reply: "So is <B>This is Spinal Tap</B>."

SpaceAce

I reiterate the numbers I posted *exclude* suicide...

Nonetheless Michael Moore's point was in fact that the prevalence of guns is not the contributing factor. As your table shows 30% of Canadian households have a gun. He was suggesting that the media played a role with their 'if it bleeds it leads' mentality.

Japan gun murders (corrected for population): 45
United States: 9,390
UK: 112.5 (corrected)

This argument has been done to death...

I'll keep my guns... The French and Japanese can keep killing themselves off... and the Canadians can keep funding Michael Moore's biased films.

keep believing what's most convenient for you :)

I actually just finished watching this movie and enjoyed it thoroughly!

Fuck Heston and Dick Clarke!

DH

If you're going to get killed does it really matter to the victim if it's a knife, gun, baseball bat or 1,000 pounds of feathers? The result is the same, so stop trying to compare apples to oranges.

America is not the most dangerous country in the world and whatever country you live in isn't the safest.

America is a great country and if it wasn't we would have so many people trying to immigrate into the country.

I will believe what's logical and reasonable. YOU are the one citing convenient facts.

I have to the cartoon was very funny, do you really get given a gun when you open a bank account in America?

Sometimes you get a toaster.

SpaceAce

I've opened several bank accounts and not once have I been offered a free gun!

where is your reason? even if you adjusted Canada's population there are 10x more gun murders in the United States.

All I have argued is that there are much more "gun murders" in the US than the rest of the civilised world. Do you actually dispute this?

your arguement has been consisted of...

your statistics include suicide : no they don't

USA is a big country : so is japan, UK and germany aren't so small either

you haven't adjusted for population: stats still not looking much better..

Calm down dude :winkwink:

Every now and then there is a thread on GFY about the US and their guns, it still seems to be bothering a lot of people.

Be sure to check out where New Zealand comes in on the Violent Death Chart.

Looks like you guys have a bit of a Suicide problem as well.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html

i couldnt agree more. the more guns the marrier, maybe people will learn to mind thier own business better when they fear for thier lifes a bit more.

It bothers me when people use Michael Moore's Apples to Oranges comparisons to try to paint the US badly. People get out of an hour and a half of Michael Moore propaganda and suddenly they're experts on gun control?

Let's talk about:

Estonia
Hungary
Slovenia
Finland
Brazil
Denmark
Austria
Switzerland
France
Mexico
Belgium
Portugal

Why all the focus on the US? Because that's the way Michael Moore spun it.

sure there is a suicide problem in New Zealand. Perhaps if we had more guns we could solve the problem :)

Want me to FedEx one to you? :) I'll open a new bank account tomorrow and send it to you... I'll probably get an Uzi since this is my 10th account at this bank!

Ok, Let's talk about:

Estonia: What? Where?
Hungary: Cheap models mmmmm?
Slovenia: See Hungary?
Finland: Most people online?
Brazil: Beachfootbal"?
Denmark: Beastiality?
Austria: Redshoe?
Switzerland: nice skying areas?
France: To selfish?
Mexico: Tequila?
Belgium: Hahahahaha
Portugal: Euro 2006 soccer?

Well uhhhh whatever :thumbsup