GREAT FILM! It's true !

haha sweet send me a few and I'll get the murder rate up first so you guys don't look so bad.

The most disturbing thing about this film is people like myself and my girlfriend who have never been to america now think you all 'Pack' guns 24/7

Another thing which we were unable to understand were the members of the gun club who were kitted out better than some armies and walking around the country side like they were at war?

Something else which shocked us was how they went into a store and purchased like 3 bags of bullets not differently to me buying fruit.

So can anyone well tell me if K Mart did stop selling bullets as a result of the movie?

I'll send you a few Psychology books as well so you can get that suicide rate down below the US so you have some room to talk. ;)

K Mart is pretty much out of business.. Not because of the movie, but because of their shitty products and shitty image.

All the people here that loved the "documentary" should really go and read http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Very informative and EVERYTHING stated is linked to facts from all over the web.

That's what Michael Moore wanted you to think, so it must be true. ;)

I've lived in the US my whole life and I've never been shot... I got into a few gun fights when I was younger but luckily I got out unscathed.

Last time I went to the dentist I was given a 9mm pistol with my cleaning.

Yo Nate!

Ignorance is bliss so I'm sure my kiwi friend won't be interested in reading that! ;)

KC, don't scare him even more! ;)

LOL, don't you remember when we got into the grenade throwing battle in Orlando, FL?

We went out to eat with Bill, Greg, Daniel! It was close, good thing we didn't step on any land mines on the way out. :)

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oi you.... wheres you're sunshine band?

I've already read it and what has it go to do with anything..
Sure that movie is propaganda just like the website all KC's facts come from..

The only thing I learned from that movie is that it isn't the number of guns in a country that lead to the number of gun murders.

Michael Moore's hypothesis was that it was that the media played a role. I don't know if that's true but wouldn't surprise me.

I shot them with the missle launcher my doctor gave me during my last checkup.

mikeyboy moore is just another one of our obese american citizens who will no doubt die of congestive heart failure due to the four spare tires he carries with him everywhere around his gut.

its a shame the fucker won that award for this film because quite frankly i wouldnt piss on the guy if he were on fire.. thats how much i dislike the dood.

I WOULD piss on him if he were on fire... I'd just stop before I completely put out the flames.

fair play to you then - they only held you back anyway imho :thumbsup

now down to business, whats this traffic juicer all about then? looks interesting but i wanna know how i control what traffic i filter coz for instance, japanese and chinese traffic i would like to keep am i able to say i only want to filter county1, country2, country3 etc and say i want to keep country4, country5, country6 et al?

I wish we could vote US Citizens out of this country.

its funny how people will accept the most blatently flawed and slanted arguments as long as it is consistent with their views and opinions. if you don't like americans, that's fine. but using Michael Moore to make a point is not helping your argument any. he is targeting people just like you.. profiting from people just like you, manipulating people just like you and getting obscenely rich from people just like you.

kinda ironic when you think about it.

Oh god! How could I forget?!?

Yeah, we can do any custom filtering profile you want. You just need to email us to get it setup.

In fact, we're beta testing a new feature right now that you'd probably like. Several people are making a couple extra grand a month with it without even touching their existing links or pulling any of their traffic from existing sponsors. :)

kc at paycounter.com

sweet thanks dude ill drop you an email sometime tomorrow probably :thumbsup

what is the argument? try reading the thread first, I know it's long and boring.

I haven't made a single argument. I have just stated a single fact, a lot more people in the United States (when adjusted for population) get murdered by guns. Do you dispute this? yes or no?

I find it ironic that he blames the media for using fear to sell their stories and generate interest, but he's not guilty of doing the same thing.

Has anybody read his book?

http://www.competition-transport.com/moore.jpg

Please stop using this argument. Im sure people in south america and cuba would love to go the USA, but if you ask people who live in scandinavia, spain, england, france, germany or any other country with good living standards they arent very interested in moving to the US.

Southern europe has a huge problem with illegal immigrants from africa, these people dont give a shit if the go to the USA or Spain. They just want to get a better life, and to think that because a bunch of poor mexicans wants to immigrate to the US you somehow live in this amazing nation that is better than everywhere else is silly.

I dont really understand why you want a gun so bad in the first place. Its gotta suck to go threw life worrying about what could happend all the time.

Compared to the countries you cited, yes. Does it have the highest number of gun related deaths (adjusted)? No.

Some one tell this is just a wind up?

No, we do not dispute this, but what the heck does it matter if they are killed by GUN or KNIFE??!

To be honest, IF I had to choose the way I am killed, I'll take a gun shot in my head over a knif stabbing or the like any time!

It has to do with this bogus perception of the United States as a nation full of gunslinging yahoos. We've got people right here in this thread saying the movie paints the USA that way and that the movie affected their view of the US.

Now you're just making shit up. The website KC cites gives links and references to its information sources, many of which are official agencies from each country. The website also states that the USA has a high incidence of violent death. If the site is all about propoganda it would never admit something like that. Throughout the site, information is laid out in orderly, understandable columns with only the occasional brief paragraph trying to explain unflattering numbers. Where the site is referencing suicdes, it makes that clear. Where the site is referencing only murders, it makes that clear. Where the site is referencing total numbers of any kind of murder or death, it makes that clear.

Clarity is a lot more than can be said about Bowling for Columbine.

Michael Moore is the media. He spliced together a mass of half-truths, propoganda and borderline lies, passed it off as a documentary (which it is not) and helped create a wild shitstorm of publicity and hype around it. He continues to whore himself out to the media as fast as humanly possible with TV and radio interviews and public appearances. Michael Moore is just another hypocritical media puppet slut who will do whatever it takes to advance his private agenda and the balance in his checking account. There is no substance to Michael Moore, there is only glossy hype. Shiny shit is still shit.

SpaceAce

The media is a tool and he knows how to use it obviously.

reminds me of a rock star with a number 1 hit
"you are all a bunch of fucking idiots"

sorry SpaceAce you obviously don't know propaganda when it's looking straight at you. Just because a site gives references doesn't make it credible.

Yes, that must be it. I don't know propoganda when I see it. It must be that new double-secret reverse psychology propoganda where they say "The USA has high violent deaths" in order to make the USA seem safer. Very clever, worthy of Goebbels.

SpaceAce

Actually compared to those countries the US does have a higher number of gun related deaths (since you've decided now to include suicide, which i never meant to)..

Do you want to provide evidence to the contrary?

Interesting choice of countries you have there:

Some Scandinavian Countries have HIGHER violent death rates than the US!!!

Finland: 30.72
Denmark: 23.46
United States: 18.57

Look at the suicide rates of some of the other countries you mentioned:

France: 20.79
Sweden: 15.75
Germany: 15.64
United States: 12.06

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!!

England and Spain both rank well on the same scale:

Overall Violent death rates:
England: 9.53
Spain: 8.97

And their Suicide rates are around 7.5

Again, all of those figures are deaths per 100,000 people per year.. and were taken from http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html

oh so now it's violent death not gun death..

but to quote your own website on gun deaths.

http://www.guncite.com/cnngunde.html


All I'm saying is the US has too many gun deaths, and I think that is the main point of Michael Moore's movie. Too many people in your country die from guns. Just admit it :)

Sure...

Firearm Homicides:

Brazil: 10.58
Estonia: 8.07
Mexico: 9.88
N. Ireland: 5.24
United States: 3.72

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html

I agree! Let's tell all the violent criminals to put down their guns and use knives and baseball bats instead. The numbers will stay the same, the weapon will change.

What's the difference? At least with guns the victim is put out of his misery quickly!