Looking for Someone to Partner Up With for Free Site / Tube Project
 

Happy 4th Of July Everyone!

I?ve been going through the emails I?ve received from webmasters looking for feedback and help on their sites. Most people are stuck trying to make old designs and old ideas work. To be honest I am blown away at how few people are actually trying to do something new or something that surfers would actually want.

It got me thinking there is far more opportunity out there than people think. I have a lot of ideas for free site/tubes that I think could work. The thing is, right now, I?m not looking to build them up myself and I don?t want to hire a team to do that. Instead I?d rather partner up with someone who has the skill set and hunger to make it work.

If you have the ability to design/develop and run a site and would like to build and run one together let me know. Drop me an email at AskShap at Gmail. If you know someone that may fit the bill for this pass this along to them :)

If I do decide to do this I?ll keep a detailed log of stats and progress and share it with everyone.

One disclaimer... It never hurts to ask but just know I'm looking for someone talented and hungry. Please be sure you have both before you email.

If you are reading this post a little Hi to bump this for me :) Thanks!

Right on :thumbsup

Finally read my email about my tube idea eh, the one you never answered? :)

Either it's Industry-friendly or it's just another tube, regardless of design. Best of luck!

PS: Actually some tubes, like Porndoe, TNAFlix, Pornhub and a few others, are heading in the right direction in terms of better advertising the content provider's website. I don't know how you feel about the whole "channels" thing but I am mixed on the subject.

I wish I was in a better space ATM - I would jump ALL OVER this...

Good luck.....

I never look at things as industry friendly or typical tube. Instead in any business you have to consider what sets you up for the best potential to succeed moving forward. There are no friends in business. If any of you could find a time machine and go back in time you'd all start a tube and try to do exactly what xhamster, youjizz and youporn did. I know if you gave me a time machine i'd do that in a heartbeat for SexTube.

Open to discuss that channels debate with you. What has you mixed on it?

Glad to see you wanting to get back in the game on some level!

Well, on the one hand, having Channels helps focus your uploads and target your marketing a bit better via the Tubes. But the 'downside' (an 'upside' from the Tubes' perspective) is surfers stay on the Tube rather than go to the paysite. In fact, with some Channels, they are made to look like mini-versions of your paysite.

So basically I would prefer not to have them BUT it's the Tubes' traffic so I work within whatever system they have setup.

And what I meant by 'Industry-friendly" is that whatever new tube that comes out should do their best to split revenue with the content provider so that content producers will willingly support the project rather than spend the time DMCA-ing everything. And I am not talking about just banners or text links. LOL

will rip twistys and upload for site.. pm with offer

i know a couple people. what are you offering on your end?

4 days and you are out of money, dogg? :1orglaugh
You don't know any people. :1orglaugh

He knows a few people, in the government housing complex he lives in.

Interesting. I've never considered channels that way. I can see your point. I understand a content owner's views on that. On the flip side if a paysite can't compete with a channel on a tube it doesn't really deserve to be a paysite. It's a free market and you have to be able to offer a product that stands on its own and is worth paying for imo.

Interesting concept. There are a few road blocks to it.
#1 There are a few categories of content producers. Those who give everything to tubes, those that give nothing to tubes, and those in the middle. The tubes already have the first two groups' content. The problem with trying to address the group that won't give their content is there is no pleasing them. There is nothing you can reasonably do that would make them happy to get on board.

#2 If you are going to share revenue what do you share it based on? Referred sales? ad Sales? Who gets what share? Views? Percentage of video viewed? Comments? Votes? Rating? Clicks sent out? etc.

All of it. Everything. ANY revenue the tube gets they split with the people who are making that revenue possible: the content providers.

So: ad sales, cam sales, traffic sales, Premium Memberships, etc etc. ALL of it. With total Industry support you would get those who do not play on tubes and those who do will love you even more. :)

I disagree. Those who do not play on tubes would not join this type of tube or any tube. They are not staying away from tubes for the $$$ they are staying away for other reasons.

Back to my question how do you split up the revenue?

#1 The tube needs to make money. So what would be determined as too little to split and share?

#2 how do you split who gets what? What determines how much each content provider is paid?

Shap: Off-topic, but personally, I'd love to see you try and re-acquire Twistys / TwistysCash.

If you ever start another proper "babes" site, let me know. I'll be happy to jump in on that.

Good luck!

Tried multiple times. :disgust

Yeah, I know. It's a shame.

ETA: interesting though that they won't part with it because, to me personally, it doesn't seem like it's a real priority in their portfolio (the harder core portfolio sites seem to be higher priority, though that could be my own perception).

i'm constantly hungry but first have to sort things on my plate though.

this could be a cool and interesting project!

It would require some impressive coding I do admit. But perhaps revenue could be calculated via page views/video plays/CTR (or some combo). Here is the problem:

Video gets 500k views on Tube.
Video gets 3% CTR (which is above average) so 15k to the paysite.
Tube gets to monetize 485,000 people in multiple ways while the paysite gets to monetize 15,000 people in one way only (signups).

Who wins in this scenario? The Tube, of course.

So unless you get either the visitors or the revenue closer to 50% most paysites will view tubes as just another affiliate. And, as most Program Owners now know, we are already seeing diminishing returns with the tubes. I am sure the tubes themselves are seeing a decline in traffic and revenue. So time to partner up as equally as possible.

so guessing just expert coaching

my buddy is looking for a partner with his new tube site WrekTube.com

wrektubeofficial is his skype

Let's be honest, in the 5 years since I've sold paysites haven't changed. Do you think that will work another 5 years? No way. Building a tube to accommodate paysites would be a mistake. Paysites are going to have to evolve and become something completely different. The clock is ticking on the current business model.

He is not buying sigs. You disappoint, son?

Paysites do not need to change. They are content providers, nothng more. Without paysites who will create the content? The tubes themselves? Think of it this way:

Each tube site is like a cable channel. The "big guys" are already set (Pornhub, XVideos, XHamster, etc). They are like ESPN, CNN, etc. But where do those 'cable channels' (tubes) GET their programming (content)? From tv and movie studios (paysites). Content is king, right?

So paysites need not change but they DO need to survive by shooting new content. If a tube does not help its' partners stay in business everything goes down the toilet. Unless you want to go back to the good ol' "user upload" days.

But Tubes are already making their own content.. They can do that because now they have the money. Shap is right... In 5 years paysites will be gone. :2 cents:

I'm surprised you are targeting adult. The only real way of making a great deal of money in adult is by screwing someone else over, either directly or indirectly.

None of the top money makers are really legit. It may be legal but it's, in most adult business models, unethical. It is no longer about offering smut to someone that want's it and wiping your hands clean of any wrong doing. It's about "the game", and that really is it.

Shit, I have a business plan that i've targeted the audience, crunched some numbers, and 1/3 of the idea I believe an accurate number of expected audience would generate 260K/month in billing. Totally legit and something you would write home to mom about.

But I don't really need a partner for it. It could help initially if the partner really, really knew how to market it.

The other 2/3 of the idea I peg at equally the same billing, close to 1 million per month in billing and very low, I mean low, overhead.

I will make you a bet that paysites will be around 20 years from now. Why? Because, in business, you need something to SELL. The tubes may partner with paysites (as some are doing now) but that is not the same as becoming or eliminating the content producers altogether (paysites).

Again, think cable tv. Sure, Fox produces its' own programming but also licenses it from other studios. But they do not 'buy out' and merge the studios or production companies. There are far too many of them. Tubes would have to buy out (or begin producing) thousands of niche paysites. Will never happen.

Finally somebody who got it right....:thumbsup You cannot sustain any business which just recycles the same shit ( stolen or created) . Since the beginning content was, is and will be a King... All the other stuff is just Herbalife (or Amway) of porn...:2 cents:

Paysites started in 1997/1998. From then until now there have been very little changes to the overall model. Pay $19 to $35 a month for access to porn. It was like that in 1997 it's like that in 2016. You get videos and photos for that. Little else. Again nothing much has changed.

Now let's look at every online business. They've all MASSIVELY changed in the past 20 years. In fact most have MASSIVELY changed in the past 2 to 5 years. Paysites can not continue as they are. They must change.

What will happen to paysites operating exactly as they always have is going to be a gradual decline. For some it will be rapid and for others it will be slow. But the decline will happen.

That i am 100% sure of. There is no magical comeback for the current version of what a "paysite" is.

I think there is potential for a new generation of paysite to evolve and come out from this. The reality is more people than ever before are consuming porn. Someone has to create and produce that porn and they have to be paid for the work. How to make it all work is the magic question.

Charging $34.99 a month for 5 updates a week is not the future of porn. That is the past. Now what is the future???

Fair point. But equally I can say the same about paysites. They are the same shit today as they were 10 and 20 years ago. My point is they need to step it up and evolve into something new.

I'm not happy to say that but it's just reality. It's like Taxi drivers hoping for uber to disappear. Even if uber disappears they've changed the way we travel and taxi drivers lives will never be the way they were. Everything moves forward not backwards. Except England :disgust:disgust

Feel free to hit me up if you'd like to discuss. Happy to give you my thoughts on it.

Robert and Shap would make a heck of a team :thumbsup

Cams. Performers have taken the means of production into their own hands. As you say, paying for videos and photosets is old hat, however, cam performers are knocking them out from their profile pages, so there's clearly a need.

It would seem the key to the future is personalised, interactive porn. At the moment, cams offer this. You can find pretty much everything else on one of the big tube sites, or the million other "great new idea" generic tube sites which are churned out every day.

However, I don't think it'll be too long before the performers don't want to be beholden to cam companies either. I'm working on something at the moment, but it's early days.

BTW what money and resources are you offering, on a broad scale of course?

Shap's much smarter than me. And I'm too stubborn :)

That said, I think the team of Shap, mphalca and Kevin could do some unbelievable things together.

Shap, I'd like to toss an idea your way to consider.