PornNerd you bring up good points and i think this is a bigger discussion. So I created this thread.
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...ate-ideas.html

I doubt that you are.

Porn is the same as it was 20 or even 30 years ago. Ever since VCRs came out. Scenes of a sexual nature people can jerk off to. The difference online made was a month's membership instead of a DVD. For $30 a buyer could get 4-6 scenes on a DVD. Online he got 20 to 1,000s of scenes. Many sites allowed members to download 1,000s in a month.

No matter what happens nothing is going to change membership sites while they stick to recorded porn. There's nowhere to go.

Webcams studios skim so much money from the models that most are now going freelance, unless unable to chat with surfers. These sites are so bad they find it hard to convert traffic. And the idea of someone with a lot of money texting via a person translating is far fetched. A person with money can now chat live with a girl one-one. The girl doesn't need affiliates, studios, webcam sites etc.

Is there an opening for something else? A Big Brother type location where surfers can see girls, the girls can talk to the camera like the participants do on BB and go into private chat?

The key is making sure the girls earn more on that site than they would be working for themselves. So no big affiliate programs paying out 30% of what she earns. Not that getting traffic would be hard. The site could sell memberships for a hi-res version.

It will cost some money and has to run 24/7. The problem is making the product good enough to get people to stay and watch it.

The problem with so many here is they have nothing to suggest and shoot down those who try to find alternatives.

Whatever happens the paysite model and studio cams are a dying model. They will decline like the DVD has.

For me personally GFY isn't the place to discuss those specifics publicly.

I talk with other content producers that own sites privately, in person, via chat or on the phone about what we're doing, where things are headed and what patterns/trends we're seeing, etc. Often times the sites you see aren't the only way we make money with our content online.

There are a couple exciting things happening and lots we do to stay in business, grow, and groom the younger generation to keep paying. We are still in business because we communicate & opperate in this manner.

I'm retired and no need to get back to working. So if anyone with the money thinks they can do it, let them.

as for things happening undercover, heard that a lot. Very rarely seen anything inovative. After all, it's just porn scenes in different wrapping paper.

I totally agree and I give input here a lot and want people to learn & be successful.

Times have changed Paul. I am talking about quality traffic here. High CTR. I have been in the traffic realm for over 10 years. Viral successful sites don't need many ads. They can get away with the ad income. Like efukt for example. One post makes the owner a couple grand from sales depending on the sponsor. Talk about amazing viral traffic/bookmarkers. Buying quality traffic has tripled because site owners know how hard it is to come by.

Put it this way, I can count on one hand how many tubes have enough traffic that is worth submitting too. I have tested it all. The rest is trash. Thats not alarming to you? SALES are pretty much dead for most because unless you bought out the competition like mindgeek did, you need to hope and pray your content is something no ones seen or your marketing is stellar. This does NOT include SEO. SEO we know is gold but impossible to rely on. Plenty of good content out there BUT only works if you have the organic traffic.

Quality traffic is very hard to come by now a days that is not organic/seo. You can get crap traffic from brokers all day long but it wont grow your site in any way. No idea why people use brokers unless they are buying to make money with ads/webcams/dating only. What is the point of growing your sites traffic with no income coming in and hoping you make sales? I have plenty friends who tried to rely only on sales for 1 year and they came to reality that they cant make any money that way anymore. These guys have over 200k uniques a day and growing.

Its just different practices. I don't have any problem with clicking on a popunder to close it. The problems I have are the loud obnoxious ads of chicks moaning loud or ads that I cant seem to close once I hit Exit. My point is, everyones practices are different but quality traffic is STILL king and there is not much of it unless your site has viral success.

Shap - sent you an email.


Porn Nerd and Jimmycooper - you guys both have valid and reasonable points so no need to let the counterpoints rub any body the wrong way.

Quality traffic!!!!

There's no such thing. If you throw Quality Traffic at shit, it will become shit traffic. If you throw shit traffic at Quality products it will become Quality traffic.

That's a broad statement, think of it like this. Surfers have to have bought a device to surf on, so they spend money. The problem is getting them to spend on the product you want to offer them. In the porn world consumers had to buy, now they are better off not buying and whatever we do it's moving more and more to the free options.

Tubes have to have traffic that buys to survive. Even at $3 per 1,000 someone has to buy, they just don't buy what you offer. The problem is they are not buying because in their opinion it's a shit product being offered.

The problem is simple. We sell a product that's required for 20 minutes, then it's put away in a draw, or the page is closed, and the user goes back to what they're doing. The exceptions are very small. Even with webcams how many men stay on their for hours jerking off? The "whales" want relationships not a jerk off.

Build a site that's good enough and it will convert that bad traffic you complain about from Tubes. Others have done it. Pornhub, Xhamster and the like cost money to run. They are KINGS in the business because they have turned Quality Traffic into shit traffic by replacing the need to buy.

Where once 9 out of 10 porn consumers bought porn, we now have 1 out of 35,000 buying porn. Because a jerk off is now a free product. And "Quality Traffic" is only created by having something they want to buy. Which is why everyone pinned their future on HD, then 3D and now VR. Same product just praying to big to give away for free.

Agreed! :thumbsup

Hope you eventuallllllllyyyyyyyyyyyy find your unicorn.

I have the content when you are ready!!!

So the other person does all the heavy lifting with all the consequences and responsibilities, and you bring to the table, what?

a "great tube" idea?

How's that worked out for you? Found many takers yet?

This thread started with "Happy 4th of July" greetings from Shap...Maybe Shap...you can end it with " Happy Thanksgiving" ( OK then ,Merry Christmas ;)) obviously NONE of the "tube recyclers", the dating champs with 1 woman for every 1000 men pretending to be women, the VR gurus with all the lights,cables and other various gack in the 9mm lens distorted pictures, the camgirls where most of them cannot be called girls and largely skipping the Viagra and other meds, gambling and the diaper pushers ( hmmmm did I miss anybody??)

Th punchline from me ( and only very few others in this thread) is the same.... " the insane have taken over the porn asylum"....:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Shap maybe its time for you to hit... a beach, casino, a golf course or a classy whorehouse in Prague instead of making sense around here...:thumbsup
...and good luck:2 cents:

So you agree with Shap saying this. And not when I say it. Are you a bro bum kisser?

The future isn't paysites selling paint by numbers porn. The scenes that are just ticking all the boxes of fucking.

Unless a site can introduce the element of personality or the performers it will lose to the 1,000s of other scenes that are no different. Even Gonzo/Reality isn't good enough.

Sites have to work hard at making the consumer fall in love with the actress. Like the new wave of Camgirls who work independently. The consumer wants her and no one else. And she has to be paid for the work she does at a level that she can earn working for herself. Manyvids.com shows how it can be done.

Haha sure am, you ever met Shap?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ReC7bsi9ES4/maxresdefault.jpg

So it's 2017 (almost) and still my tube idea would be accepted industry-wide and might even be a success for all parties involved. But Shap will not invest money in anything so this tells us how serious he is (and isn't) to new ideas and taking action.